2003 Honda CRV Starter questions

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Tales of ongoing woe and dread...

My neighbor's 2003 Honda CRV EX stopped being able to start a week ago. We jumped started it last week so she could drive it to the local car electrical shop for diagnosis. I told her to ask them to check the battery and starter. After she was there, I talked to the technician on the phone. He told me the battery was bad. I asked if the starter was also a problem. He said it's the battery, not the starter. I didn't ask more questions because I didn't want to interrogate him to much. Big mistake on my part.

Yesterday (Thurs Jan 22) my cousin replaced the battery with a new 24F 585 CCA battery (an upgrade). Still won't start. My cousin has been saying all along that he suspected the starter. Now he thinks it was both starter and the old battery.

I called the technician back. He then admitted that he'd only tested the battery. The battery failed a load test. He never tester the starter. He just assumed the starter was OK. 😮‍💨😡

Even though it now has a new battery, we can't get it started. Not even with a wall plugin powered jump starter hooked up to boost the new battery. So my neighbor can't drive it back to the car electric shop. We'd either have to have it towed there, or my cousin could remove the starter and bring it to that shop for testing and possible repair, rebuild, or replacement. Or he could remove it and bring it to Oreilly for testing.

What do you recommend? We don't have a list/hoist. We do have a basic hydraulic floor jack, but my cousin doesn't like crawling under cars for repairs. We have 6 pt sockets and wrenches, and all basic tools.

My cousin asked me to ask BITOG if the K24 engine's starter can be easily removed from topside of hoodbay?

We live in SW OR & WA. It's very wet here, but very little road salts are used in winters. Rust is much less than Midwest or Northeast. That should mean the bolts are probably not overly rusty.
 
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It is not a complicated process, but somewhat time consuming because the intake manifold must be fully removed to easily access the starter. Some individuals claim that it can be done from the bottom side with the vehicle on ramps or jackstands, but I was unable to reach the upper mounting bolt from underneath. Note that the extended upper bolt on the starter has been known to be corroded in place to the point where the threads on the transmission become stripped (as discussed on this recent BITOG thread)! Here are two videos that show the starter replacement process on a Gen 2 CR-V.





It is also possible that the electrical portion of the ignition switch could be defective causing the no-start condition. Listen for a "buzzing" sound in the dash as discussed in the video below. The switch is inexpensive (~$12 on Amazon) and easy to replace as shown in the video. I'd be inclined to replace the switch before replacing the starter. For complete transparency, I replaced the starter first, only to discover later the real problem was a bad ignition switch.

 
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OK. I think I'll have my cousin replace the electrical portion of starter switch since it's a cheap and simple thing to do. Then if it still won't start, I'll suggest my neighbor have it towed to the car electrical specialty shop and then it's their problem.

My neighbor is poor, but her parents are middle class and her grandma is wealthy. So if she needs help paying for having it towed to car electrical repair shop for further evaluation and possibly a starter, her family can help her pay for that.
 
I would also test out the battery negative to frame and engine grounds for voltage drop / excessive resistance.
Common issue in humid locations that would make you think it was a starter issue.
2 minute test with a set of jumper cables to rule it out, at the very least.
 
check and see if the solenoid is getting power when the key is in the start position. if its does its probalby the starter. pretty common issue for CRV's. they are very cheap off of amazon. like $50 or so . i did one on a 2002 and it was not too hard. need to remove the intake as the starter is under it . the hardest part i recall was getting the bottom bolt out and its a 17mm head and a long extension. and its on tight from the factory .
 
No need to remove the intake. Do it from below. Miserable but probably same amount of time with out the additional cost for gaskets. Eric the car guy has a good video on YouTube. Do NOT get a cheap starter. Get a Denso. Once you do it, you won't want to do it again. I used an AC Delco and it didn't last 1 year. You will need a long ratchet and a variety of extensions. Removing the knock sensor makes it easier to remove the weird long top bolt and keeps you from breaking that
 
It’s not hard to pull the intake, just need a new LIM gasket-and you will need a breaker bar to loosen the starter bolts! Just did the starter on my son’s K24 ‘07 Accord 2 weeks ago, used a new TYC from RA. Works great! Knew it was bad when a new battery, jumping it, & a 4KW lithium jump starter COMBINED only caused a 15 amp draw when attempting to crank…
 
Conclusion...

The many years old Interstate (Johnson) 51R battery was discharged and wouldn't accept a charge. We replaced it with a new 24F Oreilly Superstart (East Penn), but the 03 Honda CRV still wouldn't turn over.

My cousin put the CRV on a car hauler trailer and delivered it to United Battery. They tested the electrical system. The starter was bad. They installed a rebuilt AC Delco starter. It's starts fine now.

Then it ocurred to me that we might be able to salvage the old 51R battery. I removed cell caps. Water was very low. I added distilled water. I put my Batteryminder 1500 (1.5A) smart trickle charger/maintainer on it for 5 days.

My cousin retested the old 51R battery. It's working fine now. He installed it in his ancient Ford farm tractor, which needed a battery. It starts his tractor just fine. So that battery has been successfully repurposed.

I think the CRV K24 valves are overdue for checking the gap and adjusting. So that will need to be done in future.
 
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