I say don't be a worry wort and buy the Escape if you like it.
2013 CR-V or 2014 Escape?
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
And it's that blind sheep-ism that keeps Honda in business when there are clearly other manufacturers making better vehicles.
But Honda is perfect in every aspect, never has a single recall, never made a problematic vehicle.
On the other hand, all Fords will fall apart in approximately 20,000 miles and explode into a big ball of flame.
If you're buying a vehicle for resale value, you are looking at the purchase of an automobile in the complete wrong aspect.
CX-5 and Escape are excellent in that segment. I'd prefer a CX-5 as I like the more simple interior and manual trans.
Not in my case. It's ownership experience with Honda.
And it's that blind sheep-ism that keeps Honda in business when there are clearly other manufacturers making better vehicles.
But Honda is perfect in every aspect, never has a single recall, never made a problematic vehicle.
On the other hand, all Fords will fall apart in approximately 20,000 miles and explode into a big ball of flame.
If you're buying a vehicle for resale value, you are looking at the purchase of an automobile in the complete wrong aspect.
CX-5 and Escape are excellent in that segment. I'd prefer a CX-5 as I like the more simple interior and manual trans.
Not in my case. It's ownership experience with Honda.
Thanks for the input folks! I completely forgot about the CX-5! I will include it in my search as it falls right in line with the prices I'm looking at
Originally Posted By: Blue_Goose
Thanks for the input folks! I completely forgot about the CX-5! I will include it in my search as it falls right in line with the prices I'm looking at
Price wise it's less than CR-V or Escape
Thanks for the input folks! I completely forgot about the CX-5! I will include it in my search as it falls right in line with the prices I'm looking at
Price wise it's less than CR-V or Escape
The only thing I can comment about the new Escape is that when I was picking up some parts for my Focus, I happened to look under the hood of the new Escape. And boy is it thight in there.
Being a DIY-er it would be a turn off for me.
CX-5 looks like it has a bit more room
CR-V looks like it's about the same or a bit more room as CX-5.
Being a DIY-er it would be a turn off for me.
CX-5 looks like it has a bit more room
CR-V looks like it's about the same or a bit more room as CX-5.
The Subarus can indeed be a PITA if you're the DIY kind of person.
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Originally Posted By: badtlc
The previous generation Escape was a tough little truck, essentially. They would go anywhere in any condition. The new escape not so much. I don't like how they turned the escape into a car, but....
We all do realize the previous Escape was basically a jacked up Mazda 626, right? Yes they are neat little Crossovers but their underpinnigs are all car, just like the new one.
It had more clearance and drove like a small truck, at least mine does. Sure, it rides better than a truck, but you should see where people take their escapes on the forums. They do some serious off-roading. It is crazy. Last winter, I went around helping people out during 2 different snow storms of 12+" in our FWD 2.3L Escape and it was a champ. There were no cars doing that.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
The previous generation Escape was a tough little truck, essentially. They would go anywhere in any condition. The new escape not so much. I don't like how they turned the escape into a car, but....
We all do realize the previous Escape was basically a jacked up Mazda 626, right? Yes they are neat little Crossovers but their underpinnigs are all car, just like the new one.
It had more clearance and drove like a small truck, at least mine does. Sure, it rides better than a truck, but you should see where people take their escapes on the forums. They do some serious off-roading. It is crazy. Last winter, I went around helping people out during 2 different snow storms of 12+" in our FWD 2.3L Escape and it was a champ. There were no cars doing that.
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For all the turbo haters - it's easy, just get the proven 2.5L in the Escape. Been around since the '09 model year.
And for all the resale value freaks - even if that is the case, you often forget that a Ford can often be bought initially for less due to heavy discounting. I bought my brand new Focus for 5 grand off sticker. Could never have done that with a Civic, Elantra etc. I'm in at least as good a financial position with it as I would have been with the others.
