I love my Sonata! I would go with that over the Camry.
2011 Camry lemon thread update!
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If they replaced the transmission then the Hyundai is fine.
I would recommend the Camry even if the Sonata hadn't been a lemon buy back and worked on so much. I would recommended the Camry or holding out for another one with lower miles. The Camry will most likely end up having a lower cost of ownership and less issues down the road after the waranty is up.
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Why would you buy either if you want a car that will go 200k. Get the simple version with MT and crank windows and enjoy it running forever without issue.
Id not go for a lemon hyundai. The extended warranty on the camry is good faith benefit and lts you have a good car, sell it with the warranty (terms must be transferrable), or just keep it.
Id not go for a lemon hyundai. The extended warranty on the camry is good faith benefit and lts you have a good car, sell it with the warranty (terms must be transferrable), or just keep it.
Originally Posted By: pottymouth
Lemon Law buyback? No thanks. Think about it. They couldn't properly fix the problem for the original buyer after 3 tries but now you trust it to be solved the fourth? If it was as easy as replacing the transmission, why wasn't that done before they were forced to buy it back?
You should also double check that the original warranty is still valid. Learn an important lesson from the last time around and don't just take the dealer's word for it.
I agree with this post. Plus, if the dealer is willing to have your dad drive it for a few days, he's really desperate to pawn the vehicle off on him (I would be suspicious).
Lemon Law buyback? No thanks. Think about it. They couldn't properly fix the problem for the original buyer after 3 tries but now you trust it to be solved the fourth? If it was as easy as replacing the transmission, why wasn't that done before they were forced to buy it back?
You should also double check that the original warranty is still valid. Learn an important lesson from the last time around and don't just take the dealer's word for it.
I agree with this post. Plus, if the dealer is willing to have your dad drive it for a few days, he's really desperate to pawn the vehicle off on him (I would be suspicious).
I used to own a 2010 Hyundai Tucson. Transmission had to be replaced at 16k miles. Intermittent problems occurred before the transmission was completely disabled.
I ended up getting rid of the Tucson. My confidence was lost. Never before have I been stranded on the side of the road because of a mechanical failure. This is especially not what I expected to experience on a vehicle I bought brand new 10 months earlier. Ironically, I suspected something was up and was driving to the dealer to have it looked at when it broke down.
I know you are looking at a Sonata and I do not know how widespread transmission problems are in the Sonata. However, based on a number of discussion threads, a common theme seems to be recurring over a number of Hyundai models (including Sonata, Tucson and Santa Fe): transmission issues.
The Sonata is a sweet looking car. It's what's under the hood that would concern me somewhat.
I ended up getting rid of the Tucson. My confidence was lost. Never before have I been stranded on the side of the road because of a mechanical failure. This is especially not what I expected to experience on a vehicle I bought brand new 10 months earlier. Ironically, I suspected something was up and was driving to the dealer to have it looked at when it broke down.
I know you are looking at a Sonata and I do not know how widespread transmission problems are in the Sonata. However, based on a number of discussion threads, a common theme seems to be recurring over a number of Hyundai models (including Sonata, Tucson and Santa Fe): transmission issues.
The Sonata is a sweet looking car. It's what's under the hood that would concern me somewhat.
That's a tough call...looks like only a difference of 3000 miles in the warranty between the two cars...I guess it comes down to which car your dad likes driving better, and like you said you can wait for a lower mileage camry but who knows when that will be and if that camry won't have other problems either, good luck.
I'm curious, you did say you don't have to buy anything right now. Since both Toyota and Hyundai have presented you with lemon law problems, why not consider another brand? I'm just saying, maybe its time to consider something else. Pretty much all the newer vehicles do 100,000 miles and are in the condition older models used to be in after 40,000.
I'd tell them to shove the POS JB weld Camry up their butt and shove the lemon Sonata up their along with it, and to find you a better Camry for the exact same money ASAP,(come on its a Camry, they are far from rare) or you want your money back now. You paid close to new car money for what should be close to a new car, not something with a record.
Tell them if this is not acceptable your attorney will be contacting them and all further contact will be made through the attorney.
Also do this on a busy weekend and park said POS oil leaking Camry right in the way out front and let it drip on there parking lot.
Tell them if this is not acceptable your attorney will be contacting them and all further contact will be made through the attorney.
Also do this on a busy weekend and park said POS oil leaking Camry right in the way out front and let it drip on there parking lot.
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No on any buyback.
Were going to return Sonata and ask for a 17-22k miles Camry, like we purchased.
It's just a rock-solid proven car. The same cannot be said for ANY Hyundai. Were going to try to get a time frame because its been 3 weeks
It's just a rock-solid proven car. The same cannot be said for ANY Hyundai. Were going to try to get a time frame because its been 3 weeks
Well, is sounds like the Camry has a better warranty and is a bit less money up front($500-$700) compared to the Sonata. And then, the Camry also IIRC, has a better resale value should you decide to sell later on.
And one more thing that the Hyundai has against it is, the "Lemon Law" buy back may stay with the Sonata's "CarFax" for the life of the vehicle and this could be of conceren for any up coming buyer should you sell the Sonata.
I'd go with the Camry as it seem as the safer purchace although both cars are fine cars!
And one more thing that the Hyundai has against it is, the "Lemon Law" buy back may stay with the Sonata's "CarFax" for the life of the vehicle and this could be of conceren for any up coming buyer should you sell the Sonata.
I'd go with the Camry as it seem as the safer purchace although both cars are fine cars!
