A Warning About Alignments

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In order to get a good wheel alignment, these items must be true:

1) Regardless of the alignment rack used, the alignment is only as good as the technician.

2) The machine must be accurate. Therefore, the alignment system must be serviced periodically by the manufacturer.

3) The proper alignment procedure should be followed, since it can vary significantly from model to model.

Earlier this week, I installed a set of Prius Plus Performance lowering springs. After installation, it was evident that an alignment was needed. So, after driving for three days and about 150 miles, I visited a Sears store to get a free alignment check. (FYI, Sears uses a new proprietary system from... service drive.)

These were the results from the Sears Alignment Check:

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As expected, the front toe was off the charts. The rear toe and camber, while not perfect, seem reasonable considering that the car is now lowered. In the future, I will need to install a EZ shim and SPC spacers to better adjust the toe, but for now it is passable.

Since I have a Firestone lifetime alignment policy, I drove across the parking lot and had Firestone perform an alignment.

Firestone only adjusted the front toe only, as requested. However, do note the huge differences in the other readings compared to the Sears alignment check results.
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First, the measured value for left-front camber is fairly similar between the two printouts. The left-rear and right-rear toe readings though, are very different. According to Firestone, I have 0.42deg of toe-in on the LR, but Sears' alignment sensors are stating that I have about 0.25deg of toe-in. This is a 0.17 deg difference between the two readings!

I am not entirely sure what happened, since the sensors were mounted properly in both cases and readings were taken in the correct manner, but the results are very different. This is not comforting at all.

Obviously I will need to have a 3rd opinion, because now I am not sure whose numbers are correct. Someone needs to get their alignment system serviced by Hunter.

As it proves time and time again, chain shops generally cater to a lower quality standard than expert alignment shops and dealerships. It typically takes me three visits to get a "passable" alignment from Firestone, which is quite inefficient. Usually they leave the steering wheel off-center, which they did again this time. Despite how cheaply their lifetime alignment plan is priced, the repeated visits are very frustrating.

Also, Firestone does not always do a zero-point calibration after an alignment, despite having the Hunter codelink tool and the WinAlign software prompting them to do it. Luckily I have the Toyota Techstream Lite software so I do not have to rely on them.

Moral of the story? Find someone competent to do your alignments, and chain shops can be a real [censored]. And if some chain shops are not already bad enough, having a questionable alignment rack only makes matters a lot worse!
 
On the sears site: "Visit a Sears Auto Center now for the free Rapid Alignment Audit". To me the word rapid in automotive world means "good enough" I may be wrong but it sounds like the alignment "checker" trades accuracy for speed.
 
Like other machines, its all up to how they decide to maintain them. The local locksmith has 4 or so key machines and said he adjusts them every 6 months to spec. How often do you think the ones at HomeDepot or Lowes get adjusted?

If you are a chain, you will loose maybe 1 hour on the alignment machine to have it adjusted. That may be a big deal for the manager who just sees total sales.
 
An alignment is only as good as the machine and the tech using it. I stay clear of Sears and Mavis Tire for alignments. There is only one local shop I trust with alignments and he's the guy I use. I tried Mavis once for an alignment, and when they were done making a right turn was effortless. I took the manager for a ride and demanded my money back, lesson learned.
 
If my tires are not wearing badly and the vehicle is driving well, I don't have alignment check done. If I change some suspension part that would affect alignment then yes, But I have the dealer do it but, usually wait for a special. Ed
 
Thank you

To align my BMW (only toe-in can be adjusted) you are supposed to have a full tank and place appropiate weights in seats to simulate a loaded vehicle. Do you think any shop does this?
 
Originally Posted By: Russell
Thank you

To align my BMW (only toe-in can be adjusted) you are supposed to have a full tank and place appropiate weights in seats to simulate a loaded vehicle. Do you think any shop does this?


You're right. I've even witnessed shops not check the air in the tires before an alignment, which is pretty basic actually.
 
I agree that if your tires are wearing good no alignment is needed (unless you hit a pothole or curb pretty hard).
I wouldn't use Sears, Firestone, Goodyear etc....but rather a dedicated front-end or alignment shop.
 
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Take it to the dealer.


Who takes it down the street to the Sears store.. (really!)
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
As it proves time and time again, chain shops generally cater to a lower quality standard than expert alignment shops and dealerships.


Why did you take it to a chain shop to begin with then?
 
Alignment racks also depend on the wheels being perfectly true since they mount on the wheel lip. Worn or loose bearings will also throw it off.

It's amazing how accurate the machines can be, but the cars they are designed to measure can have all sorts of relatively minor issues that can either show up as being WAY off or not show up at all.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
...but rather a dedicated front-end or alignment shop.

And how many of those exist nowadays? I've never seen one.
 
I have only ever had good aligments from the dealer and truthfully is one of the only times I ever set foot in a dealer.
They did a great job on my Honda, and they did a good job on my Saturn when they were around.
 
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Take it to the dealer.

This^^^^

I will never figure out why so many people here think tire shops do better work then the dealership..Down here in my neck of the woods the bulk of the tire shops are nightmares.

If I were car shopping and saw receipts that the car was serviced at Tire Kingdom,Firestone,Goodyear or any of those places I would not even think of buying that car..Just IMHO!

As much as I hate the dealer they really do the best Alignments.
 
somewhere there is a forum for alignment shop techs, and the thread would go something like this:
sears guy: some jackoff in a prius came in today for an alignment check, we showed him he was way off, and you know what? he wouldn't trust us to do the alignment! THEN, he goes across the street to the firestone place! yeah, good luck with THAT lol...
firestone guy: yeah, he came in (AGAIN) to get his alignment done, moron is always telling us how to do our job! yeah, i is certified man! anyways, we do a quicky aligmnet (boss dont want us wastin time on the freebies) an then he comes back all like 'yo, it still aint right!' so Im like, ok, we'll do it again, and we put it right back where it was and fill his tires, and he goes 'oh, it's much better now! LOLZ...
 
Originally Posted By: SVTCobra

Why did you take it to a chain shop to begin with then?

I said in the original post that I have a lifetime alignment plan with Firestone.

Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: pbm
...but rather a dedicated front-end or alignment shop.

And how many of those exist nowadays? I've never seen one.


They are quite common out here, though they usually charge around $150, which isn't too outrageous. I would take the car to one if I did not already have a lifetime alignment plan with Firestone. The visit to Sears was just for comparison purposes.
 
Also, I am getting an alignment on Monday for the Honda Fit. The Honda dealer wanted $99, though I convinced them to give me a discount down to $89.

I've been moaning and ranting about the high cost for a mere thrust-angle alignment, but considering my experience at two chain shops this week, an extra $20 doesn't sound too bad if it means a better likelihood of getting it right the first time.

Some things to consider about the dealer, at least this one:

- They just had their Hunter rack serviced today
- The advisor said he will put an A or B-level tech on the job, not their C-level or quick lube guy.
- Tech gets paid 1.6 flat rate hours, which seems like an awful lot.

So maybe $89 is a bargain.
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