And for all the resale value freaks - even if that is the case, you often forget that a Ford can often be bought initially for less due to heavy discounting. I bought my brand new Focus for 5 grand off sticker. Could never have done that with a Civic, Elantra etc. I'm in at least as good a financial position with it as I would have been with the others.
Originally Posted By: dparm
The Subarus can indeed be a PITA if you're the DIY kind of person.
??? Subaru has had little change in their simple engine designs and transmissions that have changed little even back to 1990. They remain relatively easy to work on like Honda.
I have no idea about Escape or CX-5 but they both likely require a dealer in latter life. Not DIY or an inexpensive mechanic who generalizes. But that is pure conjecture. I do DIY personally and use a $60/hr Subie focused mechanic. He loves working on 4cylinder Honda's too as they have changed little since 2003 in that 2.4L. He is not found really though of V6.
The Subarus can indeed be a PITA if you're the DIY kind of person.
??? Subaru has had little change in their simple engine designs and transmissions that have changed little even back to 1990. They remain relatively easy to work on like Honda.
I have no idea about Escape or CX-5 but they both likely require a dealer in latter life. Not DIY or an inexpensive mechanic who generalizes. But that is pure conjecture. I do DIY personally and use a $60/hr Subie focused mechanic. He loves working on 4cylinder Honda's too as they have changed little since 2003 in that 2.4L. He is not found really though of V6.
I will probably drive all 3 of them tomorrow. I do put a lot of miles per year on car.,..,.maybe 25-30k a year
Maybe odd question but for DIY oil changes , is the filter easily accessible on all 3?
Maybe odd question but for DIY oil changes , is the filter easily accessible on all 3?
Originally Posted By: Blue_Goose
I will probably drive all 3 of them tomorrow. I do put a lot of miles per year on car.,..,.maybe 25-30k a year
Maybe odd question but for DIY oil changes , is the filter easily accessible on all 3?
The CX-5 is on the bottom of the engine and only accessible from underneath. I don't consider that easy, but that is just me. There are no obstructions, though.
I will probably drive all 3 of them tomorrow. I do put a lot of miles per year on car.,..,.maybe 25-30k a year
Maybe odd question but for DIY oil changes , is the filter easily accessible on all 3?
The CX-5 is on the bottom of the engine and only accessible from underneath. I don't consider that easy, but that is just me. There are no obstructions, though.
Originally Posted By: Miller88
And it's that blind sheep-ism that keeps Honda in business when there are clearly other manufacturers making better vehicles.
Better in what ways? Its pretty subjective I think CRV, Ford Escape and CX 5 are all excellent choice that will appeal to OP in a certain way. The only known and it was asked by OP is CRV has a very well known and established engine and transmission combination. The rest not so much as they are quite green.
And it's that blind sheep-ism that keeps Honda in business when there are clearly other manufacturers making better vehicles.
Better in what ways? Its pretty subjective I think CRV, Ford Escape and CX 5 are all excellent choice that will appeal to OP in a certain way. The only known and it was asked by OP is CRV has a very well known and established engine and transmission combination. The rest not so much as they are quite green.
Of the two, I'd go with the CRV. Three reasons:
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Of the two, I'd go with the CRV. Three reasons:
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
Ford's quality has never been better. Honda is the one that is slipping lately.
It's very easy to attain advertised mileage. Myself and my father, who have very steady feet when driving have no problem pulling 29/30 out of my parents EB escape. Drivers who are on the gas , off the gas, on the gas, off the gas, etc are not getting advertised mileage.
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
Of the two, I'd go with the CRV. Three reasons:
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
Ford's quality has never been better. Honda is the one that is slipping lately.
It's very easy to attain advertised mileage. Myself and my father, who have very steady feet when driving have no problem pulling 29/30 out of my parents EB escape. Drivers who are on the gas , off the gas, on the gas, off the gas, etc are not getting advertised mileage.
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
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Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Danh
Of the two, I'd go with the CRV. Three reasons:
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
Ford's quality has never been better. Honda is the one that is slipping lately.
