Abused Kohler

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I have a very abused Kohler Commander engine, its run whatever oil has been available to it, from M1 to Castrol GTX to Redline to power steering fluid.

My customer wanted me to without taking the engine apart flush the engine out because of its history, what engine flush would you feel is safe to use on this kind of engine? I was thinking seafoam, or Amsoil engine flush.

Thoughts!
 
Amsoil makes a new solvent free flush that would probably work well.
Although I stay away from solvents in the crankcase and would personally stick to a couple very short OCI's, if I had to run a flush I would run one by Amsoil.
 
kerosene for 5 mins at ~2000rpm, maybe a little bit of clean synthetic mixed in.

If anything bad was in there, it wont be anymore...

maybe a 50/50 mix would be good?
 
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Originally Posted By: Defiance665
kerosene for 5 mins at ~2000rpm, maybe a little bit of clean synthetic mixed in.

If anything bad was in there, it wont be anymore...

maybe a 50/50 mix would be good?



With all due respect, loading kerosene into the crankcase of a worn, dirty engine - or any engine for that matter, does not seem like a great idea. How about A LITTLE seafoam and a short oci...
 
Originally Posted By: 55
lol, power steering fluid

You could probably run it on extra virgin olive oil, and not only would it run fine, it would smell good too! Personally, though, I'll stick with a good motor oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Vspec
I have a very abused Kohler Commander engine, its run whatever oil has been available to it, from M1 to Castrol GTX to Redline to power steering fluid.


As long as it had oil in it at an adequate level and cleanliness it's not necessarily abused. The Command series has filtration and low oil shut-down (not sure if it's level or pressure though) You can pull a valve cover in all of 2min to inspect. Worst case I'd do 2-3 short cycle oil changes with any inexpensive motor oil on hand.

Joel
 
I do not think you need any harsh cleaners or anything really. Unless you have more issues than you posted, just do a few short OCI and dont worry about it. My neighbor just informed me a few weeks ago that his tractors oil was changed for the first time since it was new.....12 years ago. Honestly i dont think you need any cleaning materials just use good oil and do a few quick changes of 10 or 20 hours. I would prefer the slow cleaning. Good luck.
 
I've read of some guys reducing the oil fill by a few oz. and adding diesel fuel into the dirty oil. They'd run the engine until warmed up then drop the oil/diesel.

It's not such a wacky idea. Think of how many engines that have had gasoline leak into the oil and run for hundreds or thousands of miles with diluted oil. Running a 50/50 mix of oil/diesel at lower rpms until the engine is brought to operating temps would probably do more good than harm.
 
Those Kohler engines must be made of "unobtainium" Using M1 and Redline in a OPE engine and then worrying about flushing it out?

Use it, change the oil, when it is worn out, replace it. It's a no-brainer. It's not like they are going to quit making these motors or you are married to it or something. They are disposable engines, they aren't supposed to last until the sun runs out of hydrogen.

BITOCOG -- Bob is the Oil Cleanliness Obsession Guy...
 
Personally, if the oil is changed regularly, it really doesn't matter what brand of oil is used provided it covers the viscosity requirements.

These "best oil" debates are like comparing bottled water. If you're thirsty enough, you won't be reading the label now will you? You need drinking water. Doesn't matter what brand nor how much it costs. No difference with choosing oil in most home owner applications.

We all develop our preferences. Those with mechanical experience who do a fair amount of work on machines come to the conclusion that the "best" oil is usually what can be had for the least amount of money and covers all of the bases.

I've run numerous engines for over forty years and have had only one oil related engine failure experience. It was back in 1977 when Amsoil was fairly new. I had a new 1976 Ford F100 with a 302 V8 in it. After I had put 5000 miles on it, I was persuaded by the shop mechanic to use Amsoil synthetic in the engine. Six months and 4000 miles later, the engine was making very loud tapping noises. I brought it in to the same shop and they said the problem was that the push rods had mushroomed on the ends due to the oil not providing proper lubrication. Well, as you can imagine, a rather heated discussion took place because that very mechanic had recommended the Amsoil. His reasoning for the oil failure was that the engine wasn't being brought up to high enough operating temps in the winter to cook off any condensation in the oil. The oil's ability to lubricate had been compromised because of it.

I was in my early twenties at the time with no previous experience with synthetic oil so I took his word for it. Since then, I've never used synthetic oil. I'm certain that things have changed and new synthetics are probably great oils. That is of no consequence to me. Decent quality conventional oils are great too and for a fraction of the cost. I use one litre of synthetic oil a year in my snow thrower engine. That's it.

Bottom line is:

Buy the best priced, quality brand name oil suitable for the application and change your oil as required. Don't sweat the labels.
 
If it's running fine, don't mess with internally cleaning it! Change out with PYB and it will clean up on its own. All I would do is put 2 oz of carb cleaner (Gumout, Techron, etc.) in the gas.
 
Originally Posted By: Defiance665
apparently youve never heard anyone suggest diesel as a flushing agent...


Diesel works great . For a quick flush mix it about 50/50 with some motor oil and run the engine at low to mid RPM's for aprox 20-30 min . Do this 2 times or more till it drains near clean .
 
Seafoam is an awesome product. 1 oz. in the crankcase is enough to do the work. Run this off and on for a day. Follow this up by a couple quick oil changes (1-5hrs apart). While you are at it add some to the gas also.
 
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