$14.83 for Harley Filter

[Jeff_D]

Originally Posted By: Boraticus
The average Joe and Mary Public don't like motorcycles and I'm certain that strange motorcyclists aren't invited in for tea on a regular basis.
I'm sure if someone appears to be a "Real" 1%er they'de be give a wide berth by the general public. I think most people can distiguish between an average Joe, dressed up in leather and riding a Harley (a poser, if that's what you want to call them), and a legit bad [censored] that lives in a world most will never see. I atleast think I can, and my intuition hasn't bit me in the butt yet.

I've never felt looked down upon, or felt I'd been treated poorly because I was on a bike, by non motorcyclist. Maybe I'm obtuse, or just been lucky so far?

I have had alot of people go out of their way to talk to me when I'm on a bike, though. Usually trying to strike up a friendly conversation.

Not saying your experience is wrong, Boraticus, but thankfully I've not experinced the same.

 

[porkchop01]

Why so many anti Harley people here?

 

[boraticus]

Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Why so many anti Harley people here?



Not anti-Harley.

More anti-noisy-parking lot-Charlie Manson-Village People look-alike-wannabe-side show.

Unfortunately, Harley happens to be their idol of worship. Kind of drags the mark down with them.....

 

[porkchop01]

Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Why so many anti Harley people here?



Not anti-Harley.

More anti-noisy-parking lot-Charlie Manson-Village People look-alike-wannabe-side show.

Unfortunately, Harley happens to be their idol of worship. Kind of drags the mark down with them.....
Well lets see here, Dont hear any Harley riders bashing the snobs on Honda's for wearing shorts and flip flops on a bike. Leathers give protection from road rash if you go down. So why do you realy hate Harley's? Is it because you arent man enough for one,or cant afford one?

 

[Ausfahrt]

Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Why so many anti Harley people here?



Not anti-Harley.

More anti-noisy-parking lot-Charlie Manson-Village People look-alike-wannabe-side show.

Unfortunately, Harley happens to be their idol of worship. Kind of drags the mark down with them.....



Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The Joy of Motorcycle Riding"

I love motorcycles, and I love riding. Like many of you what first drew me to bikes was not just the experience of riding, but the feeling that I'd become part of a special community - a brotherhood, really. Nothing calms me more than a long ride down the interstate, waving to the members of my beloved clan. Except when I pass Harley guys. I hate Harley guys. Hate, hate, hate. When they pass me on the highway, you know what I do? I don't wave. With their little tassel handlebars and the studded luggage and the half helmets - God, they drive me crazy.

You know who else I hate? BMW guys. Oh, do I hate those guys. I don't wave at them either. They think they're so great, sitting all upright, with their 180 degree German engines. God, I hate them. They're almost as bad as those old [censored] on their touring motorcycles. You know what I call those bikes? "Two wheeled couches!" Get it? Because they're so big. They drive around like they have got all day. Appreciate the scenery somewhere else, Grandpa, and while your at it, I'm not waving to you.

Ducati guys - I don't wave at them either. Why they don't spend a little more money on their bikes? "You can have it in any color as long as it is red." Aren't you cool! Like they even know what a Desmo-whatever engine is, anyway. Try finding the battery, you Italian-wannabe racers! I never, ever wave at those guys.

Suzuki guys aren't much better, which is why I never wave at them, either. They always have those stupid helmets sitting on the top of their stupid heads, and God forbid they should ever wear any safety gear. They make me so mad. Sometimes they'll speed by and look over at me and you know what I do? I don't wave I just keep going. Please, don't get me started on Kawasaki guys. Ninjas? What are you, twelve years old? Team Green my [censored]. I never wave at Kawasaki guys.

I ride a Honda, and I'll only wave at Honda guys, but even then, I'll never wave at a guy in full leathers. Never, never, never. Yeah like you're going to get your knee down on the New York Thruway. Nice crotch, by the way. Guys in full leathers will never get a wave from me, and by the way, neither will the guys in two piece leathers. And I'll tell you who else I'm not waving at - those guys with the helmets with loud paint jobs. Four pounds of paint on a two pound helmet - like I'm going to wave back at that! I'll also never wave at someone with a mirrored visor. Or helmet stickers. Or racing gloves. Or hiking boots.

To me, motorcycling is like a family, a close knit brotherhood of people who ride Hondas, wear jeans and a leather jacket (not Vanson) with regular gloves and a solid color helmet with a clear visor, no stickers, no racing gloves and regular boots (not Timberlands). And isn't that what really makes riding so special.

 

[harley145000]

how did an oil filter question turn into a harley bashing post?managers please remove all negitive posts on this thread.

