edyvw
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I was referring on this category, not double door refrigerators.
An if you think your average Camry has superior comfort or build quality, you need to get out more.
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An if you think your average Camry has superior comfort or build quality, you need to get out more.
or you have room for 10 vehicles
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It has superior reliability for sure. Build quality is a great thing but it has little to do with reliability.
A Jag steaming on the side of the road has amazing build quality.
Same for track performance. Little do I care that the IS has a heavier nose on track when it gets me home reliably after.
I am a huge fan of maintaining and having fun with an older German at home with an equipped garage, I find it unbeatable fun wise and it's not even expensive when you do it yourself, but this is an extremely narrow fringe and an acquired taste.
And it requires an infrastructure that not everyone has.
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Your post goes along: "I am thinking of buying a Porsche 911." Then, eventually, someone comes and says, "Have you thought about the Honda Accord? Fun, and CVT is not bad at all."
When you put obsolete technology in the vehicle, it is going to be reliable. It won't have anything close to superior comfort, particularly in those mentioned vehicles; seats are junk, and suspension is a bit more sophisticated than Yugo. But it is reliable. That does not have anything to do with the cars mentioned here. The real problem with TLX is that it is based on a car like that, an Accord.
IS was never that popular bcs. It wanted to be something, but they made it for typical Lexus fans. The track part is important, bcs. there is nothing more annoying than RWD car with heavy front trying to push in the mountains and the road is a little wet. I am giving you an observation on why the vehicle cannot compete with the vehicles it wants to compete with.
I rent Camry’s, new ones, all the time. You might argue that it’s boring, and if you lift the hood, the 0w8 oil might give you pause, but the car is perfectly comfortable. Build quality? Looks good to me on the new ones, and of course to the zillions of people driving these cars well past 200,000 miles. I mostly buy and drive Euro (German) brands, and I resisted embracing Toyotas as I felt they were appliances and a little uninspiring, but getting older, I have come to realize that they are darn good cars.
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OK. Take into consideration that current seats Toyota uses in Camry/Sienna/HL/GHL are almost 2" shorter than my Tiguan, and 4" shorter than in my BMW with extension out.
I have Sequoia with those padded seats etc. I will take my 3 series any time on a road trip over that car, bcs. comfort. The only reason I have such a car as a Sequoia is size, and off roading. And that does well. Comfort? Not even close. And we are talking Sequoia, not Camry.
BMW 3 Series cars have great seats. I am not the tallest person in the world, but have had no issues with Toyota seats. I love VW’s, but let’s get real, a Tiguan with its exquisite seats will leave you at the side of the road LONG before a Camry will.
I don’t know, Toyota fanboys seem to live in a reality of their own.
edyvw
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That is news for my 2011 Tiguan.
In 2022, when Southwest had that Xmas meltdown, I took Tiguan on a 3000-mile road trip: Colorado Springs-Las Vegas-San Diego-LA-Las Vegas-Colorado Springs. We also have Pilot, but Tiguan is like 1000X more comfortable for a driver. The choice was: Tiguan or Pilot, that I have urge to burn down after driving it 2+hrs.
Went there, with 16 cu ft Yakima, two kids in the back, and I know this might come as news for Toyota people, did not leave me stranded.
On a serious note, people who talk about Camry and not being stranded are people who need to feel better about their choices. And we do 5000+ miles road trips. Take into consideration that my BMW sees 2X a week ski runs (I never spend night there). Goes through the worst blizzards, the coldest region in the lower 48, and does that every winter like a champ. The only thing this spring I had to do was change the battery. 14-year-old one was kind of getting long in the teeth. And surprise, never left me on the side. then takes kids to school, me to work, and does track.
I’ve never owned one, but is anyone challenging the assertion?
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A bit rich given the general direction of the conversation
Because it’s a silly one. You don’t need to own the thing to have a skewed view of it.
Not rich at all, because it’s always inevitable that someone will bring up either a Camry or a Corolla to the discussion about something that’s totally different, like this one about sporty sedans.A bit rich given the general direction of the conversation
But the Toyota fanboys just cannot help themselves.
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The balls on you guys
Toyota was piped into the discussion the second Germans were added to the discussion and the TLX was accused of being a wannabee, along with Lexus. From there, it went on a preset Deutschland Deutschland uber alles, with how subpar everybody else is.
Toyota has much, much more of a pertinent presence in this thread than German cars have, because Lexus was mentioned, and lexus is toyota. And the "Acura tried to copy the Germans and failed" has just the same weight as "Acura tried to copy Lexus and failed". Because that one is much more of a thing. This is what the TLX failed at. It wasn't able to beat the Lexus ES, not some very, very different German.
