2022 Camry UOA HPL 5w30 No VII

[6.7 CTD]

Here is the UOA from my wife’s 2022 Camry 2.5 AWD. The vehicle was purchased with 40k miles on it. Carfax showed 10k mile OCI’s were completed at the dealer. I am unsure if they used 0w16 or 0w20 (suspect bulk 0w20). I ran this oil for approximately 4,200 miles (HPL 5w30 No VII). A fram endurance oil filter was used as well for reference. (Vehicle now has HPL 0w30 premium plus in it).

 

[fantastic]

Silicon is a bit higher than averages but the good news is it didn't seem to affect the engine much if at all. BS flagged the viscosity which I thought was one of the reasons folks used no VI (to reduce visc. shearing)? I don't know what it starts out at though & maybe the Premium Plus will fare better for your next run. Regardless, if your car specs xw-20 then viscosity is still higher than that w/more life left on that oil. Wear appears very low & is a reminder that these Toyota's earned their low wear reputation. Thanks for sharing your Camry UOA!

 

[Brons2]

Just as we always suspected, Xw30 works fine in apps calling for 0w20 and even 0w16.

8.7 TBN, run it longer. A lot longer.

 

[kschachn]

Silicon is a bit higher than averages but the good news is it didn't seem to affect the engine much if at all. BS flagged the viscosity which I thought was one of the reasons folks used no VI (to reduce visc. shearing)? I don't know what it starts out at though & maybe the Premium Plus will fare better for your next run. Regardless, if your car specs xw-20 then viscosity is still higher than that w/more life left on that oil. Wear appears very low & is a reminder that these Toyota's earned their low wear reputation. Thanks for sharing your Camry UOA!

There’s no way for a “no-VII” oil to experience mechanical shear in an ICE. If this sample is truly exhibiting a low viscosity, that is either because it starts out low, Blackstone’s viscosity measurement is faulty, or because there is fuel dilution that Blackstone is unable to measure. Likely one or both of the last two.

 

[6.7 CTD]

I only ran this for such a short oci due to the potential cleaning properties reported by some. I plan to run the next oci’s longer. As far as the viscosity, I assume it is from the previous fill being 0w16 or 0w20. I had noticed a similarly lower viscosity, on a previous vehicle uoa, changing from 0w20 to 5w30. I will have more info on the next uoa.

 

[twX]

Silicon is a bit higher than averages but the good news is it didn't seem to affect the engine much if at all.

Virgin HPL usually has at least 12 ppm Si, so I wouldn't be at all concerned about 25 ppm on this UOA.

 

[6.7 CTD]

This is the example I was referencing in regard to lower than anticipated viscosity.

 

[6.7 CTD]

Virgin HPL usually has at least 12 ppm Si, so I wouldn't be at all concerned about 25 ppm on this UOA.

Good info thank you!

 

[Patrick0525]

Without any evidence of fuel dilution running a stout product with a high TBN like the HPL oils for 5K OCI is a waste of money and effort. Dave from HPL recommends changing the filter every 5K and the oil every 10k.

 

[6.7 CTD]

Without any evidence of fuel dilution running a stout product with a high TBN like the HPL oils for 5K OCI is a waste of money and effort. Dave from HPL recommends changing the filter every 5K and the oil every 10k.

Yes agree and am aware; however, it was the first change with HPL for this vehicle and I did not use the EC prior to this. I’ve used HPL products in several vehicles, thanks.

 

[fantastic]

Virgin HPL usually has at least 12 ppm Si, so I wouldn't be at all concerned about 25 ppm on this UOA.

Agreed, I need to remember that some of these products start out with a bit higher Si.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Silicon is a bit higher than averages but the good news is it didn't seem to affect the engine much if at all. BS flagged the viscosity which I thought was one of the reasons folks used no VI (to reduce visc. shearing)? I don't know what it starts out at though & maybe the Premium Plus will fare better for your next run. Regardless, if your car specs xw-20 then viscosity is still higher than that w/more life left on that oil. Wear appears very low & is a reminder that these Toyota's earned their low wear reputation. Thanks for sharing your Camry UOA!

Guaranteed this No VII didn’t shear any measurable amount. Any viscosity issues here are due purely due to dilution, end of story.

 

[DirectRejection]

I will keep an eye on this, looking for "wear issues."

Pretty soon it will be down to 0W16 level.

This poster is having a good chuckle at the viscosity freakout.

Thanks for posting, OP.

Let's see what happens with HPL PP 0W30 !

 

[kschachn]

Without any evidence of fuel dilution running a stout product with a high TBN like the HPL oils for 5K OCI is a waste of money and effort. Dave from HPL recommends changing the filter every 5K and the oil every 10k.

It is unfortunate, but with the method Blackstone uses to estimate fuel dilution there is really no way to know if it is occurring or not. That value they give has been shown to be wildly inaccurate in previous reports posted here.

TBN retention isn't directly related to fuel dilution. TBN is impacted by mixed sulfur oxides and water from combustion. Fuel dilution with no VII will only cause a reduction in viscosity which is shown by this analysis.

 

[buster]

I'd encourage people to use another lab. You really need a more accurate fuel measurement along with oxidation and TAN to get a more complete picture. B/S labs is arguably a waste of time and money.

 

[6.7 CTD]

Thanks and I agree with you. In previous posts I noted the use of this particular lab for achieving vehicle averages. I have a sample kit from oil analyzers ready, and waiting, for the next sample to determine any fuel dilution. Also, I truly don’t think fuel dilution is the issue as I stated above. This is engine is both port and direct injected. In fact, I don’t think there are any issues at all currently. The slightly low viscosity is likely due to the remaining 16 or 20 weight imo. But, I won’t assume and will wait for the next analysis for confirmation from the lab who can confirm, confidently, any potential fuel dilution. That will be the proof.

 

[DirectRejection]

No VII vs Premium Plus.
A25A-FXS.
Must see TV.

 

[Bill7]

Just as we always suspected, Xw30 works fine in apps calling for 0w20 and even 0w16.

8.7 TBN, run it longer. A lot longer.

I totally agree. I only use 5W-30 due to it's higher HTHS.

 

[6.7 CTD]

New uoa with HPL 0w30 premium plus posted as promised - viscosity looks better on 0w30 sample and fuel dilution is 2.1% - leads me to believe that the leftover 0w16/0w20 was the cause of the decreased viscosity in this 5w30 sample as suspected…

 

[Triple_Se7en]

If this is the 2.5 DOHC engine, you could have run this oil forever.....lol