2022 Silverado ZR2

[dareo]

You’d have to be mental to buy a used one without knowing how it was treated …
Another link shows a guy trashed the trans when an oil line gave way

Yeah that is a local Utah youtuber here. Small defect and it took down the whole trans. RAM took good care of him.

Lookint today like there is a bit more used TRX on the market now, so 100k and less but still well over sticker seems to be the norm. Still a huge amount of money to "sink" into one lol

 

[2EHA]

Hard to say because the used examples trading hands are going in the 120k range give or take. So if he totaled it, good luck getting insurance to agree with the insane market prices at this time. They will probably try to give him MSRP minus for miles.

120k maybe on day 1 they’re 85 max if the dealer wants to move it

 

[dareo]

120k maybe on day 1 they’re 85 max if the dealer wants to move it

Who knows? If i were to buy one today, there is one in Sandy Utah dealer ask $131,385 new on $91,385 sticker. Another new $129,995 on a $89,995 sticker. A used one $109,995 2399 miles. A few more used ones in the low 100k. Cheapest one i could drive to today and buy $94,500 with 6,668 miles. There are a lot of ads at MSRP but they are sold/preordered units left online to advertise.

Very expensive trucks!

 

[buster]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-chevrolet-silverado-zr2-first-look-serious-off-road-hardware

"Let's address the proverbial elephant in the room right off the bat: The new 2022 Silverado ZR2 is not a Ford F-150 Raptor or Ram 1500 TRX competitor. We were hoping it would be, but alas, it is not. Instead, the Silverado 1500 ZR2 joins the ranks of Ram's 1500 Rebel, Ford's F-150 Tremor, and Toyota's Tundra TRD Pro."

"The new 2022 Chevy Silverado ZR2 also earns itself the unique distinction of being the first half-ton pickup to come from the factory with both front and rear electronic locking differentials. A fan favorite from the Colorado ZR2, the addition of an electronic locking front differential greatly improves the Silverado ZR2's ability to get through the toughest off-road obstacles."

 

[skrypj]

Kinda reminds me of when the 2nd gen Lightning came out. Dodge's answer was the SRT-10, GM's was a sticker package that said "Thunder" (my aunt, who was a Chevy nut had one).

Seems long gone are the days where something like the 454SS is produced to answer what's being churned out by the competition Which is odd. GM clearly has the engines available, just look at the 'vette and Camaro.

HEY! They had the Silverado SS! Which was slow as dirt.

The Trailblazer SS guys used to point and laugh at them.

 

[skrypj]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-chevrolet-silverado-zr2-first-look-serious-off-road-hardware

"Let's address the proverbial elephant in the room right off the bat: The new 2022 Silverado ZR2 is not a Ford F-150 Raptor or Ram 1500 TRX competitor. We were hoping it would be, but alas, it is not. Instead, the Silverado 1500 ZR2 joins the ranks of Ram's 1500 Rebel, Ford's F-150 Tremor, and Toyota's Tundra TRD Pro."

"The new 2022 Chevy Silverado ZR2 also earns itself the unique distinction of being the first half-ton pickup to come from the factory with both front and rear electronic locking differentials. A fan favorite from the Colorado ZR2, the addition of an electronic locking front differential greatly improves the Silverado ZR2's ability to get through the toughest off-road obstacles."

I am on the fence about the lockers. I would rather have truetracs/torsens like Ford offers on the front of the Tremor and Raptor. I would also rather have a truetrac/torsen in the rear. While a locker is probably better in a true off-road situation, lets be serious, who the hell is taking a full-sized truck with a $60k+ price tag and a 148" wheelbase into a situation where locker is going to have a real advantage over a truetrac?

I ran Truetracs front and rear in my Jeep Liberty and it was awesome. It was a drastic improvement on the road and in the snow, and it was **** good offroad too. They are online 100% of the time and always doing their job. The only time they wouldnt is in a situation where one tire has literally zero traction, but we live in the age of modern traction control. Imagine something like Toyota a-trac or crawl control + truetracs. It would be just as powerful as a locker.

Meanwhile, I have the factory e-locker on my F150. Its annoying, it serves almost no purpose on the street except for maybe stoplight drag racing, it sucks in the snow as it induces oversteer instantly since one tire is either forced to drag or spin in a corner, and in any offroad situation I have gotten my truck into(including high centering or smashing the crap out of my running boards, it wouldn't have offered an advantage over a truetrac.

