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Yeah, keep laughing at yourself. I don't see anyone agreeing with you.
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Some people use statistics as a drunk would use a lampost - more for support, rather than illumination. No stats necessary to support this case of ugly Americanism.

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Because you'e been exposed. Nobody jumped in because you made it a pointless America-hate, Ace-Wizz. To wit:

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Yeah, keep laughing at yourself. I don't see anyone agreeing with you.
Some people use statistics as a drunk would use a lampost - more for support, rather than illumination. No stats necessary to support this case of ugly Americanism.




THAT'S the answer we were looking for..

Protege' of Ward Churchill at Colorado State, you must have studied your history at his knee
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, no doubt!

I knew it! For the record, stats and proof are the enemies of the emotionally burdened.
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Guy's, GUY'S!! I started this thread for some good advice! Not for you to be angry with each others views. Let's shake and make up! AND, Keep to the threads original meaning!!

Thanks in advance!
 
I haven't read through the whole thread, but I just posted a 7500K mile run of PP in my 4-cyl Mazda3. Yes, I know it's a totally different application than the Durango, but I just want to show that 7500 miles should be fine with PP.

Personally, I like the idea of a 7500 mile with synthetic then a used oil analysis before you go any further.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...ge=0#Post736913
 
Those stories are scary, Thunder.. I'd do 5K syn, 3K dino, maybe. Could all those people be wrong? Is that a sludger, or are every SINGLE one of those folks non-changers?

And, how do you still have SDF filters? Don't you know they're "obsolete" now that the EaO filters are out?
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toocrazy:

Well, those stories are for the 5.2 engine mostly. And after doing some soul searching and reading, I am going to stick to my 5K oci's and switch out my filter at 10K after I drain it of the old oil. I am going to keep this truck for a very long time!! My goal is to get to 300,000 for my first attempt and then hope to reach 500,000. Also, my SDF filters... heh heh heh. I bought 2 cases of those for my truck way back. When I learned they were going to cancel them for the EaO filters, I bought another case. Good price from a friend.
 
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Because you'e been exposed. Nobody jumped in because you made it a pointless America-hate, Ace-Wizz. To wit:

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Yeah, keep laughing at yourself. I don't see anyone agreeing with you.
Some people use statistics as a drunk would use a lampost - more for support, rather than illumination. No stats necessary to support this case of ugly Americanism.




THAT'S the answer we were looking for..

Protege' of Ward Churchill at Colorado State, you must have studied your history at his knee
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, no doubt!

I knew it! For the record, stats and proof are the enemies of the emotionally burdened.
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I don't like seeing idealism get the best of the facts. Speed kills. A simple truth. The higher the rate of travel the lower the survival rate. All of Europe is not German(thanks to WWII)
Anyone ever smell Rome on a hot summer night? They need Emmissions testing badly, I can't imagine what the heallth issues would be if the auto ownership rates approached americans rates.
 
Emission testing is required by EU. I don't know if Italy follows this but they are certainly a part of the EU..
 
Well, my daughter was in Greece, and was startled by the smoker-cars over there. Old Bugs, Renaults and stinkie, belching old Mercedes diesels..

Greece is Europe, too. Italy had a lot of tiny boxy little cars all over the place, maybe little Fiats, and they were old and smokey. Maybe they grandfather old cars and peeps keep them going no matter what owing to the expense of a new one, I have no idea.

Thunder, the SDFs are high capacity. Drain em if you will but you should be using them for 2 OCI, or you're wasting them. Tell you what, I'll trade you two-for-1 PureOnes for your SDFs, and you can change THOSE every OCI. Maybe I'll buy your once-used SDFs after you drain em???

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Maybe the countries north of the Mediterranean Sea doesn't comply to the laws and regulations made by the politicians in Belgium
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I don't like seeing idealism get the best of the facts. Speed kills. A simple truth. The higher the rate of travel the lower the survival rate. All of Europe is not German(thanks to WWII)




However the Autobahn has a lower death rate per capita than the US. This was also shown when Montana re-instated the no speed limit in the mid/late 90's. The death rate decreased and once they re-instated the speed limit it went back up.

Also Italy is known for some fast driving, mainly on the Autostrada where 90-100 mph is not out of the norm.
 
Here is on stat btw:

The annual fatality rate (3.2 per billion km in 2004) is consistently lower than that of most other superhighway systems, including the US Interstates (5.0 in 2003).
 
I think any oil is going to be fine within 5k. Push it to 7.5k and get a used oil analysis. See where ur at then. If the used oil analysis looks good, take it to 10k and get another one done. Then you will have peace of mind that 10k is ok.
 
Nice, Ace, but we already know YOUR bias..

