21 escape ready to drive off cliff!

[MSCH]

I'm pretty sure this Escape has a 6 or 8 spd conventional transmission. I don't know how much Toyota and Subaru cooperate but Subaru as been doing CVT's for a while and toyota usually does their homework, even on the cheap cars.


I just get the general impression that Ford and GM engineering is listening too much to the bean counters, and either not spec'ing good enough parts quality or not spending enough time in R&D before letting some of their cheaper vehicles roll down the line...
Knock on wood, but our Subaru seems to have had only a couple small parts and engineering decisions issues, all fixed for free even out of warranty by Subaru, so they seem to be more invested in their vehicles in this class/price range just like Toyota/Honda.
I like my Focus and it seems the expensive oily parts are good under the hood, but a lot of other parts are failing earlier than my buddies 2004 Echo for example.

when something is produced in the 1000's and tens of thousands, different people will have different experiences.
yeah, bean counters do come into play
but so do personal prejudices and preferences

It is worth saying most people only have a few vehicles in their lifetime and its hard to draw any accurate conclusion based on this viewpoint except I had really good luck with this vehicle, so I will buy another..
The manufacturers know what works and what the failure points are and up to a point so does a dealerships
repair center. But they keep that stuff hushed up until it hits the Class Action lawsuit level or national recall level and the haters bellow the news from the rooftop..

 

[loneryder]

I bought vehicle new. Oil changes every 5,000 miles trans was flushed twice in 100,000 miles. Starting shifting funny at 100,000 miles. Paid $7,600 for a new trans from ford. Now on its 3d one. They just keep failing within 1,000 miles. So so frustrating. II baby this car and drive it very easy. Starting to think i should drive it hard!?

They are probably rebuilt transmissions.

 

[TomYoung]

I hate to admit it but I watch the college kids/recent college grads at my non-profit. Those with RAV4's and CRV's (circa 2000 MY, because, college kids) just go and go and go. The kids don't even know you're supposed to change your oil, but the Japanese stuff just takes a beating via neglect and keeps chugging.

For the record I don't own any Honda or Toyota and probably never will....but if I wanted to put an oblivious young person into a car I know they'll never think about, it would probably be Honda or Toyota. Thankfully for the entire planet, I have not procreated, so I don't have kids to worry about.

Transmission went out....long story short Ford replaced it twice already. 1st one had a messed up torque converter, put in a second one now after a week I hear bearing noise and wirring sound. About to go in again. Dont know what to do with this thing 130,00 miles. Missing work over this thing. I will never buy another new ford!

 

[Owen Lucas]

Yes. A brick and a nearby cliff will do quite nicely.

I heard there was a place in AZ precisely used for this. A cliff with a convenient shoulder area. Those with car payments they couldn't handle or wanted to commit insurance fraud would go there push the vehicles over. Supposedly it was like a junkyard at the bottom of the cliff. Not sure if it's a true story, maybe just an insurance adjusters old wives' tale.

 

[TomYoung]

This is a horrible situation fundamentally caused by Ford building a poorly-designed, low quality vehicle. If I were in your shoes, I would take the car back to the service center, explain to the service manager that your want to open a case with Ford and that the situation is completely intolerable. The car stays with them until fixed. Then ask for a loaner. I realize that you might not get anywhere here. If possible, and if no loaner is on the table, I would be looking for another... not a Ford. Talk to a Lemon Law attorney. I recognize that you may owe money on the car or that you need money out of it. This is exactly why the domestic industry lost dominance in the seventies and it is more than enough justification to purchase a Honda or Toyota, two brands that have never lost sight of reliability as a practice.

 

[PimTac]

Transmission went out....long story short Ford replaced it twice already. 1st one had a messed up torque converter, put in a second one now after a week I hear bearing noise and wirring sound. About to go in again. Dont know what to do with this thing 130,00 miles. Missing work over this thing. I will never buy another new ford!

This should be covered by the dealer. It sounds like a mistake in the assembly. They are supposed to guarantee their work.

