2016 Chrysler 300S v6 1 year review

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by Ws6

So basically, 3 vehicles that were out of warranty, and one of them was a real lemon... Your batting average is a lot lower than you initially represented, the way I see it.


5 out of warranty. So 80% then. Doesn't change the fact the rest have been problem free so far

But hey, if they ever do I'll be sure to post here for you to say "I told you so!" because I'm sure anytime I post something not absolutely bashing a Chrysler you'll be there.


Yes, in the famous words of Michael Jackson:

 

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by Ws6

So basically, 3 vehicles that were out of warranty, and one of them was a real lemon... Your batting average is a lot lower than you initially represented, the way I see it.


5 out of warranty. So 80% then. Doesn't change the fact the rest have been problem free so far

But hey, if they ever do I'll be sure to post here for you to say "I told you so!" because I'm sure anytime I post something not absolutely bashing a Chrysler you'll be there.


Yes, in the famous words of Michael Jackson:

 

[dishdude]

No one wants to be like the bitter guy that would post in every Chrysler thread about his 1964 Dart.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by dishdude
No one wants to be like the bitter guy that would post in every Chrysler thread about his 1964 Dart.

Is there another bitter Chrysler guy? Lol. My 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee was a joke, and the patients I have had tell me about theirs, even the new ones, don't tell me much better stories.

 

[KrisZ]

If a Chrysler makes it to 200k miles and there is no one to post about it, is it still unreliable?

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by KrisZ
If a Chrysler makes it to 200k miles and there is no one to post about it, is it still unreliable?


It's a machine. Some are good. Some are bad. Chrysler just makes more bad one's than anyone but Tesla and Landrover and Mini, most years, based on empirical data.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by KrisZ
If a Chrysler makes it to 200k miles and there is no one to post about it, is it still unreliable?


It's a machine. Some are good. Some are bad. Chrysler just makes more bad one's than anyone but Tesla and Landrover and Mini, most years, based on empirical data.

And yet, they can't keep making Jeeps fast enough. The Grand Caravan outsells everything combined in the minivana market and the 300 is the last true modern muscle car.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by KrisZ
If a Chrysler makes it to 200k miles and there is no one to post about it, is it still unreliable?


It's a machine. Some are good. Some are bad. Chrysler just makes more bad one's than anyone but Tesla and Landrover and Mini, most years, based on empirical data.

And yet, they can't keep making Jeeps fast enough. The Grand Caravan outsells everything combined in the minivana market and the 300 is the last true modern muscle car.


Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"

Indeed.

I wonder if the Caravan has its oil cooler issues figured out? I was thinking about getting one but I got cold feet when I was told to only buy new & to make sure to get the lifetime warranty. And to not expect too much! I still think they are a good value, and they'd serve me well, but the regulars here gave me pause. I'd probably get one if I wreck my truck but until it goes away I probably will hold off.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by Ws6
Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"

Indeed.

I wonder if the Caravan has its oil cooler issues figured out? I was thinking about getting one but I got cold feet when I was told to only buy new & to make sure to get the lifetime warranty. And to not expect too much! I still think they are a good value, and they'd serve me well, but the regulars here gave me pause. I'd probably get one if I wreck my truck but until it goes away I probably will hold off.


Most people I know who buy them, buy them because they have a bunch of kids and they also lack the ability to afford anything nicer, and the Caravan is the cheapest tool that will perform the job of hauling their gaggle around. That's how most minivans happen, Caravans, especially, as they are about 75% the cost of similar models from Toyota and Honda when you buy them used. Bought new, they're just a horrible decision typically made by someone who will either as you say get a lifetime warranty and drive it until the kids are out of highschool, or a delusional soccer mom who becomes trapped in one because they bottom out in value like crazy.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted by Ws6


Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"


Yeah, but when the discussion shifts to Toyota and Honda, the sales numbers are always wheeled out as proof of their superior relaibility.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by KrisZ
Originally Posted by Ws6


Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"


Yeah, but when the discussion shifts to Toyota and Honda, the sales numbers are always wheeled out as proof of their superior relaibility.



Not by me. I wheel out PPH and TrueDelta and CR, and so forth.

 

[StevieC]

You can do a re-learn on the Electronic Throttle Control. We had to do it on my dad's van as I think there is some wear in his after 300K. Was like a whole new vehicle. Possible your calibration is just out, easy to do with the right scan-tool that supports it. Might also fix the kick-down lag on the highway you are experiencing.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by Ws6
Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"

Indeed.

I wonder if the Caravan has its oil cooler issues figured out? I was thinking about getting one but I got cold feet when I was told to only buy new & to make sure to get the lifetime warranty. And to not expect too much! I still think they are a good value, and they'd serve me well, but the regulars here gave me pause. I'd probably get one if I wreck my truck but until it goes away I probably will hold off.

