25 Honda Pilot tire recs

[FZ1]

I think I can pay less than a prorate by shopping for a deal and getting DT to match/beat it.

With a prorate you start with full price then subtract for the adjustment.

The prorate - if I understand it correctly requires you to wear down all the tires to 2 or 3/32 - I will never get down past 4/32 before I am buying new tires. My safety is more important than a few $$.

If this is incorrect please set me straight -

IIRC - I had about 15K on my Michelin Defender LTX they start at 12/32 they were down to 6/32 and had a 70K mile rating.

I ended up at 22,700 miles and they were 4/32 - NO WAY they go to 70K

So 6 out of 10 usable gone in 15K - DT said there was nothing they could do until I was 2 or 3 32 and that was in so many years 5 or 6 I can't recall.

Proration doesn't look like an option I could ever use.

O.K. Using your numbers 22,700/70,000. You only got about 33% of the Warranted 70,000. So, you would be entitled to a 67% credit from the price you paid for the tires. DT does charge for balancing and mounting the new tires (about $100). Assume you paid $800 for the worn- out tires, the prorate credit would be 800 x 67% or $536. I stay in the Michelin brand of replacement tires and apply the credit. Say the replacement Michelins now cost $900. Then, $900 less your prorated credit of $536= $364 + the $100 install = $464 for a new set of Michelins. Hope this helps. I'm a 3/32 guy and gettin' the $536 prorate. Ymmv.

 

[JHZR2]

Sorry, Charlie! I'm no speed demon. The tires had become hard and hitting standing water was an experience.
They were exceptional tires when new.

Stinks when that happens. We end up changing tires on age vs wear too.

If you extrapolate out, looks like you would have likely gotten 80-100k of service if they didn’t harden up. Not bad!

 

[MParr]

Stinks when that happens. We end up changing tires on age vs wear too.

If you extrapolate out, looks like you would have likely gotten 80-100k of service if they didn’t harden up. Not bad!

I believe that you are correct about the age issue. I had been noticing the drop off in overall performance for about six months. I wanted to make it to 60,000 miles. However, the wet weather performance declined so much, I didn't trust them anymore.

 

[earthbound]

Defenders on my crv have been fantastic

 

[edyvw]

I just replaced a set of LTX M/S 2 at 55,000 miles. They were at between 5/32 and 6/32. They were also a little over 5 years old. They were dangerous in rainy conditions. I don't like hydroplaning.

The only tire I keep to 6yrs old is Michelin. Once they hit 6, they are gone, regardless of thread.
Others 5yrs.
I have on Tiguan right now Michelin Pilot A/S3+ made in 2019 and have 4/32. They are still good in wet. Hydroplaning resistance obviously decreased, but handling and braking is still very good.
However, they are gone after I take them off around Halloween and put snow tires.
I have on Sequoia current Defender LTX M/S2 and put since May around 8000mls (I am on a road trip now) and they are absolutely fantastic.

 

[z71bill]

O.K. Using your numbers 22,700/70,000. You only got about 33% of the Warranted 70,000. So, you would be entitled to a 67% credit from the price you paid for the tires. DT does charge for balancing and mounting the new tires (about $100). Assume you paid $800 for the worn- out tires, the prorate credit would be 800 x 67% or $536. I stay in the Michelin brand of replacement tires and apply the credit. Say the replacement Michelins now cost $900. Then, $900 less your prorated credit of $536= $364 + the $100 install = $464 for a new set of Michelins. Hope this helps. I'm a 3/32 guy and gettin' the $536 prorate. Ymmv.

Will Discount Tire or anyone pro rate a 7 year old tire with 4/32 tread left?

 

[MParr]

The only tire I keep to 6yrs old is Michelin. Once they hit 6, they are gone, regardless of thread.
Others 5yrs.
I have on Tiguan right now Michelin Pilot A/S3+ made in 2019 and have 4/32. They are still good in wet. Hydroplaning resistance obviously decreased, but handling and braking is still very good.
However, they are gone after I take them off around Halloween and put snow tires.
I have on Sequoia current Defender LTX M/S2 and put since May around 8000mls (I am on a road trip now) and they are absolutely fantastic.

I average about 10,000 miles per year on my F-150. So, they were about 5.5 years old.
I highly doubt that the Primacy Tour A/S, on our new Escape, will make it 4 years. We might get 38,000 miles out of them.
I am basing my prediction on some Energy Saver A/S tires I had on a 2017 Escape.

 

[z71bill]

If you don't drive a lot of miles, and also don't want old tires - you may be better off with a less expensive tire that has a 50K warranty VS a much more expensive tire that is rated for 80K.

I have been doing 5-6K a year so in 7 years I will be at ~~38,500 - why would I want an 80K warranty I will never get there.

 

[z71bill]

The only tire I keep to 6yrs old is Michelin. Once they hit 6, they are gone, regardless of thread.
Others 5yrs.
I have on Tiguan right now Michelin Pilot A/S3+ made in 2019 and have 4/32. They are still good in wet. Hydroplaning resistance obviously decreased, but handling and braking is still very good.
However, they are gone after I take them off around Halloween and put snow tires.
I have on Sequoia current Defender LTX M/S2 and put since May around 8000mls (I am on a road trip now) and they are absolutely fantastic.

My Michelin Defenders were coming up on 7 years since install and were over 7 since manufacture.

I took a relative to a doctors appointment across town - Houston traffic is not fun.

