~2.8 year old - 30k check in - 2021 VW ID.4 Pro S AWD

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Figure time to go ahead and do a check in for my 2021 VW ID.4 Pro S AWD since it has hit it's 30k milestone, was going to wait for the 3 year mark but here we are thanks to a couple regional road trips. I bought this CPO so only ~16k miles of these have been under my watch, it was owned by the sales guy who sold me a Jetta TDI and the eGolf that it replaced and he is typical German guy who demands perfection so outside of the tire wear it was pretty much brand new.

Maintenance:

VW covers first 2 year of service or 20k miles so no cost to me until the 30k service I had performed around the 28k mile mark.

Cost for 30k: $269.89 (excluding tires)
Per mile: ~$.01

Efficiency:

Since my 3.1 software update back in May 2023 I have averaged ~103MPGe or about 3.05 mi/KWH even on the non-EV Michelin CrossClimate 2 tires. Reports are the CC2's kill EV range but I have not seen that at all, I am routinely seeing well above EPA estimates on road trips. Cruise set at 75 MPH for 20-30 mile stretches I see the window sticker EPA rating of 89 MPGe. Very happy with the efficiency. While this is a low moderate range EV compared to newest models it is the perfect regional road tripper, it hits my fly vs drive range bubble with one charge, anything beyond that thank you Delta Air Lines and Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson airport.

Ride, drive, performance, etc.:

Not many complaints here. Very good performance, even if I had just a RWD version I would be completely good with the performance. I really only get the front motor in action 2-3x per month and not because of traction, just goosing the throttle to squirt into traffic. Ride is excellent if the road is smooth to moderate, it does crash a little bit over rougher roads but I attribute that to the 42 PSI tire settings. Handling is competent but nothing to write home about, this thing is heavy and it shows it's weight. Old VW commercials pretending like it's a family hot hatch are so off base.

Comfort:


I know I may be laughed out of here for this comment but I think VW makes some of the best seats in the business. Dating back to my '03 Golf that I drove from San Francisco bay area to Jacksonville, FL in 4 days I have never had any issues with long haul comfort/support in any of my VW's, ID.4 doesn't disappoint even after ~5 hours in the seat. On top of the seat comfort and ergonomics the a/c in this thing will freeze you out quickly even in days approaching 100F, the a/c in this thing rivals that of my Dodge Neon that Chrysler felt the need to put the same compressor in that they put in the minivans.

Road tripping, range & charging:

Charging cost: $686.99
Miles: 16,190
Per mile: .0424

**90% of charging cost is from road tripping. I mostly charge for free at work via L2 and have free slow L1 charging in the garage at my apartment.

Slowly expanding my range bubble with my ID.4. I'm up to ~300 miles one way, I feel like 400 miles each way is going to be my fly vs drive limit so it may be 1-2 charges each way. This is a great road tripper if you have a robust charging network along the way which I did for my trip to Charleston, SC from Atlanta. I have done the Asheville, NC run with it 6 times now and that run was horrific at first, a little better now but still not optimal because of such crap available charging along the way along with a dumpster fire charging network in Asheville. While VW states my ID.4 will only get max 135KW after 3.1 update I was routinely seeing 173KW to 20% when I started charging with the battery between 9-12%, 80% was fully achievable in 30 minutes if not less.

Cons:

Don't want this to be a fluff piece. Yes the weird drivers window switches still suck it hard and yes the infotainment can be laggy but you just kind of adapt. Just like those rental cars you get where it takes a little bit to learn how to use the trip computer, infotainment, etc. the ID.4 is no different - once you know the infotainment you can be-bop around in there quite quickly and it is no issue at all.

Overall:

I am pleased as punch with my ID.4 and it is a fantastic tool for my short commute that absolutely destroyed my ICE vehicles before because they never warmed up to operating temp for months at a time. It is a very agreeable regional road tripper for the 3-4x per year I need to go 200-400 miles. Knock on 10 cords of wood it has been dead nuts reliable (excluding recalls) and tight as a drum for 30k miles.

Charging at a friendly Ford dealer somewhere in rural South Carolina on a road trip back from Charleston.

