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Here is UOA No. 15 on my FX4. With this UOA, the TBN and TAN values are extremely close to intersecting (which according to other UOA labs constitutes the condemnation point of the oil). While this is the longest that I have run any oil in it, I think I may have reached the extent of MS5K, but ask for your thoughts and opinions.
I am not sure why the 0.2 of water appeared; the oil was very hot when sampled and cooled overnight in the bottle, but that has never been an issue previously. I will have to keep an eye on this to be sure I do not have any issues with coolant leaks (although there was practically no potassium and the sodium was normal for MS5K).
The other strange thing (that I have sent an e-mail to Blackstone about) is the 510F flashpoint. With the slight rise in insolubles and if this flashpoint is correct, I think the oil may be on the edge of heavily oxidizing and therefore (if true), the limit would be about 8K on MS5K in this engine. 8K on a conventional is not bad considering that I would need to run PU about 20K to match the cost.
As as side note, I will say that I am very happy with the NAPA Gold air filter, it has nearly cut the silicon in half. At any rate, thoughts and comments are always welcome!
Blackstone comments below:
This F150 is still looking very good as it edges closer to the 100,000-mile mark. Wear metals are low and steady, showing mechanical parts that are behaving as they should. The viscosity was normal for 5W/20 and no fuel or coolant was found. The only odd thing is a little water, 0.2% to be exact. The water didn't hurt anything, but it shouldn't be there. Maybe the sample got contaminated after you drew it? The TBN was 2.7 and the TAN was 2.6, both decent readings. The oil is a little more oxidized than usual (insolubles), but not bad. Try 10K miles next.
Code:
Year: 2010 Make: Ford Model: F-150 FX4
Engine: 5.4L FFV Transmission: 6R80 Axle: 9.75 Ford ELD (3.73)
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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Date: 11/12 08/12 06/12 | 05/12 02/12 11/11 09/11 07/11 06/11 05/11 03/11 02/11 01/11 10/10 9/10
Oil Brand/Type: MS5K MS5K MS5K | PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU MC
Oil Viscosity: 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 | 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20
API Service: SN SN SN | SM{A} SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM
Oil Filter: MC MC MC | MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC
Air Filter: NG NG NG | NG NG{B} MC MC MC MC{B} MC MC MC MC MC MC
Lab: BLKST BLKST BLKST | BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST
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Truck Mileage: 89,211 80,927 74,447 | 69,305 62,055 54,575 47,075 39,770 32,280 27,100 21,600 16,600 10,600 4,500 991
Oil Mileage: 8,285 6,480 5,142 | 7,250 7,480 7,500 7,305 7,490 5,180 5,500 5,000 6,000 6,100 3,509 991
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Aluminum: 3 2 2 | 3 3 5 3 2 2 3 3 6 3 3 3
Chromium 1 1 1 | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
Iron: 12 10 10 | 11 8 13 8 9 7 9 10 18 13 10 18
Copper: 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 9 41
Lead: 0 0 1 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Tin: 1 4 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Molybdenum: 6 3 11 | 48 56 46 47 58 55 54 45 47 52 48 42
Nickel: 1 1 0 | 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Manganese: 1 1 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 10
Silver: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Titanium: 32 30 24 | 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Potassium: 4 4 2 | 6 0 6 5 1 0 2 3 4 2 3 14
Boron: 4 7 9 | 91 249 156 144 156 233 244 230 249 278 258 272
Silicon: 12 11 12 | 13 11 16 19 21 19 19 17 16 29 45 111
Sodium: 362 374 284 | 4 4 7 5 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 9
Calcium: 2276 1954 2195 | 2647 3168 3003 3053 2941 2900 2814 2613 2740 2911 2706 2203
Magnesium: 19 12 15 | 17 15 17 17 16 12 12 11 12 12 12 14
Phosphorus: 735 624 655 | 688 728 671 668 710 713 676 608 629 691 643 773
Zinc: 797 738 765 | 762 820 724 743 861 834 813 675 718 774 752 835
Barium: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16
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cSt Visc. @ 100°C (UOA) 7.96 8.05 7.73 | 8.34 8.25 7.93 7.80 8.45 8.04 8.14 8.21 8.12 7.72 7.94 7.09
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VOA MS5K cSt Visc. @ 100°C 7.48 7.48 7.48 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
MOBIL cSt Visc. @ 100°C 8.4 8.4 8.4 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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VOA PU cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 ---
SOPUS cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 ---
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SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 52.3 52.6 51.5 | 53.5 53.2 52.2 51.7 53.9 52.5 52.9 53.1 52.8 51.5 52.2 49.4
Flashpoint in °F 510 390 {C} | 415 405 420 415 410 425 405 390 410 390 400 390
MOBIL Flashpoint in °F 446 446 446 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
SOPUS Flashpoint in °F --- --- --- | 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 ---
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Fuel %
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Water % 0.2
Insolubles % 0.4 0.2 0.1 | 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1
TBN 2.7 2.6 3.7 | --- --- --- 5.4 --- --- 5.6 4.8 5.3 9.4 7.5 ---
TAN 2.6 4.3 --- | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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NOTES:
Acronyms:
BLKST=Blackstone | MS5K=Mobil | PU=Pennzoil
{A} Possibly SN in SM bottle; note drop in Calcium
{B} Air filter change; MC=Motorcraft, NG=Napa Gold
{C} Blackstone spilled sample; not enough to test FP and Fuel%
Here is UOA No. 15 on my FX4. With this UOA, the TBN and TAN values are extremely close to intersecting (which according to other UOA labs constitutes the condemnation point of the oil). While this is the longest that I have run any oil in it, I think I may have reached the extent of MS5K, but ask for your thoughts and opinions.
