2024 Honda Prologue EV Previewed

[Torrid]

My daily commute never exceeds 120 miles. But I can tell you that it is not at all unusual for me to do 500++ highway miles in a day's work. The last few weeks, I'm driving from Newburgh, NY to Portsmouth, NH and back.

Commuting from PA to NY is about 60 miles, then 252 miles to Port City Air in Portsmouth. EV's won't work for me, as I just don't have the time to waste. And while Port City Air has a number of chargers, they are too slow to get my back on my way home.

Kind of how mine can end up. I get about a 2 hour heads up on where I'm going. My usual location is 70 miles round trip. The next closest is 100, but I have one in particular that is 300 miles round trip. I might do that once a month. It could be once a week. I do have a preferred place to stop with chargers that I usually get something to eat on my way home. I've only used the Tesla a couple of times for work and that was if I knew for sure I would be home the same day. It's not that I would mind being gone a long time in the car, it's just that it's my wife's car and I feel bad taking her preferred method of transportation. My car is so fuel efficient that I just don't see a reason yet to spend money on a new car to go EV. I know mileage wise it would save me money overall, but it is a hint more convenient.

We did go to the Wisconsin Dells yesterday. We left home fully charged and put on about 160 miles total. Returned home at 39% charge. I didn't think that was too bad for an estimated 272 mile total range especially considering it rained for most of the highway driving and using A/C everywhere, though I don't know how much of a hit to range A/C really is. I never put any thought to it.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I’m really guesstimating my wife’s weekend use case with kids and family and her patience with the tech. We can easily drive 300 miles in a day when we visit our kids, with unpredictable stops. Yes charging can get worked in, but if it isn’t convenient to her plans or agenda, she’s not going to favor adjusting to the tech just for the sake of having it.

now if you read between the lines you’ll see where I’m being selfish. I’ve been hoping she might be interested, rather than going electric myself. I can’t justify it for how I use vehicles right now. And at the same time, I think she would love one in town, but haaate it when she travels alone.

note, we are late adopters, very much so. I am still absolutely pro EV.

In a Model Y Long Range, a 300 mile trip might require a single 10 to 20 minute charge. If you have to stop for a snack or bio-break, it can be virtually zero extra time.

 

[y_p_w]

In a Model Y Long Range, a 300 mile trip might require a single 10 to 20 minute charge. If you have to stop for a snack or bio-break, it can be virtually zero extra time.

It seems rather odd trying to time when to stop for a charge. Obviously the charge rate is a factor of the state of charge, so a top off charge for 25% early (maybe 70% to 90%) might take more time than just 25% charge later (like 25% to 50%) later.

I could see trying to arrive at a destination with a low amount of charge to try to save money - especially if there's free or cheaper charging at the destination. But then that might include range anxiety issues - especially worries about maybe being stuck in traffic. I know if I were going to a place like LA/OC, I'd be worried about being stuck in traffic needing the A/C on during a hot day. Of course if you're there and it's getting really close to 0-10%, then there's likely a place to charge nearby.

 

[UncleDave]

It seems rather odd trying to time when to stop for a charge. Obviously the charge rate is a factor of the state of charge, so a top off charge for 25% early (maybe 70% to 90%) might take more time than just 25% charge later (like 25% to 50%) later.

I could see trying to arrive at a destination with a low amount of charge to try to save money - especially if there's free or cheaper charging at the destination. But then that might include range anxiety issues - especially worries about maybe being stuck in traffic. I know if I were going to a place like LA/OC, I'd be worried about being stuck in traffic needing the A/C on during a hot day. Of course if you're there and it's getting really close to 0-10%, then there's likely a place to charge nearby.

There is a great online too called a better route planner (ABRP) that has the arrival SOC planning, so you can plan to arrive nearly empty or with a good chunk of reserve to be able to continue driving after arrival.

Anyone thinking of getting an EV should use this tool to take a look at their common route and see how its going to work out for them

EV's have incredible stamina when idling with days of reserve typically.

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

 

[y_p_w]

EV's have incredible stamina when idling with days of reserve typically.

