0w0 oil for sale?

[MolaKule]

Sorry, I can't tell if you are agreeing with what I said or not.

As far as I can see the numbers to the left of the W are not linear nor have a solid value at "0". The numbers to the right seem to be a little more defined and linear but not with a solid definition. If they keep using whole numbers there is not much more room to invent new viscosity of oil without overlap or moving the scale.

I could also be talking out of my butt as my mind has way too much free time lately.

Well, I thought I had replied "that's right," but apparently I left a few characters off, but yes I was agreeing with you.

My main point was there is no current viscosity definition in J300 for an SAE 0W0 grade and theoretical 0W0 does not mean it would have a Kinematic viscosity of 0 cSt. A 0W0 makes no sense because this theroetical fluid would simply mean it would be a 0 grade (whatever that would mean); that is, no 0W prefix would be needed.

The current trend has been like 30 grade to 20 grade to 16 grade to 8 grade, but the 8 grade (5 cSt Kinematic Viscosity@100C) is mainly for Hybrid engines.

FOR EV's, we have been doing work on majority ester base oil fluids of about 2-3 cSt but that is still higher than water at 1 cSt and Benzene (and other liquid solvents) at about 0.6 cSt or lower. Would this fluid be a 0W4 fluid? We don't know because there is currently no J300 classification or testing procedures to define it.

In my view, a 0W0 is non sequitur and seems to indicate a lack of knowledge about how engine oils are classified, formulated, and tested.

 

[Foxtrot08]

Well, I thought I had replied "that's right," but apparently I left a few characters off, but yes I was agreeing with you.

My main point was there is no current viscosity definition in J300 for an SAE 0W0 grade and theoretical 0W0 does not mean it would have a Kinematic viscosity of 0 cSt. A 0W0 makes no sense because this theroetical fluid would simply mean it would be a 0 grade (whatever that would mean); that is, no 0W prefix would be needed.

The current trend has been like 30 grade to 20 grade to 16 grade to 8 grade, but the 8 grade (5 cSt Kinematic Viscosity@100C) is mainly for Hybrid engines.

FOR EV's, we have been doing work on majority ester base oil fluids of about 2-3 cSt but that is still higher than water at 1 cSt and Benzene (and other liquid solvents) at about 0.6 cSt or lower. Would this fluid be a 0W4 fluid? We don't know because there is currently no J300 classification or testing procedures to define it.

In my view, a 0W0 is non sequitur and seems to indicate a lack of knowledge about how engine oils are classified, formulated, and tested.

Let me translate the last part for the crowd:

Molekule just politely said that the folks who made that “oil” label are idiots.

 

[ZeeOSix]

A 0W0 makes no sense because this theroetical fluid would simply mean it would be a 0 grade (whatever that would mean); that is, no 0W prefix would be needed.

There would still have to be a xW grade involved if it was sold as a multi-weight.

In my view, a 0W0 is non sequitur and seems to indicate a lack of knowledge about how engine oils are classified, formulated, and tested.

If there actually was a 0W-0 grade defined by J300 someday, that grade would be the end of the line in the range of oil grades, in both the W grade and KV100/HTHS grade. A 0W-0 grade could theoretically be defined, but it never will be formally by J300 because it would literally blow people's minds that don't understand motor oil grades, lol.

 

[Foxtrot08]

There would still have to be a xW grade involved if it was sold as a multi-weight.


If there actually was a 0W-0 grade defined by J300 someday, that grade would be the end of the line in the range of oil grades, in both the W grade and KV100/HTHS grade. A 0W-0 grade could theoretically be defined, but it never will be formally by J300 because it would literally blow people's minds that don't understand motor oil grades, lol.

I don’t know if we will ever see a true 0w in terms of this discussion, a 0w0 motor oil.

There’s been a lot of playing around with oils that can change viscosity rapidly through use of electricity. Use of extremely high viscosity, but low friction coatings that would be permanent. Basically removing the idea of “oil” as we know it right now.

I think what and how we think of a lubricant will change, before we see a straight, mono grade, 0w come around.

A lot of this was covered earlier this year in the “frontiers of lubrication” conference that STLE put on this year. Carbon nano tubes in oil, magnetic oils, coatings.

I was by far the dumbest person there. So don’t ask me to translate it.

 

[OilUzer]

Not considering the practicality of a grade like 0W-x (where 0 <= x < 8), J300 table has kind of reached it's limits when it comes to KV100 Min Value ranges (Refer to Column 4 of J300 Table in post #27). No? This is a question, I'm just curious!

For example:
Grade 8 KV100 Min Value = 4.0
And
0W KV100 Min Value = 3.8

I know the two in the example above are like apples and oranges but column 4 has defined the Min Value for both parameters.
And
For consistency, there is not much room between 3.8 and 4.0 to define a new KV100 min for a new grade (e.g. 0W-4). No? This is a question also.

I assume you could define KV100 Min of the new viscosity grade (x < 8) to be 4.0 or 3.9 or 3.8? (only options available for consistency without a major J300 table overhaul) AND with a KV100 Max of less than 0W-8 (Refer to post #22 by Z).

Formulation and/or practicality is another story or question. Seems like you could even squeeze in (formulate) a 5W-x (x < 8) since 0W and 5W both have the same KV100 Min Value of 3.8 ... Again from the perspective of meeting J300 requirements and not necessarily formulation issues or practicality of such grade.

 

[RagnarokCamaro]

Not impressed. Let me know when those geniuses make a -5W-0 oil

 

[nascarnation]

Let me translate the last part for the crowd:

Molekule just politely said that the folks who made that “oil” label are idiots.

They may be idiots but I bet they're making a lot of money on this stuff.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. " HL Mencken

 

[Foxtrot08]

They may be idiots but I bet they're making a lot of money on this stuff.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. " HL Mencken

Define “a lot of money” first.

Because the lubricants industry is a very hard way to “make a lot of money.”

 

[nascarnation]

Define “a lot of money” first.

Because the lubricants industry is a very hard way to “make a lot of money.”

Apparently you've never seen the Lucas Oil "Estate" which they DON'T EVEN LIVE IN, just use for social entertaining.
https://behindthemask.events/lucas-estate/

 

[Foxtrot08]

Apparently you've never seen the Lucas Oil "Estate" which they DON'T EVEN LIVE IN, just use for social entertaining.
https://behindthemask.events/lucas-estate/

Considering I know the family….

A better example would have been the Haslam family. Arguably the best.

Alas, I doubt this little company is making alot of money. As it’s really hard to make money, in the lubricants business.