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[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL

I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.


What year was your M5?

 

[RooflessVW]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.

That's the difference between big ol' single piston calipers and proper multi-piston clampers.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL

I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger.

Agree. The Brembos on my SRT are incredible.

 

[edyvw]

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I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.

The brakes on your M5 were designed 25 years ago. I would say technology and know-how progressed. Also, those top of the line German cars use also Brembo, and today pretty much across the board. As far as I remember on E39 M5 one could fit 18" wheel too.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by OVERKILL

I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.


What year was your M5?


2001.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by edyvw
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I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.

The brakes on your M5 were designed 25 years ago. I would say technology and know-how progressed. Also, those top of the line German cars use also Brembo, and today pretty much across the board. As far as I remember on E39 M5 one could fit 18" wheel too.


18" wheels were standard on the car, yes. Yes, everybody chasing performance has generally switched to Brembo, because they are pretty much the benchmark for brake performance. I believe in 2001, when BMW was putting their own brakes on the M5, GM was putting Brembo's on the Corvette, Ford was using PBR on the Mustang GT, and 13" ones (PBR) on the Cobra.

I don't believe it distills out as simply as Euro cars universally use better brakes, is my point.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by edyvw
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I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.

The brakes on your M5 were designed 25 years ago. I would say technology and know-how progressed. Also, those top of the line German cars use also Brembo, and today pretty much across the board. As far as I remember on E39 M5 one could fit 18" wheel too.


18" wheels were standard on the car, yes. Yes, everybody chasing performance has generally switched to Brembo, because they are pretty much the benchmark for brake performance. I believe in 2001, when BMW was putting their own brakes on the M5, GM was putting Brembo's on the Corvette, Ford was using PBR on the Mustang GT, and 13" ones (PBR) on the Cobra.

I don't believe it distills out as simply as Euro cars universally use better brakes, is my point.

I would say generally Euro cars are much better in braking. That is especially true in 1990's. Except few exceptions, regular Euro cars were posting excellent brake results back than. I had 1996 OPEL Vectra that was doing 36.5m from 100km/h with engine of 136hp.
Also, Brembo or not on Vette in 1990's, I highly doubt t was doing better than M3, M5 or Porsche 911.
Today other manufacturers caught up too. Brake manufacturers like Akebono figured out they need to invest much more to provide products on par with ATE, TMD or Brembo. That is why they are providing brakes for F1 Mercedes.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by edyvw
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I'm going to disagree with you here. The brakes my M5 were not as good as the big Brembo's on my Charger. The Jeep has incredible brakes, big 6-piston callipers up front, also Brembo. They also from rather short lifespan, but the performance is astonishing.

The brakes on your M5 were designed 25 years ago. I would say technology and know-how progressed. Also, those top of the line German cars use also Brembo, and today pretty much across the board. As far as I remember on E39 M5 one could fit 18" wheel too.


18" wheels were standard on the car, yes. Yes, everybody chasing performance has generally switched to Brembo, because they are pretty much the benchmark for brake performance. I believe in 2001, when BMW was putting their own brakes on the M5, GM was putting Brembo's on the Corvette, Ford was using PBR on the Mustang GT, and 13" ones (PBR) on the Cobra.

I don't believe it distills out as simply as Euro cars universally use better brakes, is my point.

I would say generally Euro cars are much better in braking. That is especially true in 1990's. Except few exceptions, regular Euro cars were posting excellent brake results back than. I had 1996 OPEL Vectra that was doing 36.5m from 100km/h with engine of 136hp.
Also, Brembo or not on Vette in 1990's, I highly doubt t was doing better than M3, M5 or Porsche 911.
Today other manufacturers caught up too. Brake manufacturers like Akebono figured out they need to invest much more to provide products on par with ATE, TMD or Brembo. That is why they are providing brakes for F1 Mercedes.


I wonder if regulatory* changes in car design forced manufacturers to use 18" rims or larger which had the knock on effect of increasing the demands of the braking system?

* Euro pedestrian impact guidelines.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
I wonder if regulatory* changes in car design forced manufacturers to use 18" rims or larger which had the knock on effect of increasing the demands of the braking system?

* Euro pedestrian impact guidelines.

What is the relationship between rim size and pedestrian safety?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
I wonder if regulatory* changes in car design forced manufacturers to use 18" rims or larger which had the knock on effect of increasing the demands of the braking system?

* Euro pedestrian impact guidelines.

What is the relationship between rim size and pedestrian safety?



EU pedestrian impact standards resulted in taller hood lines which in order to visually balance the design of the vehicle necessitates larger wheel wells and by extension larger wheels. So now that you have larger wheels, they're not only heavier but have a lot of open space. Larger rotors provide better braking and from a cosmetic perspective fill in some of that space. My WAG.

 

[Andrew1972]

Originally Posted by NewEnglander
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are going to join the VW family.

Busy few days ahead but will see about posting some pictures in about a week .

I just got borrowed a VW Passat loaner from dealer and tempted by one as replacement due to the massive depreciation VW suffers. Some great deals on these vehicles slightly used.

 

[NewEnglander]

Originally Posted by madRiver
Originally Posted by NewEnglander
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think we are going to join the VW family.

Busy few days ahead but will see about posting some pictures in about a week .

I just got borrowed a VW Passat loaner from dealer and tempted by one as replacement due to the massive depreciation VW suffers. Some great deals on these vehicles slightly used.

You're not kidding. I couldn't believe it as this car new is MSRP nearly 30K and we are getting it for less than half that.

In these parts Bill Belichick is the master of discovering market inefficiencies when it comes to NFL talent. I'm wondering if VW if that for the automotive world right now.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted by NewEnglander

You're not kidding. I couldn't believe it as this car new is MSRP nearly 30K and we are getting it for less than half that.

In these parts Bill Belichick is the master of discovering market inefficiencies when it comes to NFL talent. I'm wondering if VW if that for the automotive world right now.


I think it depends on how you define value. My family has taken the jump on a few VWs the last 5-6 years. They are nice cars and on the used market they are a great value when looking at purchase price but they are still finicky. They still have batches of bad water pumps, bad coils, etc. I think if you like to dump cars at 100k miles, they will be ok with only slightly above average repair costs in that time. Most issues are almost always bad enough they fail in the warranty period which obviously doesn't cost you anything.

If you like to work on cars, they are great. There is always something to do on them.