My dad is complaining that his Model 3 is somehow losing a lot of charge just sitting in the garage. He had it charged to 100% last Sunday morning and hasn't driven it since. But it's at 74% now. I did visit yesterday and noticed that the A/C was on for whatever reason. I don't know if he turned it on with the app by mistake.

I told him that he should just leave it plugged in while in the garage because it will provide active power needs for the car's assorted subsystems without the losses from charging a battery and then converting. Someone else told him it was a bad idea.

 

[JeffKeryk]

It seems rather odd trying to time when to stop for a charge. Obviously the charge rate is a factor of the state of charge, so a top off charge for 25% early (maybe 70% to 90%) might take more time than just 25% charge later (like 25% to 50%) later.

I could see trying to arrive at a destination with a low amount of charge to try to save money - especially if there's free or cheaper charging at the destination. But then that might include range anxiety issues - especially worries about maybe being stuck in traffic. I know if I were going to a place like LA/OC, I'd be worried about being stuck in traffic needing the A/C on during a hot day. Of course if you're there and it's getting really close to 0-10%, then there's likely a place to charge nearby.

Of course it depends on where you live and where you are going. I understand I live in a bubble for Teslas; there's no need to time anything as there is likely a handy Supercharger around when I need one.

If you are going 300 miles in a day, start full, drive 200 to 250 miles, stop and charge for 10 to 20 minutes and cruise on home.
I have posted my typical Los Gatos to Petaluma run, about 190 to 200 miles depending. We have a Model 3 Mid Range. Start full and there's no charging necessary. Start with half to 3/4 charge and a 10 minute charge on the way home is sufficient.

My GS will cost me $50, my Tundra $60.

 

[UncleDave]

My dad is complaining that his Model 3 is somehow losing a lot of charge just sitting in the garage. He had it charged to 100% last Sunday morning and hasn't driven it since. But it's at 74% now. I did visit yesterday and noticed that the A/C was on for whatever reason. I don't know if he turned it on with the app by mistake.

I told him that he should just leave it plugged in while in the garage because it will provide active power needs for the car's assorted subsystems without the losses from charging a battery and then converting. Someone else told him it was a bad idea.

There is phantom drain for sure, but that isn't going to affect you in traffic.

An Ac running for 4 days will definitely hit the charge.

You are correct - he should leave it plugged in and set to the recommended normal everyday charge per his battery type which is likely 80%.

 

[Torrid]

It seems rather odd trying to time when to stop for a charge. Obviously the charge rate is a factor of the state of charge, so a top off charge for 25% early (maybe 70% to 90%) might take more time than just 25% charge later (like 25% to 50%) later.

I could see trying to arrive at a destination with a low amount of charge to try to save money - especially if there's free or cheaper charging at the destination. But then that might include range anxiety issues - especially worries about maybe being stuck in traffic. I know if I were going to a place like LA/OC, I'd be worried about being stuck in traffic needing the A/C on during a hot day. Of course if you're there and it's getting really close to 0-10%, then there's likely a place to charge nearby.

I personally like to start off fully charged from home and if I drive far enough that I need to charge at least according to Tesla's charging curve, 10%-15% state of charge will give you a the fastest possible charging. Anything below that seems to be tapered until you hit that point and then it slowly rolls off above that. I don't think I've ever had the car below 20% but if it ever becomes my daily or if I buy another and go full EV I'm sure I'll be testing the limits of this occasionally with my driving habits. I will say I feel very lucky to be able to test it occasionally without just jumping in the deep end to rely on it right away, so I'm getting some opportunity to learn more about it as I go. I now do feel ready to go full EV for my usage though. My wife loves the Model X and she has had a couple of low miles used examples catch her attention for surprisingly reasonable prices and if we decided to go that route I'd keep the Model 3 as my daily. I personally don't care for some of the dumb complexity of the Model X though her driving habits and requirements are much less demanding than mine and any issues that could arise would be mere minor annoyances for her. I'm not thrilled at the idea and even as a fairly adventurous car enthusiast I've learned a lot about brands I never thought I would consider because of her vehicle choices. That's definitely where my love of Jaguar came from. I always loved the brand but never would have considered buying one before that. I bought two of them that year and electrically they were as bad as I thought they would be. Wonderful driving experiences though. I think for the feel of the cars I don't think there's a brand I love more than Jaguar that I've personally owned.

