.22LR vs .22 WMR
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I've got to say, every .22 WMR I've tried is nowhere near as accurate as most .22s and any .17 HMR I've tried.
The only reason I'd get a .22 WMR is if I needed a bit extra knockdown power on slightly bigger varmints at about
The .17 HMR is awesome and can reach out to little varmints past 150 yards. But just for casual target shooting and plinking the .22 LR CANNOT BE BEAT! Good luck.
The only reason I'd get a .22 WMR is if I needed a bit extra knockdown power on slightly bigger varmints at about
The .17 HMR is awesome and can reach out to little varmints past 150 yards. But just for casual target shooting and plinking the .22 LR CANNOT BE BEAT! Good luck.
I've got a few rifles and one SA pistol in.22mag.
Cost? 22lr rounds are around 4 cents to 12 cents. .22 mag is 16 cents for the not too accurate to 29 cents for the CCI HP.
Quite a bit more power out further and slightly less accurate than a 22 lr. .17 HMR is more accurate but is affected by any wind with ease.
The .22mag hits cans and milk jugs much more impressive than the 22lr. But at almost 30 cents a round, I can load up some .223 that makes the .22mag look like a pop gun. At any range.
They are fun guns and I enjoy mine, but once I shoot out my stash of .22mag ammo, the rifles will be up for sale. The pistol is a Single six so I'll just place the extra cyl in the rear of the safe.
Take care, bill
PS: Yes, the .17HMR is a .22mag with a .17 bullet. My cousin has one and its impressive unless the wind is up.
Cost? 22lr rounds are around 4 cents to 12 cents. .22 mag is 16 cents for the not too accurate to 29 cents for the CCI HP.
Quite a bit more power out further and slightly less accurate than a 22 lr. .17 HMR is more accurate but is affected by any wind with ease.
The .22mag hits cans and milk jugs much more impressive than the 22lr. But at almost 30 cents a round, I can load up some .223 that makes the .22mag look like a pop gun. At any range.
They are fun guns and I enjoy mine, but once I shoot out my stash of .22mag ammo, the rifles will be up for sale. The pistol is a Single six so I'll just place the extra cyl in the rear of the safe.
Take care, bill
PS: Yes, the .17HMR is a .22mag with a .17 bullet. My cousin has one and its impressive unless the wind is up.
crinkles, what sort of target shooting, and under who's discipline ?
NRA will only let you use .22LR in competition, and the subsonics are better for wind drift at the up to 100 yard ranges. Supersonics drift a little more, but are still OK. The .17 rimfires can't go to an NRA competition.
SSAA allow more leniency, but don't have things like the Queens etc. if you get hooked.
If you take a magnum to the range, no-one will be your friend, as you'll scare them (seriously, watching people on the range flinch when a magnum goes off at a .22 event seems silly, when they don't at a centrefire event).
The .22LRs seem generally more accurate, and are way cheaper.
If you were going to be a fox shooter, I'd suggest the magnum. Gave a few boxes of LR qikshoks to farmer mates, adn they reckon that they are nearly as good as mags on foxes and roos.
Targets and bunnies, the LR every time.
Hitting a rabbit with a winchester subsonic, and hearing a solid "thock", and not having everything within a half mile run away makes a morning more complete.
NRA will only let you use .22LR in competition, and the subsonics are better for wind drift at the up to 100 yard ranges. Supersonics drift a little more, but are still OK. The .17 rimfires can't go to an NRA competition.
SSAA allow more leniency, but don't have things like the Queens etc. if you get hooked.
If you take a magnum to the range, no-one will be your friend, as you'll scare them (seriously, watching people on the range flinch when a magnum goes off at a .22 event seems silly, when they don't at a centrefire event).
The .22LRs seem generally more accurate, and are way cheaper.
If you were going to be a fox shooter, I'd suggest the magnum. Gave a few boxes of LR qikshoks to farmer mates, adn they reckon that they are nearly as good as mags on foxes and roos.
