Typical rookie error Pablo.Amsoil doesn't recommend 25K mile OCI on those engines so, not sure what your point is.
Typical rookie error Pablo.Amsoil doesn't recommend 25K mile OCI on those engines so, not sure what your point is.
What?
You're sitting here reading a UOA that shows that not only was this oil good for such an extended drain interval, but in fact, it shows signs that it could've kept going. How are you reading that and still claiming that it's Amsoil's "BS marketing"? It's funny, I've gone to their site and don't see anything about "unicorn tears" or blending with "magical" properties, just information regarding it's ability to extend intervals and reduce wear. I can't speak for the reduced wear, but this UOA should show that they're probably telling the truth regarding extended intervals.
Don't disagree. However, that has nothing to do with the point I was making.It‘s a Toyota 1GR-FE. Something like Mobil1 EP will likely hold up in a similar manner. Those engines are NOT picky and definitely not hard on oil.
Amsoil doesn't recommend 25K mile OCI on those engines so, not sure what your point is.
1. I don't have either of those engines, but I see what you're aiming at. The thing is, however, that it has nothing to do with the engine oil, rather the dilution issues inherent in those issues. I don't see how an engine diluting an oil is the fault of the lubricant, and neither does it take away from the qualities of the lubricant itself. It's on the vehicle owner to educate themselves on the capabilities of their engine, set realistic goals for OCI length, use a lubricant up to the task, and use available tools to monitor engine health.
2. Again, you're in a thread showing how in the right application, Amsoil's engine oil meets its claim of extended intervals. You've yet to post anything to substantiate your claims that their marketing of extended intervals is "B.S.".
3. At the end of the day, this really has nothing to do with this UOA, and while a conversation absolutely could be had regarding extending OCIs in different engines, maybe it belongs in its own thread.
You can't call out Amsoil for "marketing B.S." and claiming to be blended with magic and unicorn tears, then try to claim that you weren't "trying to knock Amsoil by any means". That actually just doesn't make any sense.I wasn't trying to knock AMSOIL by any means. However, I wish they would make an effort to better educate the public about everything they need to know about long drain intervals. Their competitors don't do it. They just slap some marketing on their jugs and a bunch of small print disclaimers at the bottom so that they're not held liable when things don't work out. I believe that it would work in AMSOIL's favor do create some content, maybe a video or two and explain to people what they should and shouldn't do. I get that they're trying to offer some value to customers in exchange for their money because AMSOIL Signature Series is a bit more expensive. That being said, longer drain intervals aren't the only reason to buy AMSOIL SS motor oil. If I would use it, and I might actually use it in my HEMI, it's for the low NOACK and high-quality base oils (PAO+Ester) and the decent additive package that it comes with, and not to try and go 25,000 miles on an oil change. Also, the Fram Ultra was an excellent filter choice. While a Purolator BOSS filter might feel heftier and look flashier on the outside, I believe that the Fram Ultra offers better filtration. Just my two cents.
You can't call out Amsoil for "marketing B.S." and claiming to be blended with magic and unicorn tears, then try to claim that you weren't "trying to knock Amsoil by any means". That actually just doesn't make any sense.
It's not Amsoil's job to teach every person about their specific vehicles. All they can do, as well as any other lubricant manufacturer, is market what their product is capable of and put disclaimers that extended intervals may not always be the right choice. This isn't just an Amsoil thing, it goes for every lubricant manufacturer that produces an extended drain interval oil.
At the end of the day, this was an excellent report, making full use of a very capable lubricant. Regardless of whatever issue you have with the lubricant (you seem to both think it's a great oil and yet full of marketing b.s.), the oil and filter performed admirably in this application over an interval that most on here would even think about approaching.
Lets put this to bed first: AMSOIL Signature Series oils are some of the best you can currently buy, and probably for a very long time. They are formulated using PAO and Esters and that's about as good as it gets for motor oils. I'm no chemical engineer, but it sure beats Group III oils. You pay more and you get a high-quality oil. I'm also not knocking this UOA, it's awesome, good engine built on proven technology using a simple design will yield good results.
I am, however knocking AMSOIL's marketing. And not just theirs, but also Mobil 1 and Castrol. I hate it when oil companies make it sound like they made their oils using unicorn tears and only their oil will do miracles for your engine. Some of the TV commercials for Mobil 1 Annual Protection and Extended Performance are ridiculous, while Castrol made some downright obnoxious ads. My point was that while I don't expect any miracles from the likes of Castrol or Mobil 1, I expect better from AMSOIL because they do offer a superior product. It would be nice if they told customers how they can achieve long OCIs and what they can expect if they have a newer small-displacement turbo engine for example. I do use their ATF and gear lube and it is good stuff.
Here is another example of misleading marketing by AMSOIL:
First, they talk about how their oil helps prevent LSPI, then they claim that they double the industry engine test cycle with their oil ... using a 3.6L Pentastar engine. That engine is a classic port-injected, naturally aspirated, low compression ratio engine. It has nothing to do with LSPI. If this isn't deceptive marketing, I don't know what is. Just watch the video.
I didn't say it's just an AMSOIL thing. However, what you are saying is that it's okay to be deceptive. As far as I know, only in North America are engine oils marketed for certain drain intervals. It's like, don't worry about the sump size, engine technology, whatever, just use it for X amount of miles. Certainly, you won't see this kind of marketing in Europe for example. Gee, I wonder why...
I have no issue with the lubricant, as I believe it's an excellent product. I have an issue with the marketing because it might mislead those who don't know any better and might attempt to recreate this extended drain interval in the wrong application. I have explained this before. It's an excellent UOA, the results are great. Unfortunately, more and more vehicles are shipped with tiny direct-injected engines or sub 2.0L turbocharged engines with tiny oil capacities. So, if you stumbled on this thread while researching Mobil 1 Extended Performance or Castrol Extended Performance and you wonder if you can go 20,000 miles on one of those oils in your 1.5 Turbo Honda or 1.6 Turbo Sonata or 1.5 Turbo Chevy then the answer is a resounding NO! If you own a port-injected V6 or V8 engine that was properly broken in and has no oil burning issues and is running nice, then the answer is still NO, you shouldn't do that using Mobil 1 or Castrol. You should use AMSOIL for that and a high-quality oil filter. And if you're going for that extended OCI, don't short trip your vehicle too often, use quality gasoline, and try to do as many highway miles as possible. I hope that this clears things up. Thank you.
The Sequence IIIH engine test is run on only one engine, the Chrysler 3.6 Pentastar. Every lube that undergoes this test, does so on this engine.
Regardless, and this is the last thing I'm going to say about this because it's clearly not getting through, it's just strange that you pick this thread to launch on a tirade about marketing, when this thread proves that Amsoil's marketing isn't just "B.S.".
Extended intervals can be run in properly manufactured, running and tuned vehicles. If your engine is fragile or has manufacture defects then extended intervals may not be a good idea. Its also not recommended to do so with a severe service application. Being a member on this forum for 17 years I don't think I have come across a extended interval with M1 or Amsoil that has caused engine damage if the engine wasn't defective to begin with.