Originally Posted By: demarpaint
...and I have close to 30 qts in the garage year round.
That's a serious MMO stash!
...and I have close to 30 qts in the garage year round.
That's a serious MMO stash!
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Originally Posted By: panthermike
Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
Based on how much it thickened up in my freezer test, I find a pour point of -60 hard to believe.
Its a 5 weight oil. Its not going to thicken up in a freezer. Its so thin it doesn't even pour like oil - it pours like water. Its actually a useful additive in winter just to slightly thin even synthetic oil for better cold start performance. Add in that it will also work well with whatever oil you add it to for some once a year cleaning, and you have an ideal dual use winter additive that costs next to nothing. And is time tested and proven.
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Originally Posted By: panthermike
Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
Based on how much it thickened up in my freezer test, I find a pour point of -60 hard to believe.
Its a 5 weight oil. Its not going to thicken up in a freezer. Its so thin it doesn't even pour like oil - it pours like water. Its actually a useful additive in winter just to slightly thin even synthetic oil for better cold start performance. Add in that it will also work well with whatever oil you add it to for some once a year cleaning, and you have an ideal dual use winter additive that costs next to nothing. And is time tested and proven.
-Spyder
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
Based on how much it thickened up in my freezer test, I find a pour point of -60 hard to believe.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that there is any noticeable change in viscosity at typical home freezer temps. I've gotta call [censored] on that claim. Sorry.
Best,
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
Based on how much it thickened up in my freezer test, I find a pour point of -60 hard to believe.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that there is any noticeable change in viscosity at typical home freezer temps. I've gotta call [censored] on that claim. Sorry.
Best,
It is now in the freezer over 12 hours, I just got back home and checked it again. Shakes just as it did all summer long. My wife thinks I'm nuts but I had to prove it to myself, even though I already knew based on keeping it in the garage and a bottle in my van all year long.
I wish I could get it to -50*F maybe then it would thicken up?
I wish I could get it to -50*F maybe then it would thicken up?
Originally Posted By: panthermike
Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
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Well, MMO has a pour point of -60F I believe. I can't imagine it thickening up. I would think demarpaint's experience would be more realistic as to what MMO does in the cold.
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It's about 19 hours in the freezer now, just as easy to shake, or pour as the other bottles sitting in my 60*F garage. Can I take it out of the freezer now? LOL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I must be missing something, as soon as I read your comments I tossed a qt of MMO in the freezer. It is in there about 11 hours now, same exact consistancy it has at room temperature. Maybe your freezer is a deeper freezer than mine. I never had a problem pouring MMO, and I have close to 30 qts in the garage year round. I've been using it since the 70's and always had it in the garage. The only thing thats changed is now it is in a plastic bottle vs the metal can.
Sorry dude, that's physically impossible.
I must be missing something, as soon as I read your comments I tossed a qt of MMO in the freezer. It is in there about 11 hours now, same exact consistancy it has at room temperature. Maybe your freezer is a deeper freezer than mine. I never had a problem pouring MMO, and I have close to 30 qts in the garage year round. I've been using it since the 70's and always had it in the garage. The only thing thats changed is now it is in a plastic bottle vs the metal can.
Sorry dude, that's physically impossible.
Put some in your freezer and let me know if it thickens up like the oil you currently use does. It is a straight 5 grade oil, no VI improvers, if it thickened up it wasn't enough for me to even notice. I did this same test with Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and Mobil 1 0W20 I had laying around, and could instantly feel the change shaking the stuff. Try it for yourself.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
How come u all did not believe the MSDS data anyway,,-60 degrees f is darn cold,,Mercy guys .....
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Put some in your freezer and let me know if it thickens up like the oil you currently use does. It is a straight 5 grade oil, no VI improvers, if it thickened up it wasn't enough for me to even notice. I did this same test with Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and Mobil 1 0W20 I had laying around, and could instantly feel the change shaking the stuff. Try it for yourself.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
I have. It does thicken up noticeably.
Put some in your freezer and let me know if it thickens up like the oil you currently use does. It is a straight 5 grade oil, no VI improvers, if it thickened up it wasn't enough for me to even notice. I did this same test with Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and Mobil 1 0W20 I had laying around, and could instantly feel the change shaking the stuff. Try it for yourself.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
I have. It does thicken up noticeably.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Put some in your freezer and let me know if it thickens up like the oil you currently use does. It is a straight 5 grade oil, no VI improvers, if it thickened up it wasn't enough for me to even notice. I did this same test with Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and Mobil 1 0W20 I had laying around, and could instantly feel the change shaking the stuff. Try it for yourself.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
I have. It does thicken up noticeably.