They are reinforced better now... Although my dad has the original one with the pressure relief spring in the center tube with the original filter design. It is still original after 300K and not leaking because we didn't crank the snot out of it. That's the key. I think a lot of failure are driven boobs at oil change places he-man tightening them down when all you have to stop is when it bottoms out. The O-Ring on the housing seals the top to the bottom not strength. Don't forget they are using this engine in many models that they produce a ton of so...

 

[Skippy722]

I had one guy tell me how awful is Sienna is, but then tell me why I would buy that rattle trap anyway. Our van doesn't rattle at all. And I didn't get suckered into paying the Toyota tax!

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Skippy722
I had one guy tell me how awful is Sienna is, but then tell me why I would buy that rattle trap anyway. Our van doesn't rattle at all. And I didn't get suckered into paying the Toyota tax!


I reviewed a Sienna on here. I would NEVER own one, it was awful. Both my MOPAR products are miles better assembled than that rolling pile of sheep dung.

Regarding cost, neither of my vehicles were cheap

 

[supton]

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by Ws6
Because they are cheap, and cheap things usually sell in higher volume than more expensive things, regardless of their actual value. It's like saying "McDonalds is good! Look how many burgers they sell!"

Indeed.

I wonder if the Caravan has its oil cooler issues figured out? I was thinking about getting one but I got cold feet when I was told to only buy new & to make sure to get the lifetime warranty. And to not expect too much! I still think they are a good value, and they'd serve me well, but the regulars here gave me pause. I'd probably get one if I wreck my truck but until it goes away I probably will hold off.

They are reinforced better now... Although my dad has the original one with the pressure relief spring in the center tube with the original filter design. It is still original after 300K and not leaking because we didn't crank the snot out of it. That's the key. I think a lot of failure are driven boobs at oil change places he-man tightening them down when all you have to stop is when it bottoms out. The O-Ring on the housing seals the top to the bottom not strength. Don't forget they are using this engine in many models that they produce a ton of so...

Fair enough. TBH I preferred the Caravan over the current Sienna (didn't drive the Odyssey as I don't care much for Honda's) and would prefer one for all the driving dynamics save one*. Even if it meant leaving my beloved Toyota behind.

[*They did something really odd with the brake pedal height--it's like a foot off the floor or something. After driving only Toyota's for a few years it stood out and in a very bad way.]

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by supton
Nice review.

Originally Posted by Skippy722
The 300 replaced my 2011 Durango Citadel AWD with the 5.7 HEMI. The Durango was great, but I beat that thing HARD the first year I owned it because I was young and dumb. Every year something broke... water pump (turned out to be a huge issue on 2011-2017 models), the brake booster failed (recall), the fuel pump went out at about 75k, the AC compressor seized and shredded the clutch, and the oil drain bolt seized into the pan. Turns out they have plastic oil pans, and yes it was torqued to spec. Thing had a brass looking bung that the bolt screwed into it. After the oil pan fiasco, we decided it needed to go, especially since it averaged 15-16mpg.

You sure those problems are from driving it hard? None of that sounds like user error to me. I'd want to dump a car like that too, regardless of how I drove it.

Agreed. I have and only will ever have, owned 1 Chrysler product. Basically, they are an MB for poors. You get 90% of the features, and 180% of the headache, at 50% the cost, and 0% of the brand prestige. I got suckered by that formula, and no more. Terrible experiences.

That might be the dumbest thing ever posted on this forum.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted by Ws6
I have and only will ever have, owned 1 Chrysler product. Basically, they are an MB for poors. You get 90% of the features, and 180% of the headache, at 50% the cost, and 0% of the brand prestige. I got suckered by that formula, and no more. Terrible experiences.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this message board. You do realize my SRT stickered for more than most Mercedes vehicles that don't say "AMG" on them, right? And even some that do. I know numerous people worth many millions of dollars that drive FCA products because they choose to. Some of them also own Mercedes, Aston Martin, Lamborghini. Heck, one of them just bought a Koenigsegg and owns 5 Vipers, 5 Corvettes, two AMG coupes and a G-wagon. He also bought a Grand Cherokee Trackhawk last year, before that, he had the sibling to my SRT, same year, bought at the same time.

I've actually cross-shopped Mercedes and BMW, have you?

 

[GZRider]

You seem to go through a lot of cars, if you have the money to do so and enjoy that process that's certainly your prerogative. If the reason you are going through cars like oil is they are wearing out prematurely due to your lead foot and the vehicles poor design then maybe don't buy another from FCA or a used first year biturbo engine from KIA Hyundai of German inspiration and Korean manufacture with an unknown long term reliability. Especially from a company currently having their engines sometimes catch on fire for no apparent reason.