 

[buster]

I am on the fence about the lockers. I would rather have truetracs/torsens like Ford offers on the front of the Tremor and Raptor. I would also rather have a truetrac/torsen in the rear. While a locker is probably better in a true off-road situation, lets be serious, who the hell is taking a full-sized truck with a $60k+ price tag and a 148" wheelbase into a situation where locker is going to have a real advantage over a truetrac?

I ran Truetracs front and rear in my Jeep Liberty and it was awesome. It was a drastic improvement on the road and in the snow, and it was **** good offroad too. They are online 100% of the time and always doing their job. The only time they wouldnt is in a situation where one tire has literally zero traction, but we live in the age of modern traction control. Imagine something like Toyota a-trac or crawl control + truetracs. It would be just as powerful as a locker.

Meanwhile, I have the factory e-locker on my F150. Its annoying, it serves almost no purpose on the street except for maybe stoplight drag racing, it sucks in the snow as it induces oversteer instantly since one tire is either forced to drag or spin in a corner, and in any offroad situation I have gotten my truck into(including high centering or smashing the crap out of my running boards, it wouldn't have offered an advantage over a truetrac.

I'd prefer the lockers simply because I prefer to go slow over tough terrain in a controlled fashion rather than brodoze through everything. But, I hear what you're saying.

The auto locker found in the GM Canyon is too slow to engage IMO. It's reactive and takes some acceleration/slippage to engage it.

 

[wemay]

6.2 LOL

glacial acceleration for almost trx money

I hear you but i don't think everyone is interested in that in this segment. Or at least places it lower down on their list of desired features.

 

[4WD]

 

[01rangerxl]

Seems long gone are the days where something like the 454SS is produced to answer what's being churned out by the competition Which is odd. GM clearly has the engines available, just look at the 'vette and Camaro.

Funny thing about that, the 454SS wasn't really an answer to anything. It was probably the first real performance truck since the Dodge Lil Red Express tried to milk truck emissions exemptions for all they could at the end of the 70s. The Lil Red Express, based on a D-Series pickup, was the fastest new US domestic vehicle you could get in 1978. Once that was over it was nothing more than handling packages and body kits until the 454SS around 1990. I think even the Shelby Dakota was mostly trim and maybe some handling stuff. It took Ford a couple years, but when the first gen Lightning came out, it was basically as fast with a 351, and handled better. The 454SS was just a little faster if you only went straight.

 

[01rangerxl]

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They've been listening to too much of that Applebee's song with the Natty Light in styrofoam cups.

 

[01rangerxl]

HEY! They had the Silverado SS! Which was slow as dirt.

The Trailblazer SS guys used to point and laugh at them.

At the time, it was still kind of a neat offering and I think targeted at people who just couldn't make a regular cab 2WD all out performance truck work, but wanted something different from the run of the mill 1/2 tons. I think that's why it was extended cab only and offered AWD. There was also a "sleeper" version in the Sierra that had the same running gear but with plain Sierra SLT trim, chrome and all.

 

[clinebarger]

Kinda reminds me of when the 2nd gen Lightning came out. Dodge's answer was the SRT-10, GM's was a sticker package that said "Thunder" (my aunt, who was a Chevy nut had one).

Seems long gone are the days where something like the 454SS is produced to answer what's being churned out by the competition Which is odd. GM clearly has the engines available, just look at the 'vette and Camaro.

GM had the Silverado SS ('03-'06), With a High Output LQ9 6.0L, 4L65E trans, 38/62 split AWD NV149 transfer case, And a 9.5" 14 bolt rear diff.

I installed A LOT of Magnuson Radix blower kit's on these along with a few Magnuson MP112 blower kits, They had one thing that the Lightning & SRT-10 lacked.....Traction, Especially with Drag Radials on all 4 corners.

Not sure if the SS was sold in Canada though? The "Chevy Thunder" sticker package sounds hilarious

 

[02SE]

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I'll bet it sounded good, while spinning the tires.

 

[clinebarger]

HEY! They had the Silverado SS! Which was slow as dirt.

The Trailblazer SS guys used to point and laugh at them.

The factory Silverado SS PCM calibration was pretty weak as was it's very small camshaft, A custom grind, Valve Springs, Set of lightly ported "243" cylinder heads, Gen IV intake & throttle body, And a custom tune goes a long way.

