2012 Ford Raptor Oil ?
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Something to think about--
The engine makers publish the specs for the oil they require for their warranty, probably one of these: Ford WSS-M2C945A (SAE 5W-20), Ford WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20). Any oil that meets the spec is fine. Motorcraft is very good, as are many others. My choice would be Schaeffer #704. At 7500 miles per year, you might be making yearly oil changes. If your driving is just many short, cool runs, halve that oil drain interval.
The engine makers do not publish the specs for the oil filter. I'd stick with Ford oil filters if easy warranty compliance is a concern.
As said above, document all your maintenance that is required under the warranty.
The engine makers publish the specs for the oil they require for their warranty, probably one of these: Ford WSS-M2C945A (SAE 5W-20), Ford WSS-M2C930-A (SAE 5W-20). Any oil that meets the spec is fine. Motorcraft is very good, as are many others. My choice would be Schaeffer #704. At 7500 miles per year, you might be making yearly oil changes. If your driving is just many short, cool runs, halve that oil drain interval.
The engine makers do not publish the specs for the oil filter. I'd stick with Ford oil filters if easy warranty compliance is a concern.
As said above, document all your maintenance that is required under the warranty.
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch
Nac:
Are you going to baby it, or run it full bore and do mild mods? That thing really needs a programmer to get the sluggishness out of it and make it shift better. You also get another 25HP & 35ft/lbs. Might even keep up with a HEMI truck (kidding).
If you are going to run it hard, I would definately do an early first change and then go synthetic. The 6.2 definately generates some major heat when run hard. The Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 is as good as it gets for an inexpensive locally available
oil.
That truck is unbelievably fun. I have torn my Dodge truck to pieces chasing my brother around in his Raptor. Great fun.
Don't listen to this guy about getting a tuner/programmer. Ford WILL DENY any warantee claim you may make. Because a tuner changes transmission shift points and modifies many parameters as far as the engine goesit gives ford way to many reasons to deny any possible claim you may make.
Leave it stock until the warantee period is up,use whatever ford tells you as far as fluids and change intervals.
After warantee is up take it in to get dyno tuned,that will get the most ponies out of it and make the most of any mods you make. The transmission is the weakest link and once you change shift points and stuff you are making it run differently then it was designed.
3 different friends got their diesels re-tuned. One had a dodge,other had a ford then the last had a chevy. After they got them to re-tune and modify shift points every single one of them had transmission problems which were denied by the manufacturer based on tge vehicles being tuned and warantee was denied.
Do what you want but understand the risks.
Good call on the raptor. Great truck
Nac:
Are you going to baby it, or run it full bore and do mild mods? That thing really needs a programmer to get the sluggishness out of it and make it shift better. You also get another 25HP & 35ft/lbs. Might even keep up with a HEMI truck (kidding).
If you are going to run it hard, I would definately do an early first change and then go synthetic. The 6.2 definately generates some major heat when run hard. The Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 is as good as it gets for an inexpensive locally available
oil.
That truck is unbelievably fun. I have torn my Dodge truck to pieces chasing my brother around in his Raptor. Great fun.
Don't listen to this guy about getting a tuner/programmer. Ford WILL DENY any warantee claim you may make. Because a tuner changes transmission shift points and modifies many parameters as far as the engine goesit gives ford way to many reasons to deny any possible claim you may make.
Leave it stock until the warantee period is up,use whatever ford tells you as far as fluids and change intervals.
After warantee is up take it in to get dyno tuned,that will get the most ponies out of it and make the most of any mods you make. The transmission is the weakest link and once you change shift points and stuff you are making it run differently then it was designed.
3 different friends got their diesels re-tuned. One had a dodge,other had a ford then the last had a chevy. After they got them to re-tune and modify shift points every single one of them had transmission problems which were denied by the manufacturer based on tge vehicles being tuned and warantee was denied.
Do what you want but understand the risks.
Good call on the raptor. Great truck
Absolutely, positively, DO NOT let anyone "retune" the PCM. You will kiss your warranty good by! After the warranty period expires and you want to reprogram the trans, contact Banmann Electronic Controls. They are the defacto experts on Ford transmissions. If they can't do it, nobody can. here's a link to their website. Baumann Electronic Controls They can also completely rebuild any Ford trans with the ability to take virtually anything you can dish out. My 95 F-250 E4OD is still strong, but that's where it's going when rebuild time comes.
Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Just dont do any jumping, or any serius off-roading in the Raptor, you will bend your frame, and have a terrible gap between the bed and cab. Look it up, interesting info about Ford's lack of design, and Ford not taking responsibility for their screw-up.
Most of this stems from hitting high ledges at high speed, does not matter what vehicle your in, when u hit a 12" tall bump at 60mph things are going to happen. Ford needed to leave that gap in there for the vehicle to absorb the high impacts for safety reasons and in result some people that are severely abusing the raptors are having the issues. Its not lack of design per say.