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That combines all of our urban freeways, to wit: "The Interstate System is the safest road system in the country, with a fatality rate of 0.8—(per 100 million miles) compared with 1.46 for all roads in 2004". That's not just the urban areas, that includes all urban freeways that fall under the "Interstate Shield" system including beltways and thruways that carry heavy traffic into and out of cities. It is a far more intricate network and carries a more complex mix of vehicles than the Euro superhighway system. US Interstates, rural and urban, routinely handle 80,000 lb. tandom trailers, 10,000 gallon gasoline tankers and a more varied mix of HAZMATS the Euros consider more properly handled by rail.

I realize you weren't joining in on AceWizz's hate-America rant, but a comparison of the European continent's total fatality rate per 100 million miles driven across their entire road system is a more proper measure. And even that doesn't allow an equivalent number because the Euros simply don't allow the heavy trucking and transport of HAZMATS across their roads that we do here in the states..

Mine comes from DOT DOT , where's yours come from? I'm curious to see what their measure of traffic is, the type, weight, and materials transported. Found other links quoting 3.0 deaths per 100 million KM, but not a billion. You have the link for that stat? Not busting chops, just curious now..
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Hey, if you want to live in Europe among the great drivers, that is your right. Move today.

We will all try to get along without you.

Bye!
 
Seems odd that some of the posts on BITOG have gotten a bit mean and argumentative lately...like the cat fights over Dex Cool or this one over highway safety.

Germany, France, and Switzerland used to have slightly better highway safety rates than the USA. This was interesting since highway speeds were higher in Europe, and the road systems were better in America.

The Autobahn has a more level surface, due to design, construction, and maintenance.

The Autobahn also has many sections that are narrow two lanes without breakdown lanes, or median...just two lanes with guardrails. The Merrit Parkway in Connecticut is like the Autobahn, an older less forgiving design. In other words, when there are accidents, especially in fog and rain, there are no safe places to go to avoid an accident.

But the Autobahn has a flat surface, unlike the American highways where there are uneven surfaces that can throw the cars around even at 65 mph. I-70 Westbound coming down from the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado has a section that is so bad that it is barely safe at 65 mph on a dry road.

I drive in Germany at 130 mph to 155 mph when conditions, traffic, and speed limits allow. [ I'd drive faster , if I could afford faster cars ]

Sadly, the famous Autobahn of old is disappearing due to heavy traffic many slower vehicles, and increased truck and van traffic.

The modern Autobahn has very high traffic, with a huge speed differential, on older highway designs, with frequent bad weather [ overcast, rainy, foggy ]

But other factors like driver traing and licensing standards and vehicle mintenance requirements are also important.

Look at the 2003 fatality rate on highways for the countries below, and you'll see that the US highways are not the safest.

KILLED per 1 BILLION Veh·Km year 2003

Maximum Motorway Speed Limit in 2003 in (mph)

Austria 5.9 (80)
Czech Republic 9.9 (80)
Denmark 3.0 (80)
Finland 1.4 (75)
France 4.0 (80)
Germany 3.8 (80) (advisory)
Ireland 7.4 (75)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_safety

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Canada 8.9
The United States 9.4
Germany 9.7

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There are theories about traffic safety like Smeeds Law:

"Smeed's Law, after RJ Smeed who first proposed the relationship in 1949, is an empirical rule relating traffic fatalities to motor vehicle registrations and population. Thus annually increasing traffic volume leads to a decrease in accidents per vehicle. It was posited after an analysis of figures from a number of countries over several decades.

Smeed's formula is expressed as:


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where D is annual road deaths, n is number of registered vehicles and p is population.
Smeed showed this relationship worked with 20 different countries. The relationship was revisited by John Adams in 1987 who held that it was valid for a variety of countries over time, for example in Great Britain from 1909 to 1973. In 1995 Adams further showed the relationship worked for the data of 62 countries. However, the validity of Smeed's Law has also been disputed by several other authors (for example Andreassen 1985, Broughton 1988, Oppe 1991, Ammen & Naji 2000)."



http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~jadams/PDFs/smeed's law.pdf


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My opinion is that the US highways in some areas are better in Europe. If they were maintained better and kept flat, then properly maintained high speed cars and properly trained drivers would probably post very good fatality/ passenger mile data.
 
I wish there was an edit feature:

Here is the data that dropped out on the motorway safety data.

Japan 4.0 (60)
The Netherlands 2.1 (75)
Slovenia 8.1 (80)
Sweden 2.5 (70)
Switzerland 2.8 (75)
United Kingdom 2.0 (70)
United States 5.2 (75)

The next set of data with Germany, Canada, and USA shows total fatalities per distance for these countries...not just on highways.
 
toocrazy;

You are right about that oil filter change. I am going to do that from now on. I learned about that from here so I am going to follow it. Those filters are expensive and I know that their design is meant to be for longer intervals. And, no thanks, I am going to keep them.

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