Let's not forget that Trailblazers are piles of crap & V8 ones are VERY difficult to work on. I replaced quite a few TBSS engines because it's sorry oil pan design......Calls for something like 24 hours labor. Silverado SS calls for under half that.
A/C Compressor....4.1 hours, Silverado SS calls for 1.6 hours.
Fan Clutch.....3 hours vs 1/2 hour on a Silverado SS. '05/'06 Silverado SS's had electric fans. On a related note.....The cooling system on a Silverado SS can handle A LOT more power than a TBSS.

Just about everything was like this when compared to each other.....I guess that would be okay if the TBSS was more durable/reliable than a Silverado SS, Unfortunately....GMT360's don't hold a candle to GMT800's.

 

[GMBoy]

You could not floor the pedal from a stop light. It would spin and engage traction control. You had to be a bit careful applying the throttle. This was with the 8 speed, the heavier 2016 chassis, and about 200lb added from my expensive BDS lift and diamondback tonneau cover. Pulling out of a gas station or something where your wheels are not straight the wheel spin was easy at part throttle. The engine sounded amazing and felt like it had great power. The fuel economy was also very good for what it was. On a good day at 70 mph you could get an honest 20 mpg. This is with the 35 12.50 20 michelin tires. lift, and a black bear ECU tune for the tire size and whatever else they do for a stock tune on them.

So from my ownership experience (69k-79k miles) i can say that the gen V 6.2 is a fantastic performer and very efficient.

Now why would the Hellcat TRX get way worse MPG?

1. Hellcat is Port Injected and 9.5:1 compression. The N/A L87 6.2 comes in at 11.5:1 with direct injection resulting in greater efficiency.

2. Supercharger creates some drag. In the most fair comparison, GM LT4 vs LT1 engines, the LT4 gives up 4 MPG combined in the Camaro 10 speed platform. Even with 5.7 and 6.4 N/A RAM VS GM comparisons the GM small blocks usually win by 1-2 mpg.

3. TRX is REALLY BEEFY in construction, frame, ect. It weighs around 1,000lbs more than a typical GM and ford half ton.

4. GM is 10 speeds vs 8 speeds in the ram, this might not add up to much at all but something of a fuel save.

5. No cylinder deactivation, i see this as a huge pro to the Hellcat for durability but in gas mileage terms its a penalty. If i was on a flat level road at 35-40 mph in the 2016 6.2, it would go V4 and produce 35+ mpg real time fuel economy readings. At 3.1 liters and low enough speeds that drag wasn't a big deal, i believe it. The computer MPG was always very close to hand calculated at least on my truck.

6. Overall Power of the TRX, as you floor a 700hp engine it will burn a lot more fuel than a 420hp one. Being more fun and literally faster you are much more likely to over acccelerate and hit brakes more.

Anectodally, many people have reported bad MPG in the TRX and nobody is surprised.

So it would be very interesting to have a direct long distance comparison between the TRX and this new ZR2 but my guess is the GM would beat it by about 25%. 10 city hellcat vs 12.5 city ZR2. If the hellcat is getting 14 highway the ZR2 might get 17.5 right next to it at the same speed. Just my guesses as to what a real world side by side might be.

While i am pulling numbers out of my [hat] lets suppose two people buy the trucks and own them for exactly 100k miles doing the same driving. Some city, highway, towing, desert fun and offroading, and my 25% estimate is accurate. Assigning a lifetime average to a TRX might be 12 MPG and 15 mpg for the ZR2. 8333 gallons in the TRX, lets say $4 a gallon lifetime average price gets you to $33,333. If the ZR2 can average 15 in the same use thats only 6666 gallons $26,666 dollars. That is between 6 and 7 grand per 100k miles of use, not a huge deal for someone affording a new expensive truck, but its something.

TRX may never reach sitting on the lot for sale with a discount to MSRP status but the Silverado will. If the TRX stays low volume and hard to buy for less than 120k then all this discussion is useless.

Cost and MPG aside, the TRX will be the best truck at a few things. 1. Desert running, obviously, it is the king. 2. Being cool/showy/fast.

The ZR2 will exceed at being a well rounded vehicle that can offroad well and low and moderate speeds. It will be a truck you will use for everything and not need to be so concerned about it being collectible or rare or anything like that.