 

[live_to_hunt]

Tell me about it this thread got jacked and shredded by people I had a simple question on the filter. My wifes vehicle I use a WIX filter and it cross references with my bike. I was hoping a few people said they use a WIX instead it turned into a bash fest. But I read it everyday looking for what I wanted and never did see it so Harley Filter it is

 

[G-MAN]

Originally Posted By: live_to_hunt
Tell me about it this thread got jacked and shredded by people I had a simple question on the filter. My wifes vehicle I use a WIX filter and it cross references with my bike. I was hoping a few people said they use a WIX instead it turned into a bash fest. But I read it everyday looking for what I wanted and never did see it so Harley Filter it is


I use a SuperTech ST3614, which Champion confirmed meets Harley OEM specs. I would imagine that if Wix cross references one of their car filters for the Harley, it too meets the OEM specs.

 

[boraticus]

Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Originally Posted By: boraticus
Originally Posted By: porkchop01
Why so many anti Harley people here?



Not anti-Harley.

More anti-noisy-parking lot-Charlie Manson-Village People look-alike-wannabe-side show.

Unfortunately, Harley happens to be their idol of worship. Kind of drags the mark down with them.....
Well lets see here, Dont hear any Harley riders bashing the snobs on Honda's for wearing shorts and flip flops on a bike. Leathers give protection from road rash if you go down. So why do you realy hate Harley's? Is it because you arent man enough for one,or cant afford one?


Yeahh....right. Ballistic nylon with body armour isn't a good as leather???

Right again... Not man enough for a Harley but man enough for a Valkyrie which is a Harley eating girly bike ya?

Can't afford one? I'm sure there's a Harley somewhere I can afford. After all, there's thousands upon thousands of them for sale parked out in front of the owner's trailers. Shoot! I'm sure I've got two or three grand around here somewhere.

But hey! If I spend all the money on the bike, I won't have any left to buy the masquerade regalia will I? What to do? What to do?

 

[Jeff_D]

Originally Posted By: bigdreama
I love motorcycles, and I love riding. Like many of you what first drew me to bikes was not just the experience of riding, but the feeling that I'd become part of a special community - a brotherhood, really..........


..........To me, motorcycling is like a family, a close knit brotherhood of people who ride Hondas, wear jeans and a leather jacket (not Vanson) with regular gloves and a solid color helmet with a clear visor, no stickers, no racing gloves and regular boots (not Timberlands). And isn't that what really makes riding so special.
Haa-haa-haa, you've hit it on the head, big dreama!!

That's how it is for some people, isn't it!! You could switch the brands around, willy-nilly, and it'd still be the same.

Whom ever the original author get's a thumb's up from me!!

You too!!

 

[porkchop01]

Any way back to filters, I emailed WIX and asked them about the flow rate and micron off the 51348 that is listed for the TC88 compared to the HD 5 micron filter and about two weeks later i got a reply back saying that they baught a HD filter and tested it and it tested the same as there 51348. So the WIX should work just fine for half the cost.

 

[dnewton3]

Hey, Live_to_hunt, please don't get discouraged. I know it seems silly, as people can't stay on topic many times.

Look at the thread above, and that should tell you everything you need to know. I also have emailed Wix upon occasions with questions; sometimes I get good detailed data in the answer, other times I just get marketing hype. At this point, I'll take porkchop01 at his word.

Wix took a Harley filter, actually tested it, and made their product recommendation of a 51348 compared to the "premium" HD filter. That ought to tell you something right there; the "best" HD filter is really not much if any better than a common, well made Wix filter. Just because HD calls their premium filter a "5um" filter, does not make it so. In fact, if HD does not claim a particular ISO testing standard with that 5um claim, then no one can really complain because they are not "lying" if they don't quote a test standard. They can claim it to be a 5um filter, because at some point, on some level, it might be 5um "nominally", but unless they quote a filtration standard along with that 5um claim, it's pretty much meaningless. Wix, Purolator, and others all claim "XX.x % efficient" and then denote a standard that claim is based upon. I cannot find information (although it may exist) as to what test standard Harley based the 5um rating on. I've been trying to follow all the pages of this thread, but I may have missed the information if it was presented; please bring me up to speed if I missed it.

If Wix recommends their 51348 for the TC88, and you use it, and it fails and creates/allows damage, then Wix will be liable. As they are a well respected company, they would make good on any claim you had. But the reality is that they are in business to sell filters and make money, not pay out warranty claims. They (or any other filter maker for that matter) would NEVER recommend a filter that they thought would not protect the engine to a level that the OEM specified. It simply does not make sense.