Link for more info:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/21/svt-boss-goes-on-record-about-ford-raptor-frame-damage-claims-w/
Just dont do any jumping, or any serius off-roading in the Raptor, you will bend your frame, and have a terrible gap between the bed and cab. Look it up, interesting info about Ford's lack of design, and Ford not taking responsibility for their screw-up.
Most of this stems from hitting high ledges at high speed, does not matter what vehicle your in, when u hit a 12" tall bump at 60mph things are going to happen. Ford needed to leave that gap in there for the vehicle to absorb the high impacts for safety reasons and in result some people that are severely abusing the raptors are having the issues. Its not lack of design per say.
Link for more info:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/21/svt-boss-goes-on-record-about-ford-raptor-frame-damage-claims-w/
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The whole raptor frame issue is abuse, period. NO ONE can build an unbreakable truck. Not even Ford the almighty!
People who abuse their trucks by operating it outside of the design parameters that were originally engineered into it & then want the manufacturer to pick up the tab under "Warranty" are complete idiots!
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I like to change things up BUT in this case I would stay with MC syn and oil filter...
Raptors are very cool trucks but not sure I would pay what they want for them. I can afford one but I am getting more frugal with age. LOL...
Raptors are very cool trucks but not sure I would pay what they want for them. I can afford one but I am getting more frugal with age. LOL...
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Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
I like to change things up BUT in this case I would stay with MC syn and oil filter...
Raptors are very cool trucks but not sure I would pay what they want for them. I can afford one but I am getting more frugal with age. LOL...
FWIW..I considered MC synthetic, but chose PU for three reasons:
I like to change things up BUT in this case I would stay with MC syn and oil filter...
Raptors are very cool trucks but not sure I would pay what they want for them. I can afford one but I am getting more frugal with age. LOL...
FWIW..I considered MC synthetic, but chose PU for three reasons:
- Price--MC synthetic is quite a bit more than PU
- Availability--Unless something has changed very recently, MC synthetic is only available at a Ford dealer
- Performance--It is my belief that PU outperforms MC (just my belief, I have not seen data to support either viewpoint)
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Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
If I were you I would only use a MotorCraft Filter & run Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 for 5K mile intervals!
I did this at first, but PU is quite OK for 7,500 OCIs (probably even past that, but I have a warranty as well to consider). I was "old school" and used to change at 3K (on former vehicles), but went 5K on the FX4. After reading and seeing "proof in the pudding", I ran two 7.5K OCIs and there is virtually ZERO difference between a 5K and a 7.5K OCI (1 or 2 ppm more iron in a 7.5K versus a 5K). In fact, I think I had one 7.5K used oil analysis that was better than one of my 5K used oil analysis--at least 25% of the miles on my truck have been pulling a heavy load in either 100F+ temperatures or
If the OP is short tripping for the whole year (7.5K), then I would worry a bit about exhausting the add pack, but a used oil analysis with TBN will easily allow the OP to adjust the OCI as needed.
If I were you I would only use a MotorCraft Filter & run Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 for 5K mile intervals!
I did this at first, but PU is quite OK for 7,500 OCIs (probably even past that, but I have a warranty as well to consider). I was "old school" and used to change at 3K (on former vehicles), but went 5K on the FX4. After reading and seeing "proof in the pudding", I ran two 7.5K OCIs and there is virtually ZERO difference between a 5K and a 7.5K OCI (1 or 2 ppm more iron in a 7.5K versus a 5K). In fact, I think I had one 7.5K used oil analysis that was better than one of my 5K used oil analysis--at least 25% of the miles on my truck have been pulling a heavy load in either 100F+ temperatures or
If the OP is short tripping for the whole year (7.5K), then I would worry a bit about exhausting the add pack, but a used oil analysis with TBN will easily allow the OP to adjust the OCI as needed.
Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Just dont do any jumping, or any serius off-roading in the Raptor, you will bend your frame, and have a terrible gap between the bed and cab. Look it up, interesting info about Ford's lack of design, and Ford not taking responsibility for their screw-up.
Travis:
My current Dodge project truck is a HEMI 2008 RAM 1500 QC TRX-4. I see your sig shows a 2008 RAM. Those are nice trucks. The one thing you wont break or bend on the RAM 1500 is the frame. They do bend nearly everything else in the IFS front end when jumping but it's all easily replaced as long as the strut spring perches (welded to frame) dont bend. I have replaced everything several times including the front bumper and lower parts from jumps while chasing the Raptor (as the RAM lands front heavy often).
I can actually understand why the Raptors are bending the frames, the awesome off-road ride and all the marketing hype just pushes the owners to push them too hard. I can beat myself to death in the RAM and them get in the Raptor on the same run and it feels almost like a smooth ride. However, the truck is still taking a pounding. And frames can be straightened.
Just dont do any jumping, or any serius off-roading in the Raptor, you will bend your frame, and have a terrible gap between the bed and cab. Look it up, interesting info about Ford's lack of design, and Ford not taking responsibility for their screw-up.
