2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost Oil

[jmw116]

Hello BITOG !

I do not claim to be an expert on oils, but I do enjoy reading these forums and trying to educate myself.

Looking at used oil analysis of other ecoboost engines it appears they are very hard on oil. My engine is the newer 2.7L and seems to be a lot less abusive on oil. Never less I am not sure how I feel about 10K OCI on a turbo engine......

My question is what would be the better oil for this engine and why? 5w30 is the spec and as we know the OLM would probably place it @ 10K. Truck has 15K on it now and I am torn between the magnetec and edge, edge is $2 more. Really the only used oil analysis to go off of is 1 guy using the Magnetec and another using Valvoline, both of which looked very good.

Castrol Magnetec -- Semi syn $2 cheaper than edge
Castrol Edge -- Noticed shift from Calcium to magnesium recently

Am open to running M1 as well but really not a fan boy of it.
PP is not longer stocked at my local Walmart, so lets count that out from the suggestion list.

 

[OneEyeJack]

Among those oils there is no bad choice and there probably is no "best" choice other than someone's personal opinion. Pick one and choose a good time to do a used oil analysis and be more concerned about the OCI that suits your situation.

Question. Does the 2.7 motor really perform as advertised and what is the mileage like when using the power?

 

[SR5]

Castrol Magnatec 5W30 semi-synthetic is producing great used oil analysis with the 3.5L EcoBoost, see below.

I would expect the Edge to do just as well, if you wanted to pay a few $ more.

Originally Posted By: SR5

According to J300 a 30 grade oil has a viscosity (at 100C) of between 9.3 and 12.5cSt, while a typical ILSAC 30 grade oil would have a viscosity of 10 to 11 cSt.

From the used oil analysis section:
2016 F150 with 3.5L Ecoboost, Mobil 1 5W30 at 5557 miles, KV100 = 8.16cSt
2014 3.5L Ecoboost, Mobil 1 5W30 at 4591 miles, KV100 = 7.48 cSt

2012 F150 Ecoboost, Magnatec 5W30 at 9000 miles, KV100 = 9.65 cSt
2013 F150 Ecoboost, Magnatec 5W30, as series done by KJSmith
9961 miles, KV100 = 10.29 cSt
9108 miles, KV100 = 9.20 cSt
9278 miles, KV100 = 10.26 cSt

There is less shear on the Castrol, even after more miles than the Mobil 1.

REF:
Castrol Magnatec 5W30
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4317342/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4313455/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4016791/

Mobil 1 5W30
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4331505/
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4311903/


Thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4336793/

 

[Camprunner]

Run Castrol Magnatec for 5,000 OCI then wait until around 15k then get a used oil analysis. I would be willing to bet it will show real good numbers. I would never go 10,000 miles unless I was putting the miles on non stop. Stick with 5-6,500 OCI. Just my opinion.

 

[Kruse]

I wouldn't sweat it too much if you don't extend the miles. My mom has a 2.0 Taurus Ecoboost with over 80K miles and it's doing fine with no problems yet other than a replaced water pump.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

jmw116, you might be interested in this thread and the Infineum article that has a link in the first post.

Quenching LSPI

The latest evidence I have seen is that Castrol largely shifted from a calcium/magnesium detergent mix to a mid-calcium formulation with little magnesium a year or two ago. The higher SAPS Euro formulations will contain more ZDDP, which probably helps keep LSPI tamed. I haven't heard as much about LSPI problems in Fords as I have about certain Hyundai, Subaru (my FXT was recalled for LSPI), and Chevy engines, although you can certainly find Ecoboost owners online who think their vehicle is prone to it. GF6 and dexos1:2015 will contain LSPI tests, but that's not much help right now.
AFAIK, all the Mobil 1 5W30s before AP are low calcium, so I have been running those. AP is so new that I haven't seen any analyses of it, and XOM doesn't seem to want to share much info about it.
Good luck!

 

[Danno]

If it was my 2.7L i would change the oil at 5,000 miles and use the 5w30 Castrol Magnatec.

The lengthy timing chains used on DOHC cam V-design engines just seem to do a great job of shearing oil.
DI adds its own set of oil, fuel dilution issues.

Most manufacturers want the engine to live past warranty and then they walk away - I like to keep my vehicles well past warranty.

