2003 S-10 4.3 v-6 Amsoil SSO 0W-30 32,796 Miles

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tig1
2 qts of oil were added at 25K with the filter change. How much did that cost? Also I find it hard to believe a 4.3 GM engine would not use some oil in the first 25K.

So what brand of engine would not use some oil? (hint all engines HAVE to use some oil)

Also read and see the 2 quarts of oil used was for filter maintenance.

Bill

PS: Its sad to see the bias....



You have the biass. His engine is a GM. we are talking about his engine, not anyone elses. Everyone knows all engines use some oil, especially in 25K. Also re read my comment. I stated the 2 qt at 25K filter change. I ask how much oil used in the first 25K. Typically GM engines will use some oil in that long of run.


So Fords do not? How about Chrysler motors? Blanket statement/mindsets do not have much value.

He said the 2 quarts was for oil filter changes. Just because he has a GM you come and make the comment "because GM motors use oil for this length of OCI". How many 25k OCIs do we have PERIOD here?

PLEASE do not say I have "bias". FAR from it. I don't only hang around people who drive fords and use only Mobil 1 like you do (or your comments indicate this)

Your statement above in red indicates YOUR bias. Thank you!

Bill


You have the biass in my view. That's my opinion. However, if it makes your heart happy lets just say, an engine with 25K will most likely use use some oil. If so it would be helpful to know how much. And yes Bill, Fords would use some oil in that distance as well. Feel better. Hope so.

 

[beast3300]

Ouch guys really it's ok. It is just motor oil. To the O.P. what color is the engine oil with it's current mileage? Did it change color (for the better) when you changed the filters at 25k?

Thanks

 

[Xerox_Guy]

Hey guys - Thanks for all the replies. let me clear a few things up:

I did change my oil at 107K (18,750 on oil) and at 129K (had 22K on oil) and 153K (had 24K on oil) and at 173K (no report). It has not been replaced since so at 198K (25K on the oil) and 206K (32K on the oil) the oil was NOT changed (and is still running). I have 208,132 on the truck now.

This motor seems to use a 1/2 qt of oil on the 1st 10k of a run but does not seem to need any more top-off oil from 10K to 25K. I then changed the Ea026 at 26K needing the 2Qts make-up on my 32K UOA.

What did the filter and 2qts cost at 26K? Oil - $8/qt and filter $12.00 (E-Bay!) = $28.

I am a Technician, so I drive alot (70%highway) and find this engine pretty good on the oil (the intake manifold gaskets I still question!)

FYI - The oil still looks light brown when checking the dipstick with a paper towel.

I will be glad to answer any more questions as I plan on 40K (to flush out the silicon and sodium) before dumping the 2 filters and oil for a fresh batch.

Thanks again

 

[tig1]

Xerox Guy,
Thanks for the info. Wow! 1/2 qt in 25K is remarkable. Keep up the good work as Amsoil is no doubt a great product. Will be interested in your future runs with the SSO.

 

[Cup of Joe]

Why not try some GM coolant tabs or bars stop leak?

 

[tig1]

Did you change the primary filter? If so, how many times.

 

[snoops454]

When you changed intake gaskets, what coolant did you refill with dexcool? It's a debated subject, but many claim it eats through gaskets. You say you changed these gaskets with 75k on the vehicle? with 208k you have more than double the mileage of the original failure. I would NOT recommend using stop leak. Mechanical fixes do not come in bottles. BTW nice sample!

 

[Xerox_Guy]

After changing the intake gaskets (Fel-Pro not GM) I bought some Amsoil (Propylene Glycol) instead of the DexCool route. I heard if I had another intake leak that PG is easier in the bearings then EG (Ethylene Glycol).
I also have to question: Is that where my Sodium/Silicon (27/34)is coming from?? With leaking intake gaskets and Dexcool my Potassium/Sodium went up (68/35) at 80K when I had the gaskets replaced. Interesting? What additive package does Amsoil coolant have?
Next question: Is the Fel-Pro gaskets failing? did I use the best? What are my options? I don't want to be a 3K OCI guy just to keep the antifreeze intrusion at bay?
I kind of like running 40K OCI's if I can (since I am using the BEST oil and Bypass filtration) but I am disappointed in the whole GM intake gasket issue.

