2015 Mazda 6 oil filter

[C1KLTX]

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For instance, a "6607" type filter by Wix (which is the 51358) specs a 8 psi by-pass valve setting. The 57002, which is the Skyactiv specific filter, has a by-pass valve setting of 11-14.


The 57002 would be the correct filter for that as you said. I would use only the OEM/WIX filter.

http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=57002

Just some interesting information: The WIX Cross-reference for the 51358 is the FRAM 6607/7317. The WIX uses a 8 PSI bypass and the FRAM uses a 13 PSI. And according to Rockauto, the filters they have listed for the 2015 6 is Wix 57002, ACdelco PF1237, MOTORCRAFT FL793, MOBIL 1 M1108, Beck/Arnley 0410862.

 

[C1KLTX]

Couldn't edit in time but meant the say the WIX 51356 is the cross-reference for the 6607 not the 51358.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Upon further inspection, it does appear that even though Wix doesn't specify the 2014 6 as skyactive, it is. As now noted the previous 'Wix' 6 application has bypass psi 8-11, the 57002 11-14. As bypass events are rare and of short duration, imo similar to the redesigned Honda Wix, the base plate design change is the major difference.

Again though, as Fram and Puro list the 6607 and 14612 respectively for Mazda skyactive, I'd be confident with either.

You and JBinTX30 bring up very good points that I was not aware of.

The 6607 has a by-pass relief setting of 13 psi, and the L14612 is 14-18. So both of these should be adequate for the skyactiv application.

However, what does this mean for the other applications that do not require a setting this high? Is there an advantage or a disadvantage to having a higher by-pass relief setting? Would the Wix's 8-psi setting be preferable in certain instances?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
However, what does this mean for the other applications that do not require a setting this high? Is there an advantage or a disadvantage to having a higher by-pass relief setting? Would the Wix's 8-psi setting be preferable in certain instances?


Shouldn't have to worry about what the bypass setting is on any oil filter that is specified by the manufacture for that specific vehicle.

The filter's bypass setting IMO is based more on the characteristics of the oil filter than the characteristics of the engine's oiling system. However, if a manufacturer designed a filter to fit 50 different vehicles, they should design the filter to satisfy the engine with the most demanding specs; ie, highest oil flow/oil viscosity factor which is the main engine factor that causes delta-p across the filter. Combining that with the flow characteristics of the filter will determine the required bypass setting.

If a vehicle with less demanding oiling system specs use that filter, then the higher bypass setting will not hurt, and in fact will give even more headroom away from bypass events on an engine that doesn't cause as much delta-p across the filter due to less oil pump volume and/or less oil viscosity.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: sayjac


Looking at previous 6's, Wix also calls for the 57002 in the 2014 which according to their description is not sykactive. So the idea that it was created just for the 2015 model doesn't appear correct. However in 2013 the 6's filter is the 51348 linked below. It's base plate design looks very similar to or the same as the previous Honda filter (51356) which is discussed in the quote above along with the reason for the change of base plate configuration.


The Wix filter was first created for the 2012 Mazda 3 and 2013 Mazda 5, not 2015. The 2014 Mazda 6 has a skyactiv engine. Not sure why you are making up statements now. In 2012 there are separate filters by wix for the Skyactiv vs non-skyactiv model. If you look up the Wix filter for the skyactiv engines, it does NOT have any other applications other than Mazda Skyactiv engines. It was a BRAND NEW filter made specifically for the skyactiv, NOT for 2015 Mazda 6 specifically.

Please stick to the facts.

 

[Sayjac]

No need to get snarky about it. If you read my follow up post, which apparently you did not, you will see I made a correction/addendum regarding the 2014 Mazda 6 being skyactive after looking further into it. However, the quote is based on Wix's own look up which doesn't list the 2014 6 as skyactive. Fact.

So the 57002 was introduced with the new baseplate configuration same as the newer Honda and other applications with the updated baseplate design. Fact.

As I said, and it was agreed on by another member, I do believe the small difference in bypass psi to be significant. Rather, it is the baseplate design change for better thread engagement and seal, which I'm repeating because it was left out of the quote again that I believe to be the major change in the 57002. And also this is a Wix design specific change having nothing to do with other manufacturers application.

So, I do not agree that just because Wix had to change the baseplate configuration on several different filter applications, and that change included making a new Mazda application the conclusion that Fram and Puro's 6607 and 14612 are not the correct and acceptable applications. Just as the Honda 7317 and 14610 didn't change for their Honda applications, the Mazda spec listing for both other manufacturers is correct and I'd be confident using either.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
No need to get snarky about it. If you read my follow up post, which apparently you did not, you will see I made a correction/addendum regarding the 2014 Mazda 6 being skyactive after looking further into it. However, the quote is based on Wix's own look up which doesn't list the 2014 6 as skyactive. Fact.