 

[TomYoung]

Isn't this a duplicate thread?
Isn't 130K actually not so bad for a lifetime for an automatic transmission, especially when we don't know how it was maintained or driven?
Exactly who is rebuilding these transmissions?
I'd be blaming the rebuilder or mechanics.

I got ~265K from my 1995 Escort's automatic transmission, but I drove it gently and maintained it.

130K lifespan on an automatic trans is pathetic.

 

[mrjlube]

Thank you for all the advice. Going in again at 3 today and there giving me 23 edge as a loaner. I sure hope third one is a charm

 

[dogememe]

Should be the same 6F35 my Escape had. I beat on it angrily for years, rented it out on Turo, towed with it, no issues at ~140K when I sold it. I did change the fluid at 60K when I bought it and every 30K after that, though.

Sorry the reman units Ford is installing aren’t holding up. Hopefully their warranty will take care of it and the next one does better.

Of course, if something on the vehicle is causing the failure, it might never last. I’ve heard of cases on vehicles where a bad MAF sensor causes repeat transmission failures with no OBD2 codes and no driveability issues. But that’s got to be super rare.

 

[dogememe]

Thank you for all the advice. Going in again at 3 today and there giving me 23 edge as a loaner. I sure hope third one is a charm

The Edge rides nice. May the next transmission last you to 300K

 

[atikovi]

3yr/unlimited miles on transmissions

Then why is OP posting about it here instead of talking to the dealer that installed it? Unless just venting of course.

 

[dishdude]

Improving your chances of avoiding this kind of stuff is why you bought a toyota... Not that repeat failures can't happen with any car, but a few brands seem to be better at avoiding this.

Funny, the thread I read before this was a Highlander with a lot less miles having multiple major engine repairs.

 

[demarpaint]

They are probably rebuilt transmissions.

I'm sure they are, and not very good either.

 

[demarpaint]

Thank you for all the advice. Going in again at 3 today and there giving me 23 edge as a loaner. I sure hope third one is a charm

I'd sell it after they fix it, and not look back.

 

[Dave9]

I’ve heard of cases on vehicles where a bad MAF sensor causes repeat transmission failures with no OBD2 codes and no driveability issues. But that’s got to be super rare.

Examples? This does not seem possible.

 

[Donald]

Transmission went out....long story short Ford replaced it twice already. 1st one had a messed up torque converter, put in a second one now after a week I hear bearing noise and wirring sound. About to go in again. Dont know what to do with this thing 130,00 miles. Missing work over this thing. I will never buy another new ford!

I would push off a cliff but would not suggest driving off a cliff

 

[userfriendly]

maybe Ford isn't flushing the trans cooler when they do the R@R on the tranny.. ?

Do they have a transmission cooler?

 

[zzyzzx]

Examples? This does not seem possible.

It can create an erratic or incorrect signal on initial take-off, which can cause an elongated shift. It can deliver an incorrect signal at higher engine speed, which can create shudder that could be mistaken for torque-converter-clutch (TCC) problems.

Also:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automati...irflow-sensor-affect-shifting-negatively.html
https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2430208-Transmission-Safe-Mode-and-MAF-Sensor-Code
https://www.e46fanatics.com/threads...ransmission-limp-mode-intermittently.1188105/
https://cararac.com/blog/can-bad-mass-airflow-sensor-cause-transmission-problems.html

 

[dumkid]

I had a bad tps cause the torque converter to constantly lock and unlock on the highway, if the computer uses the maf to calculate engine load and other things then you'll get funny shift going on

 

[bdcardinal]

Should be the same 6F35 my Escape had. I beat on it angrily for years, rented it out on Turo, towed with it, no issues at ~140K when I sold it. I did change the fluid at 60K when I bought it and every 30K after that, though.

Sorry the reman units Ford is installing aren’t holding up. Hopefully their warranty will take care of it and the next one does better.

Of course, if something on the vehicle is causing the failure, it might never last. I’ve heard of cases on vehicles where a bad MAF sensor causes repeat transmission failures with no OBD2 codes and no driveability issues. But that’s got to be super rare.

Negative, it should be an 8 speed auto.