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[BucDan]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by BucDan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Have you ever seen VW, BMW, Mercedes engine inside that used Castrol, any Castrol?
I know I haven't, that's why I listen to others that may have and of course, take it with some salt for the food for thought. Can't exactly write off someone's experiences, but it's ok to call BS on it as well.

If that's all you want then I've seen it a lot. My old BMW has had Castrol 0W-40 nearly exclusively its whole life, some OCIs of Mobil 1 a while back but generally Castrol. I've posted pictures of the valve train here when I changed out the cover gaskets, and it looks spotless. Same for the view down the fill hole, there is no visible varnish or anything. The chains look like shiny metal.


Duly noted. Then your word goes against the guy's above. Granted, your experience is actually in a car's engine block itself. Thanks. I assume you use Castrol for all of your other cars as well?

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by BucDan
Thanks for the read. I'm not a Mobil 1 guy, just a preference.

They've kept updating the Mobil 1 formulation a lot -- first the SM - SN transition to Visom Group III+ + POE + modern additive pack, friction modifier, and VII, then the non-FS SN - FS SN transition to GTL + POE -- but the Castrol's formula stays somewhat outdated, even though I believe they've finally updated from the obsolete SL to SN.

I doubt Castrol can beat Euro Mobil 1 products (FS and ESP) in cleaning because Euro Mobil 1 products contain POE, and I know at least Castrol 0W-40 A3/B4 does not contain POE. Some people specifically look for POE around here. Nothing beats POE in engine cleaning, especially if your engine is already dirty due to neglect. However, as others said, if your engine is already clean, you probably won't notice much difference between Mobil 1 and Castrol or even Mobil 1 and some cheap conventional oil.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by BucDan
Thanks for the read. I'm not a Mobil 1 guy, just a preference.
They've kept updating the Mobil 1 formulation a lot -- first the SM - SN transition to Visom Group III+ + POE + modern additive pack, friction modifier, and VII, then the non-FS SN - FS SN transition to GTL + POE -- but the Castrol's formula stays somewhat outdated, even though I believe they've finally updated from the obsolete SL to SN.

I doubt Castrol can beat Euro Mobil 1 products (FS and ESP) in cleaning because Euro Mobil 1 products contain POE, and I know at least Castrol 0W-40 A3/B4 does not contain POE. Some people specifically look for POE around here. Nothing beats POE in engine cleaning, especially if your engine is already dirty due to neglect. However, as others said, if your engine is already clean, you probably won't notice much difference between Mobil 1 and Castrol or even Mobil 1 and some cheap conventional oil.

What a bunch of unsubstantiated opinion. I appreciate your technical posts on subjects but when you just post nonsense like this it makes me doubt the accuracy of your other posts.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by kschachn
What a bunch of unsubstantiated opinion. I appreciate your technical posts on subjects but when you just post nonsense like this it makes me doubt the accuracy of your other posts.

What part of it is unsubstantiated?

 

[wemay]

How Mobil1 sees it....

 

[Gokhan]

It's very interesting that they show their M1 FS 0W-40 A3/B4 as being better for combatting sludge and deposits than their M1 ESP 5W-30 VW 504.00, while the Lubrizol relative-performance comparison-tool spider chart, which I usually consider to be worthless, shows completely the opposite.

Mobil Super Euro = Castrol Euro

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by wemay
The only car he really cares about is his 1968 Firebird which gets Driven motor oil. Go figure.

My ex-neighbor has a fully restored yellow convertible 1967 Firebird he has owned since his glory days. It's an understatement to say he is totally obsessed with it!

Never mind smog -- its exhaust is so incredibly noxious that it smells like it's going to poison you in a minute

, and according to him, it's hard to keep it from veering off the road, but he loves that dirty old machine!

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by wemay
The only car he really cares about is his 1968 Firebird which gets Driven motor oil. Go figure.

My ex-neighbor has a fully restored yellow convertible 1967 Firebird he has owned since his glory days. It's an understatement to say he is totally obsessed with it!

Never mind smog -- its exhaust is so incredibly noxious that it smells like it's going to poison you in a minute

, and according to him, it's hard to keep it from veering off the road, but he loves that dirty old machine!


Haha! Sounds like Mark's soulbrother.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by BucDan
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by BucDan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Have you ever seen VW, BMW, Mercedes engine inside that used Castrol, any Castrol?
I know I haven't, that's why I listen to others that may have and of course, take it with some salt for the food for thought. Can't exactly write off someone's experiences, but it's ok to call BS on it as well.

If that's all you want then I've seen it a lot. My old BMW has had Castrol 0W-40 nearly exclusively its whole life, some OCIs of Mobil 1 a while back but generally Castrol. I've posted pictures of the valve train here when I changed out the cover gaskets, and it looks spotless. Same for the view down the fill hole, there is no visible varnish or anything. The chains look like shiny metal.


Duly noted. Then your word goes against the guy's above. Granted, your experience is actually in a car's engine block itself. Thanks. I assume you use Castrol for all of your other cars as well?

I asked this question the guy above (Gokhan).
And the guy above never seen in his life any European engine opened, disassembled. Actually, I highly doubt he has seen any engine being opened and worked on.
Please ask these kind of questions in European Vehicle forums. You will get first hand experience answers.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by kschachn
What a bunch of unsubstantiated opinion. I appreciate your technical posts on subjects but when you just post nonsense like this it makes me doubt the accuracy of your other posts.

What part of it is unsubstantiated?

All of it!

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Gokhan
What part of it is unsubstantiated?
All of it!