So the 57002 was introduced with the new baseplate configuration same as the newer Honda and other applications with the updated baseplate design. Fact.

As I said, and it was agreed on by another member, I do believe the small difference in bypass psi to be significant. Rather, it is the baseplate design change for better thread engagement and seal, which I'm repeating because it was left out of the quote again that I believe to be the major change in the 57002. And also this is a Wix design specific change having nothing to do with other manufacturers application.

So, I do not agree that just because Wix had to change the baseplate configuration on several different filter applications, and that change included making a new Mazda application the conclusion that Fram and Puro's 6607 and 14612 are not the correct and acceptable applications. Just as the Honda 7317 and 14610 didn't change for their Honda applications, the Mazda spec listing for both other manufacturers is correct and I'd be confident using either.


You haven't read anything I have posted apparently. Nobody said other filters won't work just that they are multi application filters where as the Wix and OEM is not. If you don't care that one company took the time and expense to create a dedicated filter, good for you. Your car won't blow up. If you do care, then it is good information to have.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
....Nobody said other filters won't work just that they are multi application filters where as the Wix and OEM is not. If you don't care that one company took the time and expense to create a dedicated filter, good for you. Your car won't blow up. If you do care, then it is good information to have.

Actually if one reads the entire thread there is at least one poster in this thread that said the 6607(14612) is the 'not' correct filter application for the topic'd 2015 skyactive and that a special filter is required, so use the OEM.

And further if not outright stated it is at least implied imo, that because Wix produced a newer separate application with the updated baseplate design also now used in the updated Honda and some others, that the Wix application is somehow superior to the 6607/14612 spec'd by Fram and Purolator. I don't see that conclusion as valid. Perhaps it might have more credence if Wix hadn't changed/superseded several other applications like Honda to the newer baseplate design in about the same time frame. But such is not the case.

That said, if it gives one a sense of confidence in using the Wix because of that, fine. If I owned a skyactive it wouldn't for me though.

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: sayjac
No need to get snarky about it. If you read my follow up post, which apparently you did not, you will see I made a correction/addendum regarding the 2014 Mazda 6 being skyactive after looking further into it. However, the quote is based on Wix's own look up which doesn't list the 2014 6 as skyactive. Fact.

So the 57002 was introduced with the new baseplate configuration same as the newer Honda and other applications with the updated baseplate design. Fact.

As I said, and it was agreed on by another member, I do believe the small difference in bypass psi to be significant. Rather, it is the baseplate design change for better thread engagement and seal, which I'm repeating because it was left out of the quote again that I believe to be the major change in the 57002. And also this is a Wix design specific change having nothing to do with other manufacturers application.

So, I do not agree that just because Wix had to change the baseplate configuration on several different filter applications, and that change included making a new Mazda application the conclusion that Fram and Puro's 6607 and 14612 are not the correct and acceptable applications. Just as the Honda 7317 and 14610 didn't change for their Honda applications, the Mazda spec listing for both other manufacturers is correct and I'd be confident using either.


You haven't read anything I have posted apparently. Nobody said other filters won't work just that they are multi application filters where as the Wix and OEM is not. If you don't care that one company took the time and expense to create a dedicated filter, good for you. Your car won't blow up. If you do care, then it is good information to have.


I really doubt there was that much testing and expense for Wix to do this. This happens all the time to develop a new filter, basically slight modification of an existing design. More or less it is a little bit of testing, probably on existing lab equipment they have along with some slight modification of the design. To call it a great expense seems exaggeration and if said by Wix sounds like marketing at it's finest. It sounds more like Wix informing people they did something which all manufacturers do on a regular basis to get some marketing value or to make it sounds like their filter is something special.

 

[danthaman1980]

Wow, this thread certainly has become contentious!

Not sure there is much I can add to this discussion except for the following:

I was once of the opinion that because Wix re-designed their filter for use on the Skyactiv engine (57002), then there must have been something special or different that required the change to be made, and following that line of thinking I said I would only use the Mazda or Wix filters. After looking into the issue further, however, and after other filter makers began listing current models for use in the Skyactiv, I am no longer of this opinion. Any filter listed for these applications should work fine.

I will also add, however, that after using and cutting open 3 of the Mazda filters (PE01-14-302, IIRC), I am not likely to use a different filter anytime soon. The construction of the Mazda filters is immaculate, IMO, and I haven't had even a hint of a mis-shapen or unevenly spaced pleat, even after up to a 7,500 mile interval.

I do have one Wix and one M1 filter in the queue for my Skyactiv, BUT I'm likely to keep buying and using the Mazda branded filter exclusively for a while. I'm sure I'll get around to using the others eventually.