It comes down to, are you buying a toy or a well rounded vehicle? I think outside of a some fun romps in the dirt and possibly getting some tickets on the street the fun factor of the TRX will wear off and you'll just be hauling the extra weight and pumping the extra gas. The real winners here are those who originally ordered the TRX, had their fun, and flipped it into this crazy market.

Excellent reply - I see your valid points. I must add that I do like the 6.2L.

 

[skrypj]

The factory Silverado SS PCM calibration was pretty weak as was it's very small camshaft, A custom grind, Valve Springs, Set of lightly ported "243" cylinder heads, Gen IV intake & throttle body, And a custom tune goes a long way.

Let's not forget that Trailblazers are piles of crap & V8 ones are VERY difficult to work on. I replaced quite a few TBSS engines because it's sorry oil pan design......Calls for something like 24 hours labor. Silverado SS calls for under half that.
A/C Compressor....4.1 hours, Silverado SS calls for 1.6 hours.
Fan Clutch.....3 hours vs 1/2 hour on a Silverado SS. '05/'06 Silverado SS's had electric fans. On a related note.....The cooling system on a Silverado SS can handle A LOT more power than a TBSS.

Just about everything was like this when compared to each other.....I guess that would be okay if the TBSS was more durable/reliable than a Silverado SS, Unfortunately....GMT360's don't hold a candle to GMT800's.

Oh I won’t argue with you, the TBSS is a steaming pile of crap. But it was a decently quick steaming pile of crap. My dads 9-7X Aero ran a 13.6 quarter bone stock with a crappy 2.1 second 60’. With stall it moves out hard.

He has also replaced half the truck at the point and it still barely runs.

Anything can be fast with mods.

 

[UncleDave]

6.2 LOL

glacial acceleration for almost trx money

what is the acceleration?

 

[OVERKILL]

Funny thing about that, the 454SS wasn't really an answer to anything. It was probably the first real performance truck since the Dodge Lil Red Express tried to milk truck emissions exemptions for all they could at the end of the 70s. The Lil Red Express, based on a D-Series pickup, was the fastest new US domestic vehicle you could get in 1978. Once that was over it was nothing more than handling packages and body kits until the 454SS around 1990. I think even the Shelby Dakota was mostly trim and maybe some handling stuff. It took Ford a couple years, but when the first gen Lightning came out, it was basically as fast with a 351, and handled better. The 454SS was just a little faster if you only went straight.

I probably could have worded that better, but the 454SS and 1st gen Lightning were more of the game Ford and GM were playing in the '80's and 90's with the F-body and the Fox, which spilled over into the truck market with the 454SS, answered by the 1st gen Lightning. The LSx cars came out and lay a beating on the 4.6L Mustangs (even the 32V Cobras) and that's when we ended up with the Termi. Ford came out with the 2nd gen Lightning (and the Harley truck) but GM didn't answer the challenge (unless you count the Silverado SS? but that's kinda like what this thread is about with the ZR2) and then Dodge brought the SRT/10 just to make things stupid. The "Thunder" sticker package was just hilarious.

We are basically seeing that all over again now with the Raptor and TRX and GM bringing the ZR2, which isn't really competition for those two.

On the "Thunder" sticker package, I've only managed to find a couple of pictures:

That one is clearly modified. My aunt's looked like this one (pictures are crap):

 

[4WD]

I probably could have worded that better, but the 454SS and 1st gen Lightning were more of the game Ford and GM were playing in the '80's and 90's with the F-body and the Fox, which spilled over into the truck market with the 454SS, answered by the 1st gen Lightning. The LSx cars came out and lay a beating on the 4.6L Mustangs (even the 32V Cobras) and that's when we ended up with the Termi. Ford came out with the 2nd gen Lightning (and the Harley truck) but GM didn't answer the challenge (unless you count the Silverado SS? but that's kinda like what this thread is about with the ZR2) and then Dodge brought the SRT/10 just to make things stupid. The "Thunder" sticker package was just hilarious.

We are basically seeing that all over again now with the Raptor and TRX and GM bringing the ZR2, which isn't really competition for those two.

On the "Thunder" sticker package, I've only managed to find a couple of pictures:

That one is clearly modified. My aunt's looked like this one (pictures are crap):

Agree - don’t think the ZR2 Silverado was meant to complete in that extreme sector …
I know 40 something people who hunt often - already drooling over the lockers … That is plenty motor to swiftly tow big ATV‘s and other supplies to camp … (I-10 West = hammer down or bust) …