The factory recommends 0-20. Thad only oil that I see that meets the Chrysler spec is Pennzoil Platinum. The mobil 1 does not. Do you think I can use the mobil???
2013 Dodge Dart 2.4L which oil???
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You can. The question is will they honor the warranty if you have an oil related problem? I'm guessing they would and I suspect Mobil 1 is close to meeting the spec.
But I'd used PP anyways, it's an excellent oil, as is Mobil 1. It might even keep your pistons 8% cleaner than Mobil 1.
But I'd used PP anyways, it's an excellent oil, as is Mobil 1. It might even keep your pistons 8% cleaner than Mobil 1.
Ram fan that's the Chrysler spec.
Nick that's funny!!
Nick that's funny!!
Originally Posted By: Cars76
The factory recommends 0-20. Thad only oil that I see that meets the Chrysler spec is Pennzoil Platinum. The mobil 1 does not. Do you think I can use the mobil???
There are a ton of excellent 0W20 oils out there but not many list MS6395 yet. However, here are 3 other options for you that do list it...
Valvoline Synpower 0W20
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/synpower.pdf
Amsoil XL 0W20
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1404.pdf
Amsoil OE 0W20
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g3404.pdf
The factory recommends 0-20. Thad only oil that I see that meets the Chrysler spec is Pennzoil Platinum. The mobil 1 does not. Do you think I can use the mobil???
There are a ton of excellent 0W20 oils out there but not many list MS6395 yet. However, here are 3 other options for you that do list it...
Valvoline Synpower 0W20
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/synpower.pdf
Amsoil XL 0W20
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g1404.pdf
Amsoil OE 0W20
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g3404.pdf
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Originally Posted By: RamFan
Havoline 0w20 also meets it.
Where did you see that? I looked on their PDS and their 0W20 was only API SM and MS6395N both of which are now obsolete. API SM wouldn't meet the Dart requirements.
EDIT - just found a newer PDS( Oct 2013 )that shows you are right about the Havoline Full Synthetic 0W20 meeting MS6395 and it is API SN certified w/ Starburst so it meets all of the warranty requirements for the OP's Dart. Good find on your part.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=373591&docFormat=PDF
Havoline 0w20 also meets it.
Where did you see that? I looked on their PDS and their 0W20 was only API SM and MS6395N both of which are now obsolete. API SM wouldn't meet the Dart requirements.
EDIT - just found a newer PDS( Oct 2013 )that shows you are right about the Havoline Full Synthetic 0W20 meeting MS6395 and it is API SN certified w/ Starburst so it meets all of the warranty requirements for the OP's Dart. Good find on your part.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDetailPage.aspx?docDataId=373591&docFormat=PDF
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Originally Posted By: Rand
ms6395 isnt very strict standard. M1 has "higher" approvals.
what they dont have is the 2 year test required for ms6395
Not sure I understand the 2 year test: the new formulation of Pennzoil Platinum meets this spec despite being new to the market. And it's a big departure from the oil version with GTL base stock, so one would think decertification would be needed.
So Pennzoil's been holding a new product from the market for the 2 year period and Mobil just can't be bothered?
ms6395 isnt very strict standard. M1 has "higher" approvals.
what they dont have is the 2 year test required for ms6395
Not sure I understand the 2 year test: the new formulation of Pennzoil Platinum meets this spec despite being new to the market. And it's a big departure from the oil version with GTL base stock, so one would think decertification would be needed.
So Pennzoil's been holding a new product from the market for the 2 year period and Mobil just can't be bothered?
My son took his new Dart(requires 0W-20) to a local dealer and they put in 5W-20 Pennzoil Blend. So even a new car dealer ignores what's printed on the oil cap. And we worry about the manufacturer denying warranty because we use Mobil 1.
The book says you can use 5-20 if 0-20 is not available. But I rather use the 0-20. Even though there is probably no difference.
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My son took his new Dart(requires 0W-20) to a local dealer and they put in 5W-20 Pennzoil Blend. So even a new car dealer ignores what's printed on the oil cap. And we worry about the manufacturer denying warranty because we use Mobil 1.