Mine

Hers(I just realized I never took any pictures of this car myself.)

 

[y_p_w]

There is phantom drain for sure, but that isn't going to affect you in traffic.

An Ac running for 4 days will definitely hit the charge.

You are correct - he should leave it plugged in and set to the recommended normal everyday charge per his battery type which is likely 80%.

He's letting me do a lot of this stuff for him because it frankly baffles him. I'll set it to 100% for him for Sunday morning and then change it back to 90% once it's charged.

But yeah - there are losses to charging a battery and then releasing the battery power. Directly powering the electronics from a wall charger is far more efficient and I believe done without a lot of voltage conversion. When I've seen it plugged in an not charging the battery, it says it's taking 2V and very little current (says 0 A, but probably how it just rounds down). Obviously there's going to be some battery self-discharge. Also - I've gone by a few times and I hear the battery fan going off every once in a while.

I believe a lot of these EVs are trying to maintain a stable battery temperature, so they need power to do that. From a wall source (even 110-120V) should be fine for that purpose.

 

[Torrid]

He's letting me do a lot of this stuff for him because it frankly baffles him. I'll set it to 100% for him for Sunday morning and then change it back to 90% once it's charged.

But yeah - there are losses to charging a battery and then releasing the battery power. Directly powering the electronics from a wall charger is far more efficient and I believe done without a lot of voltage conversion. When I've seen it plugged in an not charging the battery, it says it's taking 2V and very little current (says 0 A, but probably how it just rounds down). Obviously there's going to be some battery self-discharge. Also - I've gone by a few times and I hear the battery fan going off every once in a while.

I believe a lot of these EVs are trying to maintain a stable battery temperature, so they need power to do that. From a wall source (even 110-120V) should be fine for that purpose.

I don't think it is set to stabilize the battery unless it's set that way. I can leave our car in the garage for 3 days off the charger and not see the battery drop 1% point. If you have any of the cabin protection systems on it will run the A/C if it gets beyond a threshold. I personally shut all this stuff off.

 

[y_p_w]

I don't think it is set to stabilize the battery unless it's set that way. I can leave our car in the garage for 3 days off the charger and not see the battery drop 1% point. If you have any of the cabin protection systems on it will run the A/C if it gets beyond a threshold. I personally shut all this stuff off.

Should probably turn off Sentry Mode.

 

[Torrid]

Should probably turn off Sentry Mode.

In the garage definitely. What I recommend doing is turning it off automatically at home. That should be an option in the sentry menu on the car. Just make sure that you set the home address in the GPS to their address and make sure you do this on all profiles on the car, both the setting and the home address, that way no matter who drives it and parks it back at home it doesn't reactivate on it's own. I didn't realize this at first until my wife pointed it out. I couldn't figure out why it kept turning on in the garage, but it happened only after I drove drove the car. I didn't have the home address saved in the GPS. Changed that and it hasn't been a problem since.

 

[y_p_w]

In the garage definitely. What I recommend doing is turning it off automatically at home. That should be an option in the sentry menu on the car. Just make sure that you set the home address in the GPS to their address and make sure you do this on all profiles on the car, both the setting and the home address, that way no matter who drives it and parks it back at home it doesn't reactivate on it's own. I didn't realize this at first until my wife pointed it out. I couldn't figure out why it kept turning on in the garage, but it happened only after I drove drove the car. I didn't have the home address saved in the GPS. Changed that and it hasn't been a problem since.

In any case, it wouldn't be draining the battery if my dad would just leave it plugged in when it's in the garage. Someone told him not to leave it plugged in, and no amount of me telling him that it will reduce parasitic battery drain will keep him from disconnecting.

 

[demarpaint]

My dad is complaining that his Model 3 is somehow losing a lot of charge just sitting in the garage. He had it charged to 100% last Sunday morning and hasn't driven it since. But it's at 74% now. I did visit yesterday and noticed that the A/C was on for whatever reason. I don't know if he turned it on with the app by mistake.