 

[tcruise]

Here is my used oil analysis on Valvoline Maxlife full synthetic ran for ~7k miles in my 2.7.

 

[CT8]

I am thinking of trying the Full Synthetic Maxlife or the Castrol 0w40 on my 2.7.They seem to do well on semi syn oils though.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I would not use another oil with Ti additive. I had run Edge gold bottle, and it had excellent cold start and warmup performance, though the viscosity seemed to be much thinner than what the engine wanted. (test mule is: unbiquitous 2.5L Nissan DOHC with mechanical SUB inverted buckets - like the somewhat older mid 2000 Toyota engines) I had run magnetec SS 5w30 the prior OC with excellent results. Magnetec gives up about 1.5MPG combined and does not exhibit good winter warmup performance on this notoriously noisy engine)
The engine had a terrible time going to the magnetec additive package after the Ti Edge D-package. After the switch-back, the Nissan engine became so noisy for a couple months - I thought is was going to mechanically fail!

I would run magnetic during break-in, and if you go Castrol syn after breakin - stay with it forever.

You could also run Quaker State Ultimate Durability during breakin. This oil wasn't clean enough for the sticky Subaru chain tensioners though for long term usage. This wwas the formulation prior to RDS using GTL base stocks. Its WAS a nice oil though.

 

[53' Stude]

Originally Posted By: jmw116
Hello BITOG !

I do not claim to be an expert on oils, but I do enjoy reading these forums and trying to educate myself.

Looking at used oil analysis of other ecoboost engines it appears they are very hard on oil. My engine is the newer 2.7L and seems to be a lot less abusive on oil. Never less I am not sure how I feel about 10K OCI on a turbo engine......

My question is what would be the better oil for this engine and why? 5w30 is the spec and as we know the OLM would probably place it @ 10K. Truck has 15K on it now and I am torn between the magnetec and edge, edge is $2 more. Really the only used oil analysis to go off of is 1 guy using the Magnetec and another using Valvoline, both of which looked very good.



Castrol Magnetec -- Semi syn $2 cheaper than edge
Castrol Edge -- Noticed shift from Calcium to magnesium recently

Am open to running M1 as well but really not a fan boy of it.
PP is not longer stocked at my local Walmart, so lets count that out from the suggestion list.

Ignore arcographites advice as he's blown many engines up early. I think tomcruise used oil analysis on Maxlife Synthetic says a lot of good. I vote that or Magnatec 5w30 blend

 

[53' Stude]

Magnatec blend 5w30 or Maxlife Full Synthetic 5w30

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: tomcruise
Here is my used oil analysis on Valvoline Maxlife full synthetic ran for ~7k miles in my 2.7.


Good TBN of 4.4 after 7K miles, who says Valvoline can't go the distance ? Not me. I'm happily using SynPower right now.
Decent viscosity retention too, it's still in grade at KV100 = 9.47 cSt.

Still hard to good past Magnatec 5W30 iron wear numbers at about 1.5 ppm Fe per 1000 miles. But this is based on the 3.5L EcoBoost.

My comfort zone would extend to an 8K mile OCI.

 

[Onug]

I would stay away from M1, but try out either of the two you suggested. Any way you go, run a ~5,000 cycle and do a used oil analysis to confirm results. There are lots of good oils , but I wouldn't feel comfortable running a full cycle without first confirming the oil and engine are happily married.

 

[MaximaGuy]

Originally Posted By: Onug
do a used oil analysis to confirm results.


Bad suggestion, there are tons of F series owners, the can provide direction on good oils for that specific engine. No used oil analysis is needed, save that money and come up with an OCI that you can live with.

 

[jmw116]

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Among those oils there is no bad choice and there probably is no "best" choice other than someone's personal opinion. Pick one and choose a good time to do a used oil analysis and be more concerned about the OCI that suits your situation.

Question. Does the 2.7 motor really perform as advertised and what is the mileage like when using the power?


The 2.7 eco boost does perform as advertised! It gets 18 around town and 24-26 on the highway depending on the speed. It tows my 3500lb boat with ease and the truck is an absolute blast to drive in sport mode. Traded in my 5.3L silverado for this girl and will NEVER go back to chevy. Night and day difference. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds or a [censored] cat sipping fuel.

Thank you for the input guys!