Originally Posted By: dja4260
Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
Under normal circumstances, I'd say the Hyundai, but not with the Hyundai being a buyback.
How much difference for the dealer to sell you a brand new Sonata?
I have no idea. Were in 17k already and Sonata is additional 1k over Camry. I can ask tomorrow when we go there in the morning.
You said you would worry about replacing brakes/tires sooner on the Camry...the $1000 purchase cost difference will more than pay for that.
Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
Under normal circumstances, I'd say the Hyundai, but not with the Hyundai being a buyback.
How much difference for the dealer to sell you a brand new Sonata?
I have no idea. Were in 17k already and Sonata is additional 1k over Camry. I can ask tomorrow when we go there in the morning.
You said you would worry about replacing brakes/tires sooner on the Camry...the $1000 purchase cost difference will more than pay for that.
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Originally Posted By: dja4260
Were going to return Sonata and ask for a 17-22k miles Camry, like we purchased.
So you'll take a model with 22K miles, but not 28K? Is all this hassle really worth 6K miles?
Do you have a deal in writing from the dealer saying they'll give you another car, or are you just going off their word?
I would take the Camry they have and get the deal over with. If they can't find a car you like after a few more weeks,and you don't have the deal in writing, they could tell you to take the original damaged Camry and get off their lot. You'd be back to square one.
I know you got screwed on the original car, but without a written deal, you could end up stuck with the original car and have to file a lawsuit you might lose.
I say get this deal over with ASAP and get away from that dealer! But, if you have a deal in writing, you might not be in this situation.
Were going to return Sonata and ask for a 17-22k miles Camry, like we purchased.
So you'll take a model with 22K miles, but not 28K? Is all this hassle really worth 6K miles?
Do you have a deal in writing from the dealer saying they'll give you another car, or are you just going off their word?
I would take the Camry they have and get the deal over with. If they can't find a car you like after a few more weeks,and you don't have the deal in writing, they could tell you to take the original damaged Camry and get off their lot. You'd be back to square one.
I know you got screwed on the original car, but without a written deal, you could end up stuck with the original car and have to file a lawsuit you might lose.
I say get this deal over with ASAP and get away from that dealer! But, if you have a deal in writing, you might not be in this situation.
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Now that I know 'the rest of the story' on the Sonata, I'd have to pass on it. Don't like the idea of another car, a lemon law car, likely coming out of a auction/sale in Texas. Initially thought this was taken back by said dealer. Based on the initial Camry this dealer doesn't have a great track record here of buying cars at the sale.
So the second Camry goes ahead, that said, it too could well be an auction car. Not necessarily a bad thing, especially with the extended warranty but, caveat emptor. You don't want this to be a fool me once, fool me twice deal.
So the second Camry goes ahead, that said, it too could well be an auction car. Not necessarily a bad thing, especially with the extended warranty but, caveat emptor. You don't want this to be a fool me once, fool me twice deal.
Pass on the Hyundai just because you do NOT want anything to do with a Lemon. Trust me( based on working at a dealer and seeing the nightmares a real Lemon causes ). They are nothing but trouble. If simply replacing/rebuilding the trans would really have solved the problem it would have been done before the Lemon Law return took place. I don't buy that for a second.
Whatever you do insist that any car you get from this dealer comes with a clear and no questions asked written warranty. Know exactly what it has for coverage and no funny business about past issues causing certain parts to be voided. NO! Get something like a 90-120 day no questions asked return policy if the vehicle has problems.
I would also insist that you be allowed to take the vehicle to another mechanic, of your choice, to have it inspected. While the dealer does seem to be working with you to a degree their track record is less than stellar. especially when they try and sell you a Lemon to replace a Lemon.
Be very cautious of that place. Personally I would not buy a used vehicle from them period. I know you have money tied up so you are kind of stuck there but I would suck it up and find the extra money to buy a new Hyundai( at dealer cost! ). I would then go to another Hyundai dealer for any and all future work.
Whatever you do insist that any car you get from this dealer comes with a clear and no questions asked written warranty. Know exactly what it has for coverage and no funny business about past issues causing certain parts to be voided. NO! Get something like a 90-120 day no questions asked return policy if the vehicle has problems.
I would also insist that you be allowed to take the vehicle to another mechanic, of your choice, to have it inspected. While the dealer does seem to be working with you to a degree their track record is less than stellar. especially when they try and sell you a Lemon to replace a Lemon.
Be very cautious of that place. Personally I would not buy a used vehicle from them period. I know you have money tied up so you are kind of stuck there but I would suck it up and find the extra money to buy a new Hyundai( at dealer cost! ). I would then go to another Hyundai dealer for any and all future work.
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OK, just got back from dealer.
They are working on getting us a Camry that fits our needs.
They did however offer us two different color 2011 Sonatas (NO LEMONs) with full 10 yr 100k warranty for 18,500 w/ new car financing. Both cars are dealer loaners and have less then 5k miles.
This makes our payment $8 more a month then the $17k Camry w/ 5% used car financing.
As much as I don't want to purchase a new car through them, It is a good deal. I think they just want us gone and out of the showroom.
They are working on getting us a Camry that fits our needs.
They did however offer us two different color 2011 Sonatas (NO LEMONs) with full 10 yr 100k warranty for 18,500 w/ new car financing. Both cars are dealer loaners and have less then 5k miles.
This makes our payment $8 more a month then the $17k Camry w/ 5% used car financing.
As much as I don't want to purchase a new car through them, It is a good deal. I think they just want us gone and out of the showroom.
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