I told him that he should just leave it plugged in while in the garage because it will provide active power needs for the car's assorted subsystems without the losses from charging a battery and then converting. Someone else told him it was a bad idea.

Odd, the car doesn't sense it is not in use by something as simple as a seat belt, weight on the seat, etc. and turn the AC off after a certain time to preserve the battery? Or send an alert via the app to notify the owner the AC is on and the car hasn't moved in X amount of time. Cars with remote start will turn off after 15 minutes if accidentally started. I wonder of that can be done with the AC and other electrical draws with the Tesla when the car is sitting parked.

 

[Brons2]

I can do a 439 mile trip in an identical time as my ice vehicle on either a ccs network or a supercharger network because I never just fill up and go, but always either use the head , get a drink, or snack, and check and reply to messages.

Most guy saying they "cant do this or that" wont actually plot out and walk it through with you using a common tool like ABRP.

They say they never stop, never use the head, and never eat - but they leave out walking their dogs/ having to fill up before they leave, and when they arrive before they go back home - where the EV charges at home and at the destination in many cases.

Cujets makes sense, but most guys just doesn't.


Still waiting to see the Honda and the GM cars - the rest of the "big boys" are pretty much here but these guys.

No, you can't, if you're competing with an ICE vehicle that does not reqire a fuel stop in 439 miles

Granted, my bum does not have 439 miles of range on it, but anyway.

 

[y_p_w]

I can do a 439 mile trip in an identical time as my ice vehicle on either a ccs network or a supercharger network because I never just fill up and go, but always either use the head , get a drink, or snack, and check and reply to messages.

Most guy saying they "cant do this or that" wont actually plot out and walk it through with you using a common tool like ABRP.

There are some interesting resources available. Like free level 3 charging systems at roadside rest areas. I do wonder how busy they get. At least with Tesla's Supercharging system, there's typically real time information on how many are available and working.

https://dot.ca.gov/news-releases/news-release-2021-001​

The Level 3 DC fast chargers provide an approximate 80 percent charge in 30 minutes to EVs with fast-charging capability. The chargers have universal connectors and are able to serve all EVs on the market, including Teslas with an adapter. Charging is free with no time limit.​

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[UncleDave]

No, you can't, if you're competing with an ICE vehicle that does not reqire a fuel stop in 439 miles

Granted, my bum does not have 439 miles of range on it, but anyway.

You just listed the reason it doesnt take me any longer.

Because Im going to make the same stops I would in an ice vehicle that have nothing to do its range.

 

[UncleDave]

There are some interesting resources available. Like free level 3 charging systems at roadside rest areas. I do wonder how busy they get. At least with Tesla's Supercharging system, there's typically real time information on how many are available and working.

https://dot.ca.gov/news-releases/news-release-2021-001​

The Level 3 DC fast chargers provide an approximate 80 percent charge in 30 minutes to EVs with fast-charging capability. The chargers have universal connectors and are able to serve all EVs on the market, including Teslas with an adapter. Charging is free with no time limit.​

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check out plugshare as well.

 

[y_p_w]

check out plugshare as well.

There are all sorts of free or capped free time charging systems. I'm still trying to figure out Volta. I've seen several of their kiosks with the big video ad board. I think it's at least partially subsidized by the ads and then by the parking lot/business management. But they're owned by Shell now.

As for those ones advertised by Caltrans, some of them are apparently at Caltrans maintenance stations. It makes sense that they would make space available, but those seem like places that nobody would otherwise want to visit.

But at least they have two types of connectors. Not sure what they can do for Tesla connectors though. I don't think their Level 3 charging quite works with Teslas. But it might work depending on what kind of EV.



Here's a guy with a Bolt trying to use these along I-5. He says they're only at the southbound Tejon Pass rest area, but there's some way to access it going northbound.

 

[E365]

Officially Debuted.

Price starts in the “upper” $40,000 range.

“anticipated EPA range rating of 300 miles”

155kw peak charging.
85kwh battery

2WD and AWD models.

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-a...ith-anticipated-epa-range-rating-of-300-miles