That must be SOME freezer you have there. Based on the data sheet and the laws of physics, I hope you won't take great offense at me taking that comment with a block of salt.
Best,
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Put some in your freezer and let me know if it thickens up like the oil you currently use does. It is a straight 5 grade oil, no VI improvers, if it thickened up it wasn't enough for me to even notice. I did this same test with Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and Mobil 1 0W20 I had laying around, and could instantly feel the change shaking the stuff. Try it for yourself.
It is possible the person who originally tossed the question out there was referring to A-Rx which certainly thickens up when cold, but that is commonly known around here. Since it is added to oil the mfg claims once mixed in that it doesn't matter anymore.
Remember I put it in a household freezer, not a Cyrogenic Deep freeze like they stuck Walt Dinsey and a few other celeberities in.
I have. It does thicken up noticeably.
That must be SOME freezer you have there. Based on the data sheet and the laws of physics, I hope you won't take great offense at me taking that comment with a block of salt.
Best,
You MMO people live in a whole different world
I still have the MMO bottle in the freezer, sorry to say I still don't see much if any difference. In fact I gave my wife the bottle from the freezer and a bottle from the garage to have a look. She said there might be a slight difference but is doubtful. The bottle sweating on the outside was the only major change when it hit room temps. The garage temp is now 60*F, perhaps a very slight difference, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe from a 5 grade to a 5.00125 grade for the freezer bottle. I'm going to leave it out now I will be needing room for the turkey.
Do you use MMO chevrofreak? You've done the freezer test?
Put some Mobil 1 0W30 in the freezer and let me know what happens.
You MMO haters live in a different world too, or have Super Cyrogenic Deep Freezers! LOL
Do you use MMO chevrofreak? You've done the freezer test?
Put some Mobil 1 0W30 in the freezer and let me know what happens.
You MMO haters live in a different world too, or have Super Cyrogenic Deep Freezers! LOL
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i love this place and HOWDY DOWDY, LETS PLAY NICE ,OK.
We are, aren't we? No harm no foul.
i love this place and HOWDY DOWDY, LETS PLAY NICE ,OK.
We are, aren't we? No harm no foul.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I still have the MMO bottle in the freezer, sorry to say I still don't see much if any difference. In fact I gave my wife the bottle from the freezer and a bottle from the garage to have a look. She said there might be a slight difference but is doubtful. The bottle sweating on the outside was the only major change when it hit room temps. The garage temp is now 60*F, perhaps a very slight difference, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe from a 5 grade to a 5.00125 grade for the freezer bottle. I'm going to leave it out now I will be needing room for the turkey.
Do you use MMO chevrofreak? You've done the freezer test?
Put some Mobil 1 0W30 in the freezer and let me know what happens.
You MMO haters live in a different world too, or have Super Cyrogenic Deep Freezers! LOL
I've done the freezer test. The MMO went from being translucent to being slightly opaque/milky looking. When the bottle was shaken (I used a well cleaned and dried vitamin water bottle) it stuck to the sides of the bottle far longer than it did at room temperature. Try using a bottle other than the MMO bottle and you will see the difference far better. Something that has some texture or bulbs to it, such as that Vitamin Water bottle. Fill it only half full. My freezer is right around -2F.
I still have the MMO bottle in the freezer, sorry to say I still don't see much if any difference. In fact I gave my wife the bottle from the freezer and a bottle from the garage to have a look. She said there might be a slight difference but is doubtful. The bottle sweating on the outside was the only major change when it hit room temps. The garage temp is now 60*F, perhaps a very slight difference, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe from a 5 grade to a 5.00125 grade for the freezer bottle. I'm going to leave it out now I will be needing room for the turkey.
Do you use MMO chevrofreak? You've done the freezer test?
Put some Mobil 1 0W30 in the freezer and let me know what happens.
You MMO haters live in a different world too, or have Super Cyrogenic Deep Freezers! LOL
I've done the freezer test. The MMO went from being translucent to being slightly opaque/milky looking. When the bottle was shaken (I used a well cleaned and dried vitamin water bottle) it stuck to the sides of the bottle far longer than it did at room temperature. Try using a bottle other than the MMO bottle and you will see the difference far better. Something that has some texture or bulbs to it, such as that Vitamin Water bottle. Fill it only half full. My freezer is right around -2F.
Oops, typo. Bumps, not bulbs.
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