Thanks again on your help.

 

[Gary Allan]

Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen the intake gasket fix not hold. That would be a shame since it tends to be an expensive fix. It's always one of those "do I really want to hassle with the guy who did it?" figuring he should have done it right the first time type thing.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Did you change the primary filter? If so, how many times.

Even Bill sees it, Tig. You just keep fishing and fishing for reasons that the stuff did so good.

"Well, it was only because he changed filters and added oil that it looked so good" ..without ever having to say it.

You're downright passive aggressive in your religious like worship of M1 and defending it against all challengers.

It's motor oil, Tig.

I love ya, pal!!!

Rock on!!!

 

[SteveSRT8]

no offense but if you did the job with Fel pro then the fault lies elsewhere. Not their gaskets. They will fix the issue if done properly. But no gasket can compensate for a poor job.

And X 2 on the M1 worship. It's not that bad of an oil, it's the fans....

 

[cheetahdriver]

i have to admit, with the 2 recent by-pass filter UOAs up, i have a hard time figuring out what to take away from them. is SSO a good oil? sure, but it doesn't have magic pixie dust in it. neither does M1, PP, PU GC etc. there are SSO UOAs up that show no better (in some cases worse) than the usual suspects.

my question would be where is the bypass filter 30k mile UOA using something else than Amsoil? does a 30k bypass UOA mean anything for me, who doesn't have a bypass filter arrangement? in an overall life cycle analysis, at what point does a bypass filter make sense?

edit ok, going back 10yrs i found a couple. 1 with M1 and one with Pennzoil Long Life, both in the early 0x's. both look about the same as this UOA, the M1 had considerably more makeup oil due to the filtration type. so it doesn't seem to matter who's oil you use with Bypass. i guess the question still is when does it make sense?

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: tig1
Did you change the primary filter? If so, how many times.

Even Bill sees it, Tig. You just keep fishing and fishing for reasons that the stuff did so good.

"Well, it was only because he changed filters and added oil that it looked so good" ..without ever having to say it.

You're downright passive aggressive in your religious like worship of M1 and defending it against all challengers.

It's motor oil, Tig.

I love ya, pal!!!

Rock on!!!

Gary,

Is it wrong to ask questions about how a man achieves quality with his oil. I want the details how he reached 32K with one OC. It's important to ask how many primary filter changes he had. That makes a big differance in oil quality and engine cleanliness. You don't have to feel I'm looking for flaws with Amsoil. You need to stop being so touchy about Amsoil. I think it's one of the best oils sold. I happen to be interested in the way long oil drains are achieved no matter what oil is used. You and Bill(you brought his name up)have some kind of problem with me expressing my questions, my way. You guys need to get off the M1 fear of taking your sales away, or someone supporting their(M1) product. Again show me where I have ever bashed, belittled, or said anything against any oil sold. Castrol marketing is another thing, but their product is fine.
Show me where I said it's only the filters that make Amsoil look good. I didn't say that at all.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
Gary,

Is it wrong to ask questions about how a man achieves quality with his oil.


Not at all. It's why you ask it. You're looking for excuses why it should receive credit where it is due.

Quote:
Show me where I said it's only the filters that make Amsoil look good.


No, you're right. You suggest it with looking endlessly for reasons why the UOA looks so good; leaving it unsaid, but rather implied ...passively.

Tig, you're a M1 disciple ..what other purpose could you possibly have being in this thread at all?

Are you contemplating switching to Amsoil?? Getting a bypass filter? ..or seeking ways to discount it so that you can continue to further some agenda that you allegedly do not have ..only desiring to peacefully make your way through the universe ...and endlessly promoting only the good things that come to mind ..about M1 (there's that Voight Kampff machine twitching again)???

