$500,000 Executive pay limit for bailout companies

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Originally Posted By: jsharp


I understand. Back to the topic, I think this is a bad idea overall. We're rapidly moving from loaning money to running these companies.

I say give them 90 days warning that we're calling the loans we shouldn't have made in the first place.


No one ever seems to remember that the first loss you take on something is your smallest.

These "banks" need to have a fork stuck in them because they are done. We need to divert the money that might otherwise still get thrown down this bottomless pit into capitalizing new commercial banks that operate like your local commercial bank, issue shares, make profitable prudent loans, and repay the capital loan. The only thing worse than being forced against your will to be an owner of a business, is being forced against your will to be an owner of an unfixable at any price, business.

Let the old ones stew in their own juice, go bankrupt, work their way out of it, whatever. We need to move them off our balance sheet ASAP.

As far as cutting their compensation, this is so little oversight so late that it is laughable, but they are taking Uncle Sugar's medicine, so I don't want to hear a lot of whining from them about having his foot on their neck. It needs to be up their backside.

What bugs me is when you DON'T take his money, and he still tells you what to do with your business, property, etc. But that is a rant for another day.
 
Originally Posted By: jsharp
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
Once the pay cap and special government oversight idea has been established for bailed-out companies, it's just a question of offering all corporations and individuals bailout money...

Would you accept government oversight as to how you spend your savings, in return for $1000 bailout money?


And how about setting the pay of not just the CEO's but the rest of the employees? It follows that since there are many more of them that they're a large cost to the companies.

We're watching an idea that was bad in the beginning become even worse by the day. The salary cap was pure populist in motive. Lipstick on a pig.



The gesture is symbolic in many respects in terms of absolute value, but it merely closes the door on the rest of the society being a cash cow that you can milk til they're dry and move on to your next cow.

THD was the prime example before the exposure of our vulnerability. Declining year ..big exit bonus. For what? At who's expense? The penny stock holders.

Now you're trying to tie in reductions on wages to those who had no control over their compensation packages and didn't make several multiples over their wage base in bonus or deferred income.

Sorry, js, but this is just more rationalizing of the elitist entitlements program inverted.

I don't care if they can afford a better gated community. I don't care if they lose 80% of their income or net value. I don't care if they leave the business sector and retire to Bolivia.

They've sat by and milked this society for what it's worth and watched it go down in flames. What good are they doing us ..as a society?
 
This cap and other golden parachute restrictions are a good thing.
The Gov't IS a partner, now.

But like anything else, they start innocuously and get more control later. I am uncomfortable with this obvious Socialism, and where it may go once the door is open.
[I mean to other non Gov't funded businesses.]
Some rationalization will be given.
 
Well, gentlemen, my only retort to those (perhaps 100% valid) fears is that the bozo's that you should have been sniping instead of defending and cheering for ..just spoiled the party with their aloof greed.

Go to them and appeal for help dealing with the results of their works. You're whining about the product of their self interest and corrupted toil.

Send them a thank you note.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan

The gesture is symbolic in many respects in terms of absolute value, but it merely closes the door on the rest of the society being a cash cow that you can milk til they're dry and move on to your next cow.

THD was the prime example before the exposure of our vulnerability. Declining year ..big exit bonus. For what? At who's expense? The penny stock holders.

Now you're trying to tie in reductions on wages to those who had no control over their compensation packages and didn't make several multiples over their wage base in bonus or deferred income.

Sorry, js, but this is just more rationalizing of the elitist entitlements program inverted.

I don't care if they can afford a better gated community. I don't care if they lose 80% of their income or net value. I don't care if they leave the business sector and retire to Bolivia.

They've sat by and milked this society for what it's worth and watched it go down in flames. What good are they doing us ..as a society?


I've not once tried to rationalize these bailouts. I've been against every one and have said that repeatedly. And this hardly closes the door to any further heist of taxpayer $$ in any case.

Now we've started down a road we shouldn't have and people are cheering. Will the same people be cheering when the UAW gets stuck with pay caps? Doubtful. It's hard to say they have nothing to do with their salary, they vote on it.

Anyone who can't see where this leads needs to open their eyes. We now have precedent that the government should decide what companies live and die. We now have precedent that after they decide they should also decide how much the employees of those companies make in salary. But just some employees, not all of them. For now anyway. Subject to change by whim or fiat. Equal protection? Who needs it eh?

While we're at it, let's decide what products and services these companies should offer and we might just as well price them while we're at it. We'll just take the populist view to determine "fair" pricing.

Gary, I really doubt you care less than I do about these bankers and pirates. Yes, I did repeat myself. My concern is with the destruction of the system by replacing it with an economy managed by central planning, done by people who don't understand how to use Turbo Tax to calculate their taxes.

I see this move as just another step in that direction. It may well be fair or deserved or whatever other word could be used to rationalize it. But it's not right in that it shows a disregard for any number of principals this country was founded on. That's my beef with it, not the plight of the suffering bankers.
 
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Imagine Postal Workers running your bank. It's easy if you open your mind.


Will they still be open on Saturday? That's my only concern...
 
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I've not once tried to rationalize these bailouts.


I wasn't inferring you supported or rationalized the bailouts. I got the impression that you were, in a sorta backward manner, rationalizing CEO compensation packages. I surely thought that you said that "the rest" of the corporate structure (probably all the way down to hourly people) needed to take a cut too.

There's no way that anyone can rationally say that those receiving bailouts on the CEO or para-CEO level has EVER SUFFERED. They surely need to bleed here, not the underlings.

While I'm really uncertain whether or not any bailing out should be done, IF it is done ..the ABSOLUTE LAST PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BENEFIT ARE THE ELITE. Not the financiers ..not The League of Distinguished Gentlemen. They've milked the entire society for the past decade and give us dog dirt in return for "helping wealth be all that it can be". I.E. a pack of highly compensated low life thieves.
 
Well, that didn't take long.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/06/obamas-executive-pay-plan-may-have-loopholes/

“You’re pitting a group of government bureaucrats against compensation consultants and lawyers who are paid lots of money, and they’re pretty [censored] smart,” Graef Crystal, a former executive compensation consultant who has written six books on the subject, told The Los Angeles Times. “It’s a lot easier to find ways around things like this than it is to invent them in the first place.”

How could we have predicted such a thing?
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These guys deserve a work in a bordel (I suggest turkish one) at least for a week, but not a pay limit. And it's necessary their leaving is lightened widely in all media and followed by Donner Summer's "She works hard for the money".
 
I think that they knew what they were doing all along. You mean to tell me that a CEO and all of his/her cronies don't know how to do the simple math of more needs to come in than goes out, meanwhile they are taking heap loads out in salary/bonus?

Sorry I don't buy it. Put 'em in jail and let the markets correct themselves. If you ask me this is just the way corrupt business found to make profits and let everyone else pay for it, while the CEO's / Cronies laugh all the way to the bank.

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