Going up 288 traffic flowing fast - it is hard to go slow because having vehicles - 18 wheelers even passing you going 75+ (in a 65) just feels unsafe.

I like to keep with the flow of traffic.

I worried a little about the tires. Not even a week later I replaced them. I bet I could have safely gone another 10K but the extra worry is not worth it.

 

[edyvw]

If you don't drive a lot of miles, and also don't want old tires - you may be better off with a less expensive tire that has a 50K warranty VS a much more expensive tire that is rated for 80K.

I have been doing 5-6K a year so in 7 years I will be at ~~38,500 - why would I want an 80K warranty I will never get there.

Less mileage warranty doesn’t mean less expensive. I always go performance first. For our Tiguan there are a lot of grand touring options. But I always go ultra high performance A/S as we don’t make a lot of miles with that car and during winter it is on snows.
On Sequoia, i need very good highway tire but also tire that can do some light off road. On winter I switch again to snows. So I am expecting from these Defenders to have 50, at most 60k before they hit 6yrs.
BMW always gets UHP A/S tires. But I also have snows on that one. Typically I wear out A/S in 3, maybe 4 summers.

 

[MParr]

Less mileage warranty doesn’t mean less expensive. I always go performance first. For our Tiguan there are a lot of grand touring options. But I always go ultra high performance A/S as we don’t make a lot of miles with that car and during winter it is on snows.
On Sequoia, i need very good highway tire but also tire that can do some light off road. On winter I switch again to snows. So I am expecting from these Defenders to have 50, at most 60k before they hit 6yrs.
BMW always gets UHP A/S tires. But I also have snows on that one. Typically I wear out A/S in 3, maybe 4 summers.

On our former 2019 Tiguan, I replaced the pitiful OE Bridgestone Ecopia EL422 Plus with Michelin Defender T+H. The T+H were very good tires. They were on ot when we traded it. They looked almost new.
One reason that I picked the Goodyear Wrangler Steadfast H/T, on my F-150, is that they were touted as having light off road capability.

 

[edyvw]

On our former 2019 Tiguan, I replaced the pitiful OE Bridgestone Ecopia EL422 Plus with Michelin Defender T+H. The T+H were very good tires. They were on ot when we traded it. They looked almost new.
One reason that I picked the Goodyear Wrangler Steadfast H/T, on my F-150, is that they were touted as having light off road capability.

Our Tiguan came with Scorpion plus tires. But I replaced them with first generation DWS as Scorpions were pretty worn out (used car, 34k). Defender would last longer tread wise on Tiguan, but I am giving up performance then. Considering mileage I am making with that car, not worth it.

 

[MParr]

Our Tiguan came with Scorpion plus tires. But I replaced them with first generation DWS as Scorpions were pretty worn out (used car, 34k). Defender would last longer tread wise on Tiguan, but I am giving up performance then. Considering mileage I am making with that car, not worth it.

I just went with the size and speed rating that is posted on the door post. It had 17" wheels.

 

[FZ1]

Will Discount Tire or anyone pro rate a 7 year old tire with 4/32 tread left?

I think the Michelin warranty period is 6 years.

 

[FZ1]

I average about 10,000 miles per year on my F-150. So, they were about 5.5 years old.
I highly doubt that the Primacy Tour A/S, on our new Escape, will make it 4 years. We might get 38,000 miles out of them.
I am basing my prediction on some Energy Saver A/S tires I had on a 2017 Escape.

My Energy Savers would go about 20,000 is city driving. I'm hoping to get 35,000 out of the Defenders 2's.

 

[z71bill]

Less mileage warranty doesn’t mean less expensive. I always go performance first. For our Tiguan there are a lot of grand touring options. But I always go ultra high performance A/S as we don’t make a lot of miles with that car and during winter it is on snows.
On Sequoia, i need very good highway tire but also tire that can do some light off road. On winter I switch again to snows. So I am expecting from these Defenders to have 50, at most 60k before they hit 6yrs.
BMW always gets UHP A/S tires. But I also have snows on that one. Typically I wear out A/S in 3, maybe 4 summers.

I guess I was thinking - every thing else being equal.

Which it never is on BTOG!

 

[edyvw]

I guess I was thinking - every thing else being equal.

Which it never is on BTOG!

Lol.
Never happened.

 

[D.P.R.]

Goodyear Assurance ComfortDrive replaced Michelin Defender T+H on my car and fuel mileage has not changed. So far have 10k miles on them.

My experience is the opposite but I changed from Bridgestone Ecopia 422 which I was told are LRR tires so it explained why my MPGs dropped. The Goodyears have better traction and ride smooth. FWIW.

 

[FZ1]

My experience is the opposite but I changed from Bridgestone Ecopia 422 which I was told are LRR tires so it explained why my MPGs dropped. The Goodyears have better traction and ride smooth. FWIW.

Right. My City mpg dropped about 3% and my hwy mpg about 10% when I switched from Michelin Energy Savers (Lrr) to Defender 2's (non Lrr). That said, I prefer driving the Defender 2's and expect to get more miles out of them.

 

[The Critic]

Right. My City mpg dropped about 3% and my hwy mpg about 10% when I switched from Michelin Energy Savers (Lrr) to Defender 2's (non Lrr). That said, I prefer driving the Defender 2's and expect to get more miles out of them.

Every report I've read suggest the Defender 2's to be very average for wet traction. Since they are priced very comparably to the CC2, why should one buy them?