I am not sure why the 0.2 of water appeared; the oil was very hot when sampled and cooled overnight in the bottle, but that has never been an issue previously. I will have to keep an eye on this to be sure I do not have any issues with coolant leaks (although there was practically no potassium and the sodium was normal for MS5K).
The other strange thing (that I have sent an e-mail to Blackstone about) is the 510F flashpoint. With the slight rise in insolubles and if this flashpoint is correct, I think the oil may be on the edge of heavily oxidizing and therefore (if true), the limit would be about 8K on MS5K in this engine. 8K on a conventional is not bad considering that I would need to run PU about 20K to match the cost.
As as side note, I will say that I am very happy with the NAPA Gold air filter, it has nearly cut the silicon in half. At any rate, thoughts and comments are always welcome!
Blackstone comments below:
This F150 is still looking very good as it edges closer to the 100,000-mile mark. Wear metals are low and steady, showing mechanical parts that are behaving as they should. The viscosity was normal for 5W/20 and no fuel or coolant was found. The only odd thing is a little water, 0.2% to be exact. The water didn't hurt anything, but it shouldn't be there. Maybe the sample got contaminated after you drew it? The TBN was 2.7 and the TAN was 2.6, both decent readings. The oil is a little more oxidized than usual (insolubles), but not bad. Try 10K miles next.
Code:
Year: 2010 Make: Ford Model: F-150 FX4
Engine: 5.4L FFV Transmission: 6R80 Axle: 9.75 Ford ELD (3.73)
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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Date: 11/12 08/12 06/12 | 05/12 02/12 11/11 09/11 07/11 06/11 05/11 03/11 02/11 01/11 10/10 9/10
Oil Brand/Type: MS5K MS5K MS5K | PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU MC
Oil Viscosity: 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 | 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20
API Service: SN SN SN | SM{A} SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM
Oil Filter: MC MC MC | MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC
Air Filter: NG NG NG | NG NG{B} MC MC MC MC{B} MC MC MC MC MC MC
Lab: BLKST BLKST BLKST | BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST
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Truck Mileage: 89,211 80,927 74,447 | 69,305 62,055 54,575 47,075 39,770 32,280 27,100 21,600 16,600 10,600 4,500 991
Oil Mileage: 8,285 6,480 5,142 | 7,250 7,480 7,500 7,305 7,490 5,180 5,500 5,000 6,000 6,100 3,509 991
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Aluminum: 3 2 2 | 3 3 5 3 2 2 3 3 6 3 3 3
Chromium 1 1 1 | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
Iron: 12 10 10 | 11 8 13 8 9 7 9 10 18 13 10 18
Copper: 2 2 1 | 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 9 41
Lead: 0 0 1 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Tin: 1 4 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Molybdenum: 6 3 11 | 48 56 46 47 58 55 54 45 47 52 48 42
Nickel: 1 1 0 | 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Manganese: 1 1 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 10
Silver: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Titanium: 32 30 24 | 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Potassium: 4 4 2 | 6 0 6 5 1 0 2 3 4 2 3 14
Boron: 4 7 9 | 91 249 156 144 156 233 244 230 249 278 258 272
Silicon: 12 11 12 | 13 11 16 19 21 19 19 17 16 29 45 111
Sodium: 362 374 284 | 4 4 7 5 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 9
Calcium: 2276 1954 2195 | 2647 3168 3003 3053 2941 2900 2814 2613 2740 2911 2706 2203
Magnesium: 19 12 15 | 17 15 17 17 16 12 12 11 12 12 12 14
Phosphorus: 735 624 655 | 688 728 671 668 710 713 676 608 629 691 643 773
Zinc: 797 738 765 | 762 820 724 743 861 834 813 675 718 774 752 835
Barium: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16
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cSt Visc. @ 100°C (UOA) 7.96 8.05 7.73 | 8.34 8.25 7.93 7.80 8.45 8.04 8.14 8.21 8.12 7.72 7.94 7.09
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VOA MS5K cSt Visc. @ 100°C 7.48 7.48 7.48 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
MOBIL cSt Visc. @ 100°C 8.4 8.4 8.4 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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VOA PU cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 ---
SOPUS cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 ---
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SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 52.3 52.6 51.5 | 53.5 53.2 52.2 51.7 53.9 52.5 52.9 53.1 52.8 51.5 52.2 49.4
Flashpoint in °F 510 390 {C} | 415 405 420 415 410 425 405 390 410 390 400 390
MOBIL Flashpoint in °F 446 446 446 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
SOPUS Flashpoint in °F --- --- --- | 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 ---
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Fuel %
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Water % 0.2
Insolubles % 0.4 0.2 0.1 | 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1
TBN 2.7 2.6 3.7 | --- --- --- 5.4 --- --- 5.6 4.8 5.3 9.4 7.5 ---
TAN 2.6 4.3 --- | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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NOTES:
Acronyms:
BLKST=Blackstone | MS5K=Mobil | PU=Pennzoil
{A} Possibly SN in SM bottle; note drop in Calcium
{B} Air filter change; MC=Motorcraft, NG=Napa Gold
{C} Blackstone spilled sample; not enough to test FP and Fuel%