Targets and bunnies, the LR every time.
Hitting a rabbit with a winchester subsonic, and hearing a solid "thock", and not having everything within a half mile run away makes a morning more complete.
Well I want to stay away from competitions as I do not enjoy competing (yes I have some issues from childhood LOL). Basically I want to shoot targets for fun at a range. that's if i can get hold of the Range up here, i haven't been able to find a contact or location for the rifle range...
Originally Posted By: crinkles
Thinking of getting a rimfire rifle for target shooting and occasional varmint shooting.
How much more expensive is WMR ammo?
Any significant benefits in using a .22 WMR rifle over .22 LR rifle?
crinkles,
WMR ammo usually cost twice the price of LR's. If your gonna shoot target then I'd stay with 22 long rifles as you can benifit more from the variety. The use of them against varmits you'd better use "hyper velocity" as these hot round approach close to the WMR's in velocity.
For serious varmiting I'd go with 223 remington as varmits come in different sizes and as big as dogs. You always want a clean kill for the sake of aminal.
Durango
Thinking of getting a rimfire rifle for target shooting and occasional varmint shooting.
How much more expensive is WMR ammo?
Any significant benefits in using a .22 WMR rifle over .22 LR rifle?
crinkles,
WMR ammo usually cost twice the price of LR's. If your gonna shoot target then I'd stay with 22 long rifles as you can benifit more from the variety. The use of them against varmits you'd better use "hyper velocity" as these hot round approach close to the WMR's in velocity.
For serious varmiting I'd go with 223 remington as varmits come in different sizes and as big as dogs. You always want a clean kill for the sake of aminal.
Durango
I've used a .22LR on a 35lb coyote but it was a 40 yard broadside shot to both lungs. Pretty much a long bow hunting shot. It made it 100 yrds away and died, but based on that I wouldn't attempt anything longer range or poorer angles on a coyote. I use it on our goats or pigs before butchering and it works great for that but its a 2" shot. I guess in summary, IMO .22LR is good for targets and putting animals down, not good for bigger critters at longer ranges.
I have used a .22 WMR on groundhogs and it works really well. You can hear the bullet hit them with more of a smack and they do seem to kill faster. I have hit them with a 22lr and they are able to crawl back down the hole whereas I have never had that happen when I get them with a 22WMR. I do prefer my .44mag Deerslayer for groundhogs though, puts a nice big hole in them wherever you hit them, lol
The Viper/Stinger or any other type of "hyper" 22lr work very well on groundhogs and such. They really reach out the effective range of the 22lr in a rifle.
I went to the gun shop today and they did have Stingers for $6.29 / 50 and Vmax 22WMR for $12.49 / 50.
So that does cover Durango's twice the price between the 2.
Bill
I went to the gun shop today and they did have Stingers for $6.29 / 50 and Vmax 22WMR for $12.49 / 50.
So that does cover Durango's twice the price between the 2.
Bill
Everyone should have AT LEAST one .22lr!
I've heard some folks have more.. Many more......
Bill
I've heard some folks have more.. Many more......
Bill
Look into the Savage Mark II. I have the heavy barrel one with a wood stock and it's awesome. Gotta love the reliability of the bolt action...
Originally Posted By: crinkles
close enough. seems like esp for what i want to do and being a beginner at 28 a 22 LR would be best. I can always build up to the others, and a .223 centrefire later on.
crinkles,
I believe you made a wise choice as a beginner. Your can always build up your collection after you get more familar with the inner workings of the rifle itself.
For shooting groundhog and such the 22LR is perfect. That's like a person getting hit with a 50 cal so a quick kill is most insured. I wouldn't try even a hyper velocity round against a coyote for the same reason. My opinion only. Better to take him with a 223 cal.
Otherwise to ring out the best accuracy out of any rimfire rifle can take allot of patience and you learn good trigger control at the same time without spending allot of money.