I have no interest in extending the OCI of a turbo engine.. with that said how much is a used oil analysis going to tell me with 5K changes?

One would expect the Edge and Magnetic to perform the same at 5K OCI? I do not mind spending a few extra $$ for fully syn oil.

I live in Texas, 100 degree summers with 100% humidity is the working environment of this truck. I also tow a boat just about every weekend during the summer.

It is hard for me to wrap my head around using a semi-synthetic in such a high stressed/high temp engine with turbos on it. Oddly they are priced $2 different for the 5QT jug and $2 per QT. SO a total of $4 more to run fully synthetic.

It appears to me the semi-synthetic holds it viscosity better than the edge, but the edge has a better additive package. Preference?

 

[Onug]

Originally Posted By: MaximaGuy
Originally Posted By: Onug
do a used oil analysis to confirm results.


Bad suggestion, there are tons of F series owners, the can provide direction on good oils for that specific engine. No used oil analysis is needed, save that money and come up with an OCI that you can live with.


Since I am an F series owner...oh, never mind. To each their own.

 

[OneEyeJack]

Amazing performance. If Ford can pull this off, the mileage and power and survive in the process then I'm really impressed. See the details in my used oil analysis posting for the working conditions and mileage with my 4.7 V8 4Runner. The only way I'd see 24 miles per gallon would be with driving off a cliff. You can also see how Red Line oil is performing. The towing is sometimes with horses and the roads are sandy and bumpy so the engine is working hard for it's living. The ambient temps are often just a bit above 110F but the humidity is 20-40% at most. I use to live in Katy so I know what it's like to have both moderately high temps but with humidity at 90% or higher.


Originally Posted By: jmw116
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Among those oils there is no bad choice and there probably is no "best" choice other than someone's personal opinion. Pick one and choose a good time to do a used oil analysis and be more concerned about the OCI that suits your situation.

Question. Does the 2.7 motor really perform as advertised and what is the mileage like when using the power?


The 2.7 eco boost does perform as advertised! It gets 18 around town and 24-26 on the highway depending on the speed. It tows my 3500lb boat with ease and the truck is an absolute blast to drive in sport mode. Traded in my 5.3L silverado for this girl and will NEVER go back to chevy. Night and day difference. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds or a [censored] cat sipping fuel.

Thank you for the input guys!

I have no interest in extending the OCI of a turbo engine.. with that said how much is a used oil analysis going to tell me with 5K changes?

One would expect the Edge and Magnetic to perform the same at 5K OCI? I do not mind spending a few extra $$ for fully syn oil.

I live in Texas, 100 degree summers with 100% humidity is the working environment of this truck. I also tow a boat just about every weekend during the summer.

It is hard for me to wrap my head around using a semi-synthetic in such a high stressed/high temp engine with turbos on it. Oddly they are priced $2 different for the 5QT jug and $2 per QT. SO a total of $4 more to run fully synthetic.

It appears to me the semi-synthetic holds it viscosity better than the edge, but the edge has a better additive package. Preference?

 

[Onug]

Originally Posted By: jmw116

I have no interest in extending the OCI of a turbo engine.. with that said how much is a used oil analysis going to tell me with 5K changes?


My Explorer 3.5 NA, F-350 V10 and GMC Duramax factory recommended OCI's all aligned with my Blackstone results. However, my 3.5 EB is the first engine to appear to be more finicky on oil and not aligned to Ford's recommended OCI. My first used oil analysis (4,4xx miles) showed the M1 was running thin, but the engine wasn't blowing fuel into the oil. Other used oil analysis on this forum show significant fuel dilution in 5K miles and oil performance varying by brand. There are also a few members that run a full OCI (8K miles+) and seem to be doing quite well. I suggest doing some searchs here on the forum and reviewing other's results. These engines are definitely a "your results may vary" kind of motor.

 

[jmw116]

I have noticed the 3.5 EB engines are very tough on oils and have a tendency to sheer the viscosity down. None of the sheering appears to be an issue, as Ford now calls for 5W30 over the 20 wt it initially used. Wear numbers never look bad on these engines.

The 2.7 is a completely different animal and there are only a few used oil analysis to go off of on here. Magnatec is one that has been shown and does very well. No way to know if its the magnatec or just that particular engine in general thats easier on oils.

Cost aside

Edge
OR
Magnatec