2023 bmw m3 s58, 4000 mile bmw tpt 0w30 LL-01 FE

[forcefedS58]

Just got my results from blackstone, engine had 5200 miles on it at the time of the oil change and the oil had 4000 miles on it. I'd like to see what the oil looks like after 10000 miles as bmw recommends but not sure i want to go that far between changes since i mostly do short 15min drives to work and a few long ones across the city. Will be doing my own oil change between the free ones from bmw.
I put in motul specific ll-01 fe 0w30 this time and will sample that right before i go in for the free oil change and compare it to bmw's tpt oil.
Also should be getting the voa on that motul specific ll-01 fe 0w30 any day now.

 

[fantastic]

Looks good. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Eugenius]

Not clear, how this oil can survive 10K if it sheared below the grade after just 4K?

 

[kschachn]

Unfortunately here one has no real idea whether it mechanically sheared the VM or it has fuel dilution or it is a faulty analysis. In that regard it’s useless.

One might guess from the flash point it’s fuel dilution.

 

[edyvw]

Just got my results from blackstone, engine had 5200 miles on it at the time of the oil change and the oil had 4000 miles on it. I'd like to see what the oil looks like after 10000 miles as bmw recommends but not sure i want to go that far between changes since i mostly do short 15min drives to work and a few long ones across the city. Will be doing my own oil change between the free ones from bmw.
I put in motul specific ll-01 fe 0w30 this time and will sample that right before i go in for the free oil change and compare it to bmw's tpt oil.
Also should be getting the voa on that motul specific ll-01 fe 0w30 any day now.

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How long did you run the engine before taking the sample?

 

[wemay]

That Flashpoint points towards fuel dilution. I wouldn't go further than 5k.

 

[forcefedS58]

How long did you run the engine before taking the sample?

Maybe 5min, Oil temp was around 40c.

 

[Eugenius]

Maybe 5min, Oil temp was around 40c.

this might be the culprit, I would drive much longer to evaporate the extra fuel and retake test before attempting 10K, unless it is a lease. Your oil test says it sheared to 0W20.

 

[edyvw]

Maybe 5min, Oil temp was around 40c.

There you go. Run 10min at operating oil temperature.

 

[forcefedS58]

Ya'll change your oil at 100c? Have no intention of burning myself.

 

[kschachn]

It’s not about changing oil it’s about taking a sample for UOA that isn’t unduly skewed by operating conditions.

 

[forcefedS58]

Next time I'll try to do it at higher temps then.

 

[edyvw]

Ya'll change your oil at 100c? Have no intention of burning myself.

That is per Blackstone manual! You have to get rid of gasoline in the oil to get accurate reading. Your UOA is affected by you not fallowing appropriate procedure.

 

[KEVINK0000]

To get normalized results use the engine normally. Then take a sample right after shutdown. Walmart has thick leather gloves for just this purpose.

10 minutes or 15 is the same as 5 minutes in my opinion.

 

[addyguy]

TBN is strong after 5500 miles and with fuel in the oil; seems to be strong stuff.

 

[chris719]

I always found it odd that since API SP formulation change BMW's full SAPS dealer fill is basically mid SAPS ZDDP levels.

 

[Eugenius]

Many bmw now are PZEV, one of the reasons is to protect high efficiency cats, so they went with lower saps oil. There is a complex of reasons everyone went with weak additive packages

 

[kschachn]

Many bmw now are PZEV, one of the reasons is to protect high efficiency cats, so they went with lower saps oil. There is a complex of reasons everyone went with weak additive packages

So correspondingly they burn a lot of oil?

 

[edyvw]

Many bmw now are PZEV, one of the reasons is to protect high efficiency cats, so they went with lower saps oil. There is a complex of reasons everyone went with weak additive packages

BMW engines are using Low-SAPS oils since 2004 depending on the market. Since 2009 ALL gas engines in EU used Low-SAPS LL04. The reason they didn’t in the US was high sulphur content in gasoline.

 

[chris719]

Many bmw now are PZEV, one of the reasons is to protect high efficiency cats, so they went with lower saps oil. There is a complex of reasons everyone went with weak additive packages

This does not explain the ZDDP levels of the LL01FE oils. BMW has many low/mid SAPS standards. LL01 is the high SAPS. This engine is specified for high SAPS in North America.