Did the shop recommend replacement of all of those parts or did you tell them to replace them ?Used OEM parts as much as possible. $3,100 all in.
Did the shop recommend replacement of all of those parts or did you tell them to replace them ?Used OEM parts as much as possible. $3,100 all in.
We chose a vehicle with a timing belt because for us, we wanted to stay with VW. They have a history of timing CHAIN issues, which cost thousands to replace all associated parts. VW moved to a belt for the 1.4 TSI due to ongoing issues with their chain design. No complaints from me. We will see how it holds up long term, but there are many 1.4 TSI's with over 150K on the original belt running just fine.
These aren't the same t-belts from the 90's that you replace every 60K.
I'd rather have a timing belt with a scheduled replacement than a "maintenance free" chain.Timing belts are the absolute worst, I'll never own another timing belt engine again unless it is non-interference. The only major repair I've ever had was a stupid timing belt failure...bearing on the idler pulley froze. Why buy something with a built in $1K repair early in the vehicle's life?
I'd rather have a timing belt with a scheduled replacement than a "maintenance free" chain.
There are random failures with both systems but with the timing belt you at least know it needs to be changed at a certain time.
With a timing chain, the lifetime is finite but undetermined. They're also more expensive to repair because they're not designed to be replaced as normal maintenance.
So instead of a $1500 belt job, you have a $4k+ chain job with the engine out. Or maybe not. But you might.
My 2007 Honda Accord SE with a 2.4 had a maint free chain....I just traded it in with 386000 on it...No issues with the chain or the entire engine...Ill take the maint free chain anyday...IMOI'd rather have a timing belt with a scheduled replacement than a "maintenance free" chain.
There are random failures with both systems but with the timing belt you at least know it needs to be changed at a certain time.
With a timing chain, the lifetime is finite but undetermined. They're also more expensive to repair because they're not designed to be replaced as normal maintenance.
So instead of a $1500 belt job, you have a $4k+ chain job with the engine out. Or maybe not. But you might.
Right.. We will see how it holds up long term,
Do I have to answer that question? The shop recommended the service; they did not mention all the parts separately.Did the shop recommend replacement of all of those parts or did you tell them to replace them ?
Must be my experience with German autos. The belts are not too bad to change.Unless a chain has a design flaw, it will last the life of the vehicle. Belts are a built in failure that need to be replaced on a regular interval along with all the associated timing components. Not for me, but that's why there are options out there.
How many miles on the Tesla? Years? You don’t have a comparison yet….Compared to zero for the Tesla, it sounds horrible!
That is certainly a viable path. Reality is that we have only very early knowledge of how cells age and degrade with time. What we do know is that time and temperature both and independently degrade the cells, pressures of small, volatile hydrocarbons rise, and the potential for a number of failure scenarios are more likely.I am not too worried about that, because, all the experts say that the Model 3 will self combust well before any issues arise, right? That's what all the data shows, right?
They recommended all of that but didn't recommend oil pump(area) seals. Those are way more likely to leak on a J-Series than the crank and cam seals. (IE they are GOING to leak, question is, when....and you have to take the timing area back apart again to replace them.)Do I have to answer that question? The shop recommended the service; they did not mention all the parts separately.
That’s just not true. They do wear, and the appropriate approach is to check the degree of timing misalignment regularly. A replacement chain or an offset woodruff key is the appropriate repair. And before that we need to consider tensioners, rails, guides, sprockets, etc.Unless a chain has a design flaw, it will last the life of the vehicle. Belts are a built in failure that need to be replaced on a regular interval along with all the associated timing components. Not for me, but that's why there are options out there.
You’ve got a point assuming that quality parts are used. You know you’ve re-baselined to have all components’ timing set correctly and everything right.I'd rather have a timing belt with a scheduled replacement than a "maintenance free" chain.
There are random failures with both systems but with the timing belt you at least know it needs to be changed at a certain time.
With a timing chain, the lifetime is finite but undetermined. They're also more expensive to repair because they're not designed to be replaced as normal maintenance.
So instead of a $1500 belt job, you have a $4k+ chain job with the engine out. Or maybe not. But you might.
Frankly, given the cost of new vehicles, talking or complaining about a $1k timing belt, or $3k of maintenance for something that will go many more miles after actually doing a repair, seems silly. Especially for the utility that a vehicle like an odyssey offers. It would take what, three teslas to meet the same capacity of one odyssey?
Probably not, unless yours develops the somewhat common timing cover leak.Would a Sienna at 6 years and 125k miles need $3k in "normal" expected maintenance repairs? Sienna seems like a valid direct comparison vehicle.
Given that our close friends bought a sienna at the same time we got our odyssey…. I’d say that if not $3k in repairs, then certainly a lot of failed parts and leaks.Would a Sienna at 6 years and 125k miles need $3k in "normal" expected maintenance repairs? Sienna seems like a valid direct comparison vehicle.
The Honda dealer here charges 1K for the timing belt change inc all parts and serpentine belt and labor. It is not a difficult job on these 5 hrs if you run into the usual rust belt crap 3 hrs if its clean like where you live.My niece's '15 Odyssey EX-L hit 125K and was time for a major service. @The Critic offered to help, but ultimately took it to a good shop in Santa Cruz, CA where she is staying. The alternator took a dump; it was time to move. The VC gaskets were shot; oil was everywhere on the engine passenger side.
Wendy used my old Tundra to shuffle the kids around. Everybody loves (wants) this truck...
Timing Belt Service
Alternator
Valve Cover and Plenum Gaskets
Radiator Hoses
Serpentine Belt
Thermostat
Right Side Engine Mount
Tensioner Assembly
Crankshaft Seal
Camshaft Seal
Coolant and Oil
Used OEM parts as much as possible. $3,100 all in.
I am starting to think our Tesla is a better way to go...
Sorry Jeff, but I have a feeling you will be doing the alternator job again…Thanks to all who posted. As my niece is a single Mom with 2 sets of twin girls, I am thankful to get this work completed.
Her wonderful Odyssey has served them well and she depends on it to "keep the wheels on."
Wendy and the girls are a bright spot in my life. All good.
When I see the Oddy, I will keep an eye out for leaks. And it only cost me $3,100, right? Sheesh...Sorry Jeff, but I have a feeling you will be doing the alternator job again…