Travis:
My current Dodge project truck is a HEMI 2008 RAM 1500 QC TRX-4. I see your sig shows a 2008 RAM. Those are nice trucks. The one thing you wont break or bend on the RAM 1500 is the frame. They do bend nearly everything else in the IFS front end when jumping but it's all easily replaced as long as the strut spring perches (welded to frame) dont bend. I have replaced everything several times including the front bumper and lower parts from jumps while chasing the Raptor (as the RAM lands front heavy often).
I can actually understand why the Raptors are bending the frames, the awesome off-road ride and all the marketing hype just pushes the owners to push them too hard. I can beat myself to death in the RAM and them get in the Raptor on the same run and it feels almost like a smooth ride. However, the truck is still taking a pounding. And frames can be straightened.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch
Nac:
Are you going to baby it, or run it full bore and do mild mods? That thing really needs a programmer to get the sluggishness out of it and make it shift better. You also get another 25HP & 35ft/lbs. Might even keep up with a HEMI truck (kidding).
If you are going to run it hard, I would definately do an early first change and then go synthetic. The 6.2 definately generates some major heat when run hard. The Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 is as good as it gets for an inexpensive locally available
oil.
That truck is unbelievably fun. I have torn my Dodge truck to pieces chasing my brother around in his Raptor. Great fun.
Don't listen to this guy about getting a tuner/programmer. Ford WILL DENY any warantee claim you may make. Because a tuner changes transmission shift points and modifies many parameters as far as the engine goesit gives ford way to many reasons to deny any possible claim you may make.
Leave it stock until the warantee period is up,use whatever ford tells you as far as fluids and change intervals.
After warantee is up take it in to get dyno tuned,that will get the most ponies out of it and make the most of any mods you make. The transmission is the weakest link and once you change shift points and stuff you are making it run differently then it was designed.
3 different friends got their diesels re-tuned. One had a dodge,other had a ford then the last had a chevy. After they got them to re-tune and modify shift points every single one of them had transmission problems which were denied by the manufacturer based on tge vehicles being tuned and warantee was denied.
Do what you want but understand the risks.
Good call on the raptor. Great truck
I can understand your point of view as a non-motorsports enthusiast. However most of what you say is incorrect. Do some research.
1. All tuners uninstall programming leaving no footprint.
2. Some tuners provide written guarantee that they will not void any part of the original warranty.
3. Almost all Raptor owners use a tuner to increase the speed limiter and alter many other non-tuning related parameters.
Diesels can be a different story as the power increases for a turbocharged diesel can be huge and certainly cause problems. Especially when coupled with propane injection as most do.
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch
Nac:
Are you going to baby it, or run it full bore and do mild mods? That thing really needs a programmer to get the sluggishness out of it and make it shift better. You also get another 25HP & 35ft/lbs. Might even keep up with a HEMI truck (kidding).
If you are going to run it hard, I would definately do an early first change and then go synthetic. The 6.2 definately generates some major heat when run hard. The Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 is as good as it gets for an inexpensive locally available
oil.
That truck is unbelievably fun. I have torn my Dodge truck to pieces chasing my brother around in his Raptor. Great fun.
Don't listen to this guy about getting a tuner/programmer. Ford WILL DENY any warantee claim you may make. Because a tuner changes transmission shift points and modifies many parameters as far as the engine goesit gives ford way to many reasons to deny any possible claim you may make.
Leave it stock until the warantee period is up,use whatever ford tells you as far as fluids and change intervals.
After warantee is up take it in to get dyno tuned,that will get the most ponies out of it and make the most of any mods you make. The transmission is the weakest link and once you change shift points and stuff you are making it run differently then it was designed.
3 different friends got their diesels re-tuned. One had a dodge,other had a ford then the last had a chevy. After they got them to re-tune and modify shift points every single one of them had transmission problems which were denied by the manufacturer based on tge vehicles being tuned and warantee was denied.
Do what you want but understand the risks.
Good call on the raptor. Great truck
I can understand your point of view as a non-motorsports enthusiast. However most of what you say is incorrect. Do some research.
1. All tuners uninstall programming leaving no footprint.
2. Some tuners provide written guarantee that they will not void any part of the original warranty.
3. Almost all Raptor owners use a tuner to increase the speed limiter and alter many other non-tuning related parameters.
Diesels can be a different story as the power increases for a turbocharged diesel can be huge and certainly cause problems. Especially when coupled with propane injection as most do.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
But hopefully no one here believes that loaded up Dodges are fast either.
That's for sure.
But they are okay for what they are with a few bolt on mods. The 5 speed auto is a big performance killer for Dodge. The 1-2 shift is too big a span and the Dodge falls on it's face compared to a Ford or Chevy.
But hopefully no one here believes that loaded up Dodges are fast either.
That's for sure.
But they are okay for what they are with a few bolt on mods. The 5 speed auto is a big performance killer for Dodge. The 1-2 shift is too big a span and the Dodge falls on it's face compared to a Ford or Chevy.
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