I love you, pal, but if you think you're invisible, please ..this isn't Rompa-Room.

 

[tig1]

Gary, I do believe you are wrong about you assumptions on every count. You are not a mind reader, and don't have a clue, apparently, what I think. As for why I am in this thread, that isn't your concern, but I already answered that. I was a long Oil drain advocate when you were in diapers, I would think, and am interested in the way people do that. Yes! I won't be switching to Amsoil as I don't have a need to, and no, I won't be using secondary filters either. However I'm still interested in the success of those going long. Your obsession with my using M1 is apparent. It's OK, Gary that I do use it. Really it is.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
I was a long Oil drain advocate when you were in diapers


1956-1958? I doubt you had a license then, but you were surely well ahead of your time.

Quote:
Your obsession with my using M1 is apparent.


I find the use of M1 a perfectly healthy and wholesome act. I have no obsession with your use of it. I do have keen interest in your obsession with it. It's part of my ongoing explorations into the human condition in resolving why people do what they do.

 

[tig1]

Gary,
Actually I did start driving in 57-58. 49 Chevy pickup. Neat old trucks. Hpoe you have a fine day, and maybe we can work through our mis understandinds.

Gerald

 

[BeanCounter]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Gary,
Actually I did start driving in 57-58. 49 Chevy pickup. Neat old trucks. Hpoe you have a fine day, and maybe we can work through our mis understandinds.

Gerald


Of course you can.
Gary won't hold a grudge to you here.
It is all for the benefit of discussion and analysis here. One of the reasons people often try to get down to the reasoning behind why people are "obsessed" with a particular brand. It can add or detract support for why XYZ brand is the best, etc.

 

[slalom44]

Originally Posted By: cheetahdriver
i have to admit, with the 2 recent by-pass filter UOAs up, i have a hard time figuring out what to take away from them. is SSO a good oil? sure, but it doesn't have magic pixie dust in it. neither does M1, PP, PU GC etc. there are SSO UOAs up that show no better (in some cases worse) than the usual suspects.

my question would be where is the bypass filter 30k mile UOA using something else than Amsoil? does a 30k bypass UOA mean anything for me, who doesn't have a bypass filter arrangement? in an overall life cycle analysis, at what point does a bypass filter make sense?

edit ok, going back 10yrs i found a couple. 1 with M1 and one with Pennzoil Long Life, both in the early 0x's. both look about the same as this UOA, the M1 had considerably more makeup oil due to the filtration type. so it doesn't seem to matter who's oil you use with Bypass. i guess the question still is when does it make sense?



I agree that you can probably use a variety of good synthetics and get similar wear values on extended drains but how long can you go before it turns to sludge? I chose Amsoil SSO for my bypass setup and extended OCIs primarily because the TBN is high and holds up better than any other oil I have looked at. I've pored over hundreds of UOAs over the years and I have concluded that my best chance of going that long without turning to sludge was with SSO (and formerly TSO)

There are now a couple of other premium oils out there that might get close to SSO, but back in 2003 when I installed my bypass they didn't exist. It takes time and money to figure out how far you can push a particular oil - I'm going to stick with what I know works.

 

[Xerox_Guy]

Wow guys

I didn't mean to start a discussion on M1 vs Amsoil (or any other oil for that matter) only to show you that 32K oil changes (or 40K in my case) CAN BE DONE! it is also to show the 3K oci guys that they need to stop wasting there money for that "feel good" feeling after throwing away good oil with 3K on it. Yes - I am using the best oil possible along with a dual remote oil filtration setup - but still, Oil today (and modern engines) is not your Grandfather's oil (and engine).
Yes an oil change cost me @$91 (plus make-up oil and 1 filter at 25K) but so?? For 40K OCI's what a deal! 3K oci people would have at least 12 oil changes in that time and at what cost (and time)??
Thanks for leting me vent a little.