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I'm 6'3" and the seats in my GLI are quite bad for trips, both being too hard and too short. I'm starting to think VW seat gripes may originate from taller drivers without proper leg support and they may be great for shorter drivers. How tall are you?
 
I'm 6'3" and the seats in my GLI are quite bad for trips, both being too hard and too short. I'm starting to think VW seat gripes may originate from taller drivers without proper leg support and they may be great for shorter drivers. How tall are you?
I had a 2004 Passat Wagon from new to 2018, everyone in the family ranges from 6'1" to 6'6" and all could sit in seats even with the sunroof.
 
Thanks. Glad it's working well for you.
I've always like the mid high end model VW seats.

Is there any way to accurately measure battery degradation?
 
Well written, it would be great to see more of this. Wife and I looked at an ID.4 Wasnt much in the market, still not but REALLY liked the looks of the car. VW brand scares me sometimes so nice to see the EV's are reliable.
We may have looked into this further but much of the Carolina Coast is rural and the nearest dealer that we looked at the car is in Myrtle Beach, that is a 45 minute ride each way. I was thinking of the dilemma of getting it serviced. Anyway interesting post at some point we are going to replace my wife's car (or maybe mine)... but there is no rush and I mean it could be another year or two (max)
 
Is there any way to accurately measure battery degradation?
I was interested in this as well so researched it. Unlike the Hyundai-Kia products which maintains an SoH value, readable using OBD, with the iD4 all you have is the currently available energy in kWh which at 100% charge you’d have to compare with the specified value when new.
 
I was interested in this as well so researched it. Unlike the Hyundai-Kia products which maintains an SoH value, readable using OBD, with the iD4 all you have is the currently available energy in kWh which at 100% charge you’d have to compare with the specified value when new.

Depends what the SoH value actually is; how they got to that number. It could very well be a theoretical value, like a lot of ICE engines show a theoretical oil temperature value on the CAN and there isn't an oil temp sensor to begin with.
 
I was interested in this as well so researched it. Unlike the Hyundai-Kia products which maintains an SoH value, readable using OBD, with the iD4 all you have is the currently available energy in kWh which at 100% charge you’d have to compare with the specified value when new.

Bummer.
Probably need to use an OBD scanner to get it.
There's something somewhere in some menu, the resale value of the car depends on that.
 
Thanks. Glad it's working well for you.
I've always like the mid high end model VW seats.

Is there any way to accurately measure battery degradation?

I was interested in this as well so researched it. Unlike the Hyundai-Kia products which maintains an SoH value, readable using OBD, with the iD4 all you have is the currently available energy in kWh which at 100% charge you’d have to compare with the specified value when new.

Bummer.
Probably need to use an OBD scanner to get it.
There's something somewhere in some menu, the resale value of the car depends on that.

There is a OBD measurement of maximum energy content which you can use to determine degradation. As new the 2021's with LG packs have ~77KWh maximum capacity (82KWh gross), newer ID.4 with the SK packs I believe have been pushed up to 79KWh max. My pack currently fluctuates between ~7.1-7.5% degradation (71.2-71.5KWh max capacity) but in it's defense I have not done a battery calibration since September or October last year, that will usually recover ~2-3% capacity for a number of months until it drifts back down.
 
Bummer.
Probably need to use an OBD scanner to get it.
There's something somewhere in some menu, the resale value of the car depends on that.
I could be wrong but I don't think any EV after the Nissan Leaf shows SoH (state of health) on the dash or menus, where available you'd always need to use a simple Bluetooth dongle and a free phone app. You configure the EV in the app and it finds all available data for you, not implying that it's all that easy for the average car buyer to carry out ... plus the dealer would have to be cooperative.

But, that high degradation typical of the early Leaf has not been a major factor in more modern EVs with cooled battery packs.
 
Always interesting to see how diagnostics work on these cars and what you get from them.

There are 4 ways to get this info with a tesla -

From the car
You can put the car in service mode and perform a health test, but it can take 24 hours to run.

You can take it to a service center and pay to run their tool.

Phone
You can use the tesla app but that just tells you if you are within a preset degradation parameter

The teslafi app - can give you a number.
 
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