It's very easy to attain advertised mileage. Myself and my father, who have very steady feet when driving have no problem pulling 29/30 out of my parents EB escape. Drivers who are on the gas , off the gas, on the gas, off the gas, etc are not getting advertised mileage.
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
Well, my quality experience is sure different. JD Power seems to agree with me.
As for fuel economy, Consumer Reports testing suggests EcoBoost engines get no better fuel economy that similar, normally-aspirated engines seapite the added complexity. And in virtually every auto mag comparison the Escape is worst or near-worst in economy. If you drive to suit the car as you do, maybe you'll meet EPA estimates, but most owners will drive as they always have and will be disappointed.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Of the two, I'd go with the CRV. Three reasons:
1) Ford is introducing lots of new models and quality, in my experience has slipped. For example, Ford still hasn't figured out the dual clutch transmission used in the Focus and Fiesta, even though they have been in North American production for almost 2 years. All manner of bad behavior is passed off as "normal". Escapes are not immune from the same syndrome - see recalls and ask an owner about personal experiences.
2) EcoBoost technology is intruiging, but real-world fuel economy seems to fall a lot shorter of EPA estimates than is typical.
3) if you want the middle-of-the-road 1.6 litre EcoBoost, keep in mind that Ford is replacing this UK sourced engine with a completely new 1.5 turbocharged 4, perhaps for the 2015 model year. So if you buy a 1.6 you will be stuck with a foreign-sourced "orphan".
The Escape may be more fun to drive, but the CRV is roomier, likely less troublesome and probably more durable. And then there's the depreciation factor.
Ford's quality has never been better. Honda is the one that is slipping lately.
It's very easy to attain advertised mileage. Myself and my father, who have very steady feet when driving have no problem pulling 29/30 out of my parents EB escape. Drivers who are on the gas , off the gas, on the gas, off the gas, etc are not getting advertised mileage.
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
Well, my quality experience is sure different. JD Power seems to agree with me.
As for fuel economy, Consumer Reports testing suggests EcoBoost engines get no better fuel economy that similar, normally-aspirated engines seapite the added complexity. And in virtually every auto mag comparison the Escape is worst or near-worst in economy. If you drive to suit the car as you do, maybe you'll meet EPA estimates, but most owners will drive as they always have and will be disappointed.
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The Escape is on top right now in the small suv segment imo.
-Looks greats
-240 hp/270 tq with the 2.0 ecoboost
-Tows 3,500 pounds (2,000 with the 1.6)
-Incentives/rebates so you never pay any where close to MSRP
I'll be looking into one probably next year when the 2015 model comes out.
-Looks greats
-240 hp/270 tq with the 2.0 ecoboost
-Tows 3,500 pounds (2,000 with the 1.6)
-Incentives/rebates so you never pay any where close to MSRP
I'll be looking into one probably next year when the 2015 model comes out.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Well, my quality experience is sure different. JD Power seems to agree with me.
If you bother to read JD Power, most of that quality "issue" is MyFord Touch. In early versions it was bad but they have been working most of the bugs out. Mechanically they are excellent cars
Well, my quality experience is sure different. JD Power seems to agree with me.
If you bother to read JD Power, most of that quality "issue" is MyFord Touch. In early versions it was bad but they have been working most of the bugs out. Mechanically they are excellent cars
Originally Posted By: Miller88
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
Outside of AWD, the 2.0 is just as complex as the 1.6 so I'm confused
With that said, I wouldn't get a 2.0EB escape. Does get good mileage and has EXCELLENT power, just a lot of complication and expense I don't need at the moment.
Outside of AWD, the 2.0 is just as complex as the 1.6 so I'm confused
CRV...
2 reasons.
Resale value.
Overall cost of ownership, CRV's have always been low.
2 reasons.
Resale value.
Overall cost of ownership, CRV's have always been low.
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