Big difference there. The car mfg is not going to make a stink about the dealer doing something like that( at least to the customer - in private is different ). The customer has paperwork from a dealer showing they did it right. A DIY'er will be under more scrutiny by the car mfg and using the wrong oil gives them an out. Also, as the OP points out Chrysler allows for 5W20 when you can't find the 0W20 so no harm no foul. 5W20 is actually ok to use.
My son took his new Dart(requires 0W-20) to a local dealer and they put in 5W-20 Pennzoil Blend. So even a new car dealer ignores what's printed on the oil cap. And we worry about the manufacturer denying warranty because we use Mobil 1.
Big difference there. The car mfg is not going to make a stink about the dealer doing something like that( at least to the customer - in private is different ). The customer has paperwork from a dealer showing they did it right. A DIY'er will be under more scrutiny by the car mfg and using the wrong oil gives them an out. Also, as the OP points out Chrysler allows for 5W20 when you can't find the 0W20 so no harm no foul. 5W20 is actually ok to use.
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Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Any 0w20 will meet it....
Could go TOGO 0w20....
May be so but unless the oil mfg provides some type of documentation or paperwork claiming to meet/exceed MS6395 specifically I wouldn't use it if warranty is in the picture. I want some kind of printable proof I can use either against the car mfg or the oil mfg. Using an oil that doesn't at least claim to meet/exceed a spec is taking a risk IMO.
If you had all the spec's required for MS6395 and also had the spec's showing the oil in question meets/exceeds them all that is different. Use away( I would just point out however in that case the oil mfg is going to claim it meets/exceeds the spec IMO ). Otherwise unless the oil mfg lists it IMO it is not wise to use it if you care about warranty.
The oils I listed all have mfg websites with downloadable company documents claiming their 0W20 meets/exceeds Chrysler MS6395. Gives the customer something to stand on with the car mfg and ultimately if they have to go after the oil mfg for a failure( rare I know - we are talking technically here ). Other oils such as Kendall, Quaker State, Royal Purple, Castrol, etc... that offer API Certified w/ Starburst 0W20 oils do not show MS6395. They show it for 5W20 but not 0W20. To me it would not be smart while under warranty to use one of those even though they are fine products and in the case of Kendall and RP would be my oils of choice.
I have been researching 0W20 oils meeting/exceeding MS6395 for a while now as I am looking at a new 2014 Jeep Cherokee w/ the 2.4L and that calls for the same oil spec's as the OP's Dart( same motor ). I am bummed that Kendall and RP 0W20 don't meet/exceed the spec( no mfg claims anyway ). Those would be my top 2 choices. Hopefully in time they will.
Any 0w20 will meet it....
Could go TOGO 0w20....
May be so but unless the oil mfg provides some type of documentation or paperwork claiming to meet/exceed MS6395 specifically I wouldn't use it if warranty is in the picture. I want some kind of printable proof I can use either against the car mfg or the oil mfg. Using an oil that doesn't at least claim to meet/exceed a spec is taking a risk IMO.
If you had all the spec's required for MS6395 and also had the spec's showing the oil in question meets/exceeds them all that is different. Use away( I would just point out however in that case the oil mfg is going to claim it meets/exceeds the spec IMO ). Otherwise unless the oil mfg lists it IMO it is not wise to use it if you care about warranty.
The oils I listed all have mfg websites with downloadable company documents claiming their 0W20 meets/exceeds Chrysler MS6395. Gives the customer something to stand on with the car mfg and ultimately if they have to go after the oil mfg for a failure( rare I know - we are talking technically here ). Other oils such as Kendall, Quaker State, Royal Purple, Castrol, etc... that offer API Certified w/ Starburst 0W20 oils do not show MS6395. They show it for 5W20 but not 0W20. To me it would not be smart while under warranty to use one of those even though they are fine products and in the case of Kendall and RP would be my oils of choice.
I have been researching 0W20 oils meeting/exceeding MS6395 for a while now as I am looking at a new 2014 Jeep Cherokee w/ the 2.4L and that calls for the same oil spec's as the OP's Dart( same motor ). I am bummed that Kendall and RP 0W20 don't meet/exceed the spec( no mfg claims anyway ). Those would be my top 2 choices. Hopefully in time they will.
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