Yet no one has mentioned anything about German fanboyism because we're having a nice light fun conversation. So let's keep it at that, because if we have to start nitpicking about fanboyism in this thread the scales might not go in the direction you'd expect.
Toyota was piped into the discussion the second Germans were added to the discussion and the TLX was accused of being a wannabee, along with Lexus. From there, it went on a preset Deutschland Deutschland uber alles, with how subpar everybody else is.
Toyota has much, much more of a pertinent presence in this thread than German cars have, because Lexus was mentioned, and lexus is toyota. And the "Acura tried to copy the Germans and failed" has just the same weight as "Acura tried to copy Lexus and failed". Because that one is much more of a thing. This is what the TLX failed at. It wasn't able to beat the Lexus ES, not some very, very different German.
Yet no one has mentioned anything about German fanboyism because we're having a nice light fun conversation. So let's keep it at that, because if we have to start nitpicking about fanboyism in this thread the scales might not go in the direction you'd expect.
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And where does a Camry and its ability to not leave you stranded on the side of a road fit in?The balls on you guys
Toyota was piped into the discussion the second Germans were added to the discussion and the TLX was accused of being a wannabee, along with Lexus. From there, it went on a preset Deutschland Deutschland uber alles, with how subpar everybody else is.
Toyota has much, much more of a pertinent presence in this thread than German cars have, because Lexus was mentioned, and lexus is toyota. And the "Acura tried to copy the Germans and failed" has just the same weight as "Acura tried to copy Lexus and failed". Because that one is much more of a thing. This is what the TLX failed at. It wasn't able to beat the Lexus ES, not some very, very different German.
Yet no one has mentioned anything about German fanboyism because we're having a nice light fun conversation. So let's keep it at that, because if we have to start nitpicking about fanboyism in this thread the scales might not go in the direction you'd expect.
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You obviously don't know history of TL/TLX or IS.
Both cars, with Infiniti G35, were attempting to get into the market where there was only one absolute ruler, the BMW 3 series. Lexus was trying to replicate it so much that their first IS was leaking from valve cover gaskets in the same manner as 3 series if not worse than that.
TLX is not attempting to go after ES. ES is a barge. ES is Camry/Avalon, but one that will put you to sleep faster. TL/TLX were attempting to go into the sports sedan market, one where Germans are ruling. But, TL/TLX was too much of a compromise. That is why they failed. People who buy vehicles like that don't want car that goes from point A to point B and once you come home you forgot you have been somewhere. They want a car that is fun all the time. They want a car that, when you go to work, you actually look forward to that trip! That is the point of this segment we are talking about. I personally don't want to drive my Sequoia every day. It is a 6,000lbs dynamically challenged barge. It is a nuisance to drive it. I want to have fun in my 10 mile one way commute. Why do I have to spend those 10 miles in something that you look forward to parking and leaving behind? That is me, and generally, those are people going after cars in this segment.
And TL/TLX are failures. They are heavy, they are dynamically challenged. Why? Bcs. Honda did not want to commit resources. Not bcs. Honda cannot develop something fun. They are capable of doing it. But bcs. they just don't care about this segment. They have parts on the shelf; let's assemble something that might get us some customers. That is why TLX is 350lbs heavier than M340 xDrive, and has less power. That is why it is horribly balanced, bcs. it is glorified Accord. That is why people who want to buy car in this segment went elsewhere. Why doesn't BMW have problems selling the 3 Series? or 2 series? Their sedans are still half a sale of SUVs in the SUV craze market. And their sedans are getting a lot of hate from BMW enthusiasts. Something Lexus could exploit, but it did not. Simply, there is no devotion by companies to go there. And IS is still IMO well positioned to be something different, it just needs bit more attention. These cars are far different from the Camry that was mentioned here. This is not point A to point B audience. They actually pay attention what they drive and where they drive it.
Truth be told, I always kind of figured it was some sort of automated forum bot that recommends the Camry or Corolla in every recommendation thread.
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The second it was commented that the model that the thread is about was criticized as being based on an Accord. From the very beginning, to be honest. The thread is about the TLX. Camrys became fair game when accords were mentioned. Reliability became fair game the second "quality" was used as a blanket concept also encompassing reliability.
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Yup, a world of their own for sure.
The Accord was brought up because it’s true that the TL/TLX is based on it. It’s part of why it didn’t sell all that well, especially once they killed the TL and introduced the TLX.
Are you just doing a word scan of how many times a model was mentioned or something, hence you lack context?
Yup, a world of their own for sure.
The Accord was brought up because it’s true that the TL/TLX is based on it. It’s part of why it didn’t sell all that well, especially once they killed the TL and introduced the TLX.
Are you just doing a word scan of how many times a model was mentioned or something, hence you lack context?
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