A PAO morning

[OVERKILL]

Also found this slide about another FT-derived base oil (it's CTL, Coal-to-Liquid, same method the Germans used during WWII, instead of using natural gas as the feed stock but the resultant stack is essentially the same):

You can see how the FT-derived base with 0.2% PPD treat effectively matches PAO (with no PPD), and how that compares to typical Group III's:

 

[D1dad]

I couldn’t imagine the temps you Canadians deal with and how you get by. It was -7 here this morning, so cold my navigation screen in a newish car didn’t even turn on until I made my second stop and restarted. I hit a small pothole and thought my shocks were going to shatter.

 

[OVERKILL]

@Hohn found something definitive, this is from Evonik, who makes PPD's:

Full paper:
https://products.evonik.com/assets/37/62/ppd_treatise_en_EN_243762.pdf

 

[OVERKILL]

I couldn’t imagine the temps you Canadians deal with and how you get by. It was -7 here this morning, so cold my navigation screen in a newish car didn’t even turn on until I made my second stop and restarted. I hit a small pothole and thought my shocks were going to shatter.

And I'm in central Ontario, it's warm here compared to Thunder Bay or some of the more northern cities in the prairie provinces.

 

[D1dad]

And I'm in central Ontario, it's warm here compared to Thunder Bay or some of the more northern cities in the prairie provinces.

I’m in northern Ohio and we used to go to Ontario across from Detroit in college because the drinking age was 19 lol. I pulled doubles during the summers and drove through Ontario to Elizabethtown because Canadian laws were much more relaxed than the US on weight limits, but not radar detectors lol. I got a ticket at the border for $250 because I forgot to pull it off the window. Of course this was 30 some years ago.

 

[stormgol]

i am going to try to film a cold start next morning when it is -30 Celcius. with Mobil 1 Advanced fuel Economy 0W-30. we'll see how my turbo CX-5 handle this. it has not started for 3 days. and is parked outside. no block heater.

 

[Hohn]

@Hohn found something definitive, this is from Evonik, who makes PPD's:
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Full paper:
https://products.evonik.com/assets/37/62/ppd_treatise_en_EN_243762.pdf

Thank you!

 

[Snagglefoot]

We didn’t get the cold weather on the west side of the Rockies. It’s only -6 C and my Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0w30 is bored.

 

[Number_35]

I could go for some 000W-x!

 

[OVERKILL]

Thank you!

You are quite welcome

 

[OVERKILL]

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I could go for some 000W-x!

Ahhh, Winterpeg!

 

[BrianF]

Yeah i have some full PAO 0w30 set to go in my Trailblazer 4.2 next change. As well some full PAO 0w40 for the Cummins.

Its hovering around -36c up north and similar down in Crimetown. The diesel had to cold start in this as it was not properly plugged in today. The semi synthetic 10w30 may have been a touch thick...

 

[Snagglefoot]

Working in northern Alberta years ago in the bush we would keep the diesel trucks running 24 hours per day and the fuel injected gas trucks had after- market temperature sensing automatic starters to run them enough to keep the antifreeze in the engine warm enough to ensure a start. Electronic fuel injection came out in the early to mid 80’s in the trucks.

 

[userfriendly]

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I could go for some 000W-x!

My home town is Brandon, Manitoba. The coldest day that I remember was minus 51F in 1966.
My great grandparents immigrated from Scotland, Belgium and the Austro Hungarian Empire in the early 1900s. They owned farms in St Claude, Mb and Solsgirth, Mb before the electric grid was built. They heated their houses and cooked with wood, and plowed the fields with horses.

 

[Number_35]

My home town is Brandon, Manitoba. The coldest day that I remember was minus 51F in 1966.
My great grandparents immigrated from Scotland, Belgium and the Austro Hungarian Empire in the early 1900s. They owned farms in St Claude, Mb and Solsgirth, Mb before the electric grid was built. They heated their houses and cooked with wood, and plowed the fields with horses.

Grade 3 for me. That was a very cold winter. We hit -45°C (-49°F) on February 18th, but the entire month was cold. I walked a few blocks to school.

There was very little snow that winter until the blizzard of March 4th.

It sounds like it was even colder in Brandon.

Rural electrification didn't really take off until after WW2.

A friend told me his dad grew up on a farm prewar. They used to drain the oil out of the tractor, take it inside, and warm it on the wood stove.

 

[Number_35]

Working in northern Alberta years ago in the bush we would keep the diesel trucks running 24 hours per day and the fuel injected gas trucks had after- market temperature sensing automatic starters to run them enough to keep the antifreeze in the engine warm enough to ensure a start. Electronic fuel injection came out in the early to mid 80’s in the trucks.

One of the guys at work lived in a low-crime bedroom community. He commuted in a diesel VW, and, in cold weather, used to let it idle all night.

 

[Rand]

One of the guys at work lived in a low-crime bedroom community. He commuted in a diesel VW, and, in cold weather, used to let it idle all night.

Sounds like what happened to my car at work.
I think someone with a diesel parked next to me (well other side of shrub 10ft away)
whole car is covered in smear-y wet droplets... roof hood. lights. windows.. worst on drivers side doors.. but none on passenger side... super odd.

The droplets didnt freeze at -5f the other morning so obv. not water based.

And too cold to wash the car.. I did do the front and side windows about 8x was funny the window spray was turning into powder snow mid flight but it worked ok after I grabbed a heated can from the basement

Snow-mageddon just started late prob 4-5am (org predicted for 7pm)
Sunday so doubt they plow until late evening.

 

[Astro14]

Back to weather. Many fond memories of my time in Winnipeg.

And that arctic cold sure was memorable!

Today:

 

[Patman]

A friend told me his dad grew up on a farm prewar. They used to drain the oil out of the tractor, take it inside, and warm it on the wood stove.

How did they fit the tractor into the house?

 

[D1dad]

I can’t imagine -31. I remember starting our old town and country @-15 and thinking that I needed to run to avoid the shrapnel from the oil pump trying to get the 10w30 moving. Bless you folks who deal with these temps.