That question was directed to kschachn, not you. Everything I said was entirely substantiated, and I wanted to know what he was questioning.

Originally Posted by edyvw
Actually, I highly doubt he has seen any engine being opened and worked on.

In your head you have an alternate picture of me as usual, from another multiverse. I have threads about my major engine work. Did you do any major work on an engine? For some reason I doubt it because you always sound more like a driver than a tech-inclined person, but if so, prove me wrong and let's see your threads.

Stop judging and forming unsubstantiated opinions on people. That's because you are completely wrong all the time. It's as black-and-white as it gets how different your perception and reality are. The only thing I know about you is that you are a die-hard fan (probably a gross understatement in your case) of German cars and Euro oils (probably the only die-hard "Euro-oil fan" on BITOG). I don't assume anything about you beyond that. Stop acting like you know anything about me.

Wonders of valve-stem oil seal replacement

Rebuilding the Toyota Aisan carburetor

 

[BucDan]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
It's very interesting that they show their M1 FS 0W-40 A3/B4 as being better for combatting sludge and deposits than their M1 ESP 5W-30 VW 504.00, while the Lubrizol relative-performance comparison-tool spider chart, which I usually consider to be worthless, shows completely the opposite.

Mobil Super Euro = Castrol Euro

That last statement is pretty bold. Saying Castrol's Euro line of oil can only compete with M1's budget Euro oil.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by BucDan
Originally Posted by Gokhan
It's very interesting that they show their M1 FS 0W-40 A3/B4 as being better for combatting sludge and deposits than their M1 ESP 5W-30 VW 504.00, while the Lubrizol relative-performance comparison-tool spider chart, which I usually consider to be worthless, shows completely the opposite.

Mobil Super Euro = Castrol Euro

That last statement is pretty bold. Saying Castrol's Euro line of oil can only compete with M1's budget Euro oil.

That one was a joke.

However, there are so many Castrol Euro oils that they vary in quality greatly. Some such as Castrol 0W-30 A3/B4 and Castrol 0W-40 A3/B4 are of proven quality. Their Group-III-based Euro oils like Castrol 5W-40 A3/B4? Meh. Indeed they are probably similar in quality to the Group-III-based Mobil Super Euro 5W-40 -- why shouldn't they be? -- even though Castrol doesn't distinguish the quality with "1" or "Super" in their oil brand names.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Gokhan
What part of it is unsubstantiated?
All of it!

That question was directed to kschachn, not you. Everything I said was entirely substantiated, and I wanted to know what he was questioning.

Originally Posted by edyvw
Actually, I highly doubt he has seen any engine being opened and worked on.

In your head you have an alternate picture of me as usual, from another multiverse. I have threads about my major engine work. Did you do any major work on an engine? For some reason I doubt it because you always sound more like a driver than a tech-inclined person, but if so, prove me wrong and let's see your threads.

Stop judging and forming unsubstantiated opinions on people. That's because you are completely wrong all the time. It's as black-and-white as it gets how different your perception and reality are. The only thing I know about you is that you are a die-hard fan (probably a gross understatement in your case) of German cars and Euro oils (probably the only die-hard "Euro-oil fan" on BITOG). I don't assume anything about you beyond that. Stop acting like you know anything about me.

Wonders of valve-stem oil seal replacement

Rebuilding the Toyota Aisan carburetor

Agin, TGMO and Prius.
And, all of it is unsubstantiated.
I mean do whatever, just please do not give advice to people to come here with good intentions.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Agin, TGMO and Prius.
And, all of it is unsubstantiated.
I mean do whatever, just please do not give advice to people to come here with good intentions.

This is just childish and absurd.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Agin, TGMO and Prius.
And, all of it is unsubstantiated.
I mean do whatever, just please do not give advice to people to come here with good intentions.

This is just childish and absurd.

Actually you are right, since that Mobil1 SM and SN thing, this thread ventured into absurdity.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Actually you are right, since that Mobil1 SM and SN thing, this thread ventured into absurdity.

The only problem here is your childish attacks. Your first reply to me in this thread was "Forgive Gokhan, he is new to Euro oils." Then you kept insisting that I didn't know the difference between the original M1 0W-40 SN formula and the M1 FS 0W-40 SN formula, even after I posted the link to the three-year-old thread in which both of us were talking about the FS formula change. Keep it not personal, question concrete claims -- such as when I talk about the presence or absence of polyol ester (POE) in the base oil -- and then we will have a useful discussion instead of this meaningless bickering.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Actually you are right, since that Mobil1 SM and SN thing, this thread ventured into absurdity.

The only problem here is your childish attacks. Your first reply to me in this thread was "Forgive Gokhan, he is new to Euro oils." Then you kept insisting that I didn't know the difference between the original M1 0W-40 SN formula and the M1 FS 0W-40 SN formula, even after I posted the link to the three-year-old thread in which both of us were talking about the FS formula change. Keep it not personal, question concrete claims -- such as when I talk about the presence or absence of polyol ester (POE) in the base oil -- and then we will have a useful discussion instead of this meaningless bickering.

Again, just do not give advices. Post tables, talk whatever, just do not give advices.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Again, just do not give advices. Post tables, talk whatever, just do not give advices.

The childish personal attack continues.

You never stop your vitriol, do you?

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by edyvw
Again, just do not give advices. Post tables, talk whatever, just do not give advices.

The childish personal attack continues.

You never stop with your vitriol, do you?

I am not attacking you. Your posts say enough, and no need to bring additional light to that.
I just do not want unsuspecting member taking seriously bogus recommendations.