Good shooting to you.
close enough. seems like esp for what i want to do and being a beginner at 28 a 22 LR would be best. I can always build up to the others, and a .223 centrefire later on.
crinkles,
I believe you made a wise choice as a beginner. Your can always build up your collection after you get more familar with the inner workings of the rifle itself.
For shooting groundhog and such the 22LR is perfect. That's like a person getting hit with a 50 cal so a quick kill is most insured. I wouldn't try even a hyper velocity round against a coyote for the same reason. My opinion only. Better to take him with a 223 cal.
Otherwise to ring out the best accuracy out of any rimfire rifle can take allot of patience and you learn good trigger control at the same time without spending allot of money.
Good shooting to you.
Originally Posted By: Durango
For shooting groundhog and such the 22LR is perfect. That's like a person getting hit with a 50 cal so a quick kill is most insured. I wouldn't try even a hyper velocity round against a coyote for the same reason. My opinion only. Better to take him with a 223 cal.
And to make sure I'm understood clearly. I was commenting on the Hyper velocity vs the 22WMR.. IE the Hyper makes the 22lr more versatile as you can buy slow loads up to the Hyper vel.
The 22WMR really starts out expensive and only goes up.
For coyotes unless it was real close and I had a .22WMR maybe. I'd rather use a center-fire round without question. .22lr really is not what I'd use for something that large.
Bill
For shooting groundhog and such the 22LR is perfect. That's like a person getting hit with a 50 cal so a quick kill is most insured. I wouldn't try even a hyper velocity round against a coyote for the same reason. My opinion only. Better to take him with a 223 cal.
And to make sure I'm understood clearly. I was commenting on the Hyper velocity vs the 22WMR.. IE the Hyper makes the 22lr more versatile as you can buy slow loads up to the Hyper vel.
The 22WMR really starts out expensive and only goes up.
For coyotes unless it was real close and I had a .22WMR maybe. I'd rather use a center-fire round without question. .22lr really is not what I'd use for something that large.
Bill
Originally Posted By: crinkles
close enough. seems like esp for what i want to do and being a beginner at 28 a 22 LR would be best. I can always build up to the others, and a .223 centrefire later on.
It's a good plan. It's good to get proficient with a .22 before moving on up...ammo is really cheap, and you can get lots of practice without stirring up the neighbours.
I had a .22 (Kriko) from age 15 to 30, then got a .223 (CZ527), which I've used out to 600 yards at the range.
The .223 is about 35c a shot using quality reloading components, and once fired ADI range brass.
I've since bought another couple of .22s (1967 Brno, and a Rossi break action)
close enough. seems like esp for what i want to do and being a beginner at 28 a 22 LR would be best. I can always build up to the others, and a .223 centrefire later on.
It's a good plan. It's good to get proficient with a .22 before moving on up...ammo is really cheap, and you can get lots of practice without stirring up the neighbours.
I had a .22 (Kriko) from age 15 to 30, then got a .223 (CZ527), which I've used out to 600 yards at the range.
The .223 is about 35c a shot using quality reloading components, and once fired ADI range brass.
I've since bought another couple of .22s (1967 Brno, and a Rossi break action)
Bill in Utah,
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
Originally Posted By: Durango
Bill in Utah,
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
Thanks!
Good to go!
Bill in Utah,
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
Thanks!
Good to go!
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Durango
Bill in Utah,
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
Thanks!
Good to go!
Bill,
I always knew you were the man in the know about 22's as I know you from from the rimfire forum.
You guys should take notes when this guy talks. He knows what he's talking about as I do.
Durango
Originally Posted By: Durango
Bill in Utah,
I totally agree with you! Your right on the money dude. :=)
Thanks!
Good to go!
Bill,
I always knew you were the man in the know about 22's as I know you from from the rimfire forum.
You guys should take notes when this guy talks. He knows what he's talking about as I do.
Durango
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