I will not get into a debate about which brand filter is "best", but I will say that most quality brands we all recognize (Wix, Champion, Bosch, Purolator, etc) make filters that are tested and assured to function safely and effectively in the arena for which they are specified.

I posted way back several pages ago; I would not hesitate at all to use the 51348 on a HD, even the TC88. The HD 5um filter is probably like everthing else they sell; overpriced with moderate performance. The same can be said for their oils.

If anyone really wanted to put this topic to bed, they would use a 5um HD filter for 5k miles, then a 51348 for 5k miles, with equal exposure and holding all variables to a minimum. Then send the two filters off for particle count analysis. Let the data tell you if the HD filter is worth 2x the money! In the absence of that data, I'll take Wix at their word, as their reputation is quite stout, and their products are quite well made.

 

[02zx9r]

Originally Posted By: boraticus


I find most of the Harley guys I know tend to seldom ride. If they do, it's a short hop to the donut shop to stand around looking at their bikes. These guys aren't bikers. They're fashionistas using a bike to draw attention to themselves. They'll never make the transition from rags to wrenches. Their bizarre side shows kind of demeans motorcycling in general and puts undue hardship on the real Harley riders.


I agree with most of your points. However, most of the Harley guys I know are pretty knowledgable (more so than me) on motorcycle mechanics and do ride. Case in point, Two electra glide UC, 1 road king, 1 heritage soft tail, 1 kawi vulcan and I (Ninja zx9r) rode from RI to NY twice in 2 weeks (365 miles round trip each day trip.) so there are some true riders out there, but I know what you are saying, and do agree!

P.S.
I wave to ALL motorcycle riders. We are all taking chances out there.

I ALWAYS wear, helmet, leather jacket, riding jeans, riding boots, and gloves. Once you go down once, you tend to appreciate the protective gear and it is like second nature to put it on always.

Leather is for abrasion resistance ie... sliding on the ground. You hit a brick wall it aint gonna do squat, but sliding on the asphalt, trust me you want it.

 

[HarleyGuy]

live_to_hunt check your msgs.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: boraticus


But hey! If I spend all the money on the bike, I won't have any left to buy the masquerade regalia will I? What to do? What to do?


Just buy all your Harley garb on ebay.....

Bottom line...you keep wearing all that gay nylon gear and you are sentencing yourself to a life of staring at sagmasters...

All the chicks with perky cones like the leather & black tshirts...sorry

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3

In the absence of that data, I'll take Wix at their word, as their reputation is quite stout, and their products are quite well made.


Please post up when your engine grenades...

j/k

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: harley145000
how did an oil filter question turn into a harley bashing post?


There are HD bashers everywhere. No big deal....the guys with small endowment have to ride something.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: boraticus


I find most of the Harley guys I know tend to seldom ride. .


Ever consider that maybe those are the only Harley riders that will associate with you?...nothing personal...just sayin

 

[boraticus]

Originally Posted By: PT1
Originally Posted By: boraticus


But hey! If I spend all the money on the bike, I won't have any left to buy the masquerade regalia will I? What to do? What to do?


Just buy all your Harley garb on ebay.....

Bottom line...you keep wearing all that gay nylon gear and you are sentencing yourself to a life of staring at sagmasters...

All the chicks with perky cones like the leather & black tshirts...sorry


Wishful thinking bud.

I've seen plenty a scary hag on the back of Harleys. More often than not. It would appear that HD riders are as dillusional about there women as they are about their bikes. But hey! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? Now I know why HD riders are into skulls so much. Reminds them of their women.

 

[ZGRider]

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
G-man is right on. The import wannabees are cheaply made. The only place Japanese bikes are better is with the Sport crotch rockets, which Harley has no desire to compete with. Oh and resale value --- no Japanese bike can match a Harley there. And parts? Wow, still can get parts for early 1900's Harleys but good luck getting parts for even a 1990 Japanese bike.

I ride a Kawasaki Concours 14 and I can tell you this -- Harley does do a good job now days on quality control and fit and finish, but there is no way in [censored] any Harley can outrun, out handle, or out perform a C14. That bike has 145 HP, 100 ft/lbs of torque, shaft drive, removable luggage, electrically adjustable windshield, tire pressure sensors, radial brake calipers, petal rotors, upside-down forks and will corner hard enough to make most men wet their pants !! How is that for quality? And they don't break down and last forever. I ride with another rider that has a 1st generation Kawasaki Concours and it has 130,000 miles on the original unopened engine. He rides 30,000 mile a year and is a documented Iron Butt Rider. So I don't think 4000 mile a year riders can really evaluate a motorcycle's total quality. It is one thing to have lots of shiny chrome to polish, it is another to build in handling, power, performance, and longevity.