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5w20 in hard endurance environment?
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I would probably use a 0w40 or 5w40 synthetic. Mobil1 0w40 is good for most turbo applications and is available at most Walmarts...that would be my first choice.
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Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
You know, folks -- there is a viscosity that Ford recommends for modular engines that are operating in, shall we say...extreme circumstances.
Then again, what do those schmucks know.
Doesn't the Mustang GT with their "track pack" or "performance pack" require 5w-50 and I don't think there are oil coolers. So they know that if it is going to be run HARD to use a thicker oil.
You know, folks -- there is a viscosity that Ford recommends for modular engines that are operating in, shall we say...extreme circumstances.
Then again, what do those schmucks know.
Doesn't the Mustang GT with their "track pack" or "performance pack" require 5w-50 and I don't think there are oil coolers. So they know that if it is going to be run HARD to use a thicker oil.
Originally Posted By: oldhp
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
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Castrol Edge Sport 10w60 seems more than appropriate for this conditions.
If your going to beat the [censored] out of it for that long. I would go with a 0w40 in it.
Why would you use 0w in a car that's going to an endurance race? For better cold start?
Originally Posted By: camperbob
Originally Posted By: oldhp
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
what track? how large? configuration? surely not a 1/4mi Dirt oval(what my local track is)....though that could be fun to watch...
Originally Posted By: oldhp
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
what track? how large? configuration? surely not a 1/4mi Dirt oval(what my local track is)....though that could be fun to watch...
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Redline 20W/50 and worry about something else, other than the oil. Overfill it a quart.
The Dept. I work for uses 10w30 in our crown vics. The 4.6 2v can use a thicker grade no problem. If I was in your shoes, I'd probably use M1 0w40 and run the heck out of it.
The Police interceptor crown vic should have an oil cooler from the factory. If it were me i would run a 10w30 synthetic. its shear stable and plenty thick for a modular.
Also as mentioned by others if you plan to keep it at high RPM i would overfill it 1 qt to make sure you don't suck the sump dry.
the engine should last a while until it throws the back rod out the block on the drivers side. Every one ive seen break throws that rod. The powdered metal rods are weak. also i hope the timing chain guides are in good shape!
Sounds like your going to have a blast. If you want to shock everyone run a 5w20 and come back with a good story for us! i bet it wont die from and oil failure with 5w20 either. if it fails it will be because a weak link in the motor breaks, or something else on the car gives out.
Also as mentioned by others if you plan to keep it at high RPM i would overfill it 1 qt to make sure you don't suck the sump dry.
the engine should last a while until it throws the back rod out the block on the drivers side. Every one ive seen break throws that rod. The powdered metal rods are weak. also i hope the timing chain guides are in good shape!
Sounds like your going to have a blast. If you want to shock everyone run a 5w20 and come back with a good story for us! i bet it wont die from and oil failure with 5w20 either. if it fails it will be because a weak link in the motor breaks, or something else on the car gives out.
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I wouldn't run anything thinner than 10w30 (unless the ambient temp was below 0*F) in any 4-cycle engine. Even those [censored] Honda Accords would get 10w30 shoved down their throat!
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The enduro races I went to in Pa (BIL ran them) were not WOT from start to finish. 1/3 mile dirt track, started a s***load of cars, quickly turned into a chicane course with cars all over. Starting position meant everything as in literally the first lap the front cars were into the back of the pack. A push truck would move the wrecks. I think they red-flagged if it got completely blocked. Definitely a hoot though. After a while enough cars wrecked out and the guys could drive faster. Luck, smooth driving, and luck. The car had to be good enough to last a couple of hours of driving faster at the end than the start. Maybe the OPs races limit the number of cars and they run harder from the start. Ran a g-body Pontiac I think..been a while.
Originally Posted By: camperbob
Originally Posted By: oldhp
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
Sounds like fun. A good synthetic 40-weight; M1 0w40, Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w40, Joe Gibbs DT40, Redline 10w40. Overfill it a quart.
Originally Posted By: oldhp
No response from OP. I'm throwing the B.S. flag. 160K miles on engine and going flat out racing????? B.S.
No b.s., just a job. Each year they have multi-hour 100 lap endure races at the local speedway. Run it as hard as you can, and hope it lasts. The last couple I did were in FWD GM cars, and didn't even care what it had in it. This year they are planning 4 and I would rather build 1 car to run all 4 with, and in the V8 class. I can pick up an older high mile vic for a reasonable rate. You are not allowed any "aftermarket" coolers, so Im pretty limited to what came factory.
This site has really opened my eyes to viscosity, and I am looking to see if this would warrant a need for anything other than what is recommended.
Sounds like fun. A good synthetic 40-weight; M1 0w40, Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w40, Joe Gibbs DT40, Redline 10w40. Overfill it a quart.
Originally Posted By: camperbob
I don't know much about 5w20, but planning on running a 4.6 police interceptor in a long distance endure race this year. Basically ran as hard as it can for as long as it can, it the dead of summer
Engine already has about 160k on it. See any reason to run anything other than a good 5w20?
Sounds like a perfect case for TGMO.
After all, BITOG is full of claims that a 0WXX oils will do everything their 5W,10w,15W counterparts can.
I don't know much about 5w20, but planning on running a 4.6 police interceptor in a long distance endure race this year. Basically ran as hard as it can for as long as it can, it the dead of summer
Engine already has about 160k on it. See any reason to run anything other than a good 5w20?
Sounds like a perfect case for TGMO.
After all, BITOG is full of claims that a 0WXX oils will do everything their 5W,10w,15W counterparts can.
OP is not worried about fuel economy or cold start protection, simply flat out protection. Look at all the hard continuous use vehicles with high HP and tq, track cars and those that use higher RPMs....at the very least, Xw30, but most M1 Xw40 or Xw50 would be the normal across the board. I wouldn't hesitate to use the 40wt or 50wt, then focus attention on other items that might fail.
Even the Corvette C7 says 5w30 unless tracked then use 15w50:
https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Ch...k14corvette.pdf
Even the Corvette C7 says 5w30 unless tracked then use 15w50:
https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Ch...k14corvette.pdf
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Yup, on page 9-6
"Not changing the engine oil to
15W-50 may cause engine
damage. Engine oil must be
changed to 15W-50 synthetic."
If its good for the Vet, its good for your car.
"Not changing the engine oil to
15W-50 may cause engine
damage. Engine oil must be
changed to 15W-50 synthetic."
If its good for the Vet, its good for your car.
Originally Posted By: earlyre
what track? how large? configuration? surely not a 1/4mi Dirt oval(what my local track is)....though that could be fun to watch...
+1???
Most of the local ovals in my part of Pennsyltuckey ARE dirt.
I don't know if the central and western parts of the state have more paved ovals, IF that is where the OP lives.
what track? how large? configuration? surely not a 1/4mi Dirt oval(what my local track is)....though that could be fun to watch...
+1???
Most of the local ovals in my part of Pennsyltuckey ARE dirt.
I don't know if the central and western parts of the state have more paved ovals, IF that is where the OP lives.
kiss this engine goodbye .... wot for as long as it can in the dead of summer im assuming means until you throw a rod.
What a shame a good engine and who knows the car also destroyed. Great plan.
What a shame a good engine and who knows the car also destroyed. Great plan.
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