0w-30 in new Silverado

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Thanks for all the help! Looks like the GC 0w30 is not an option for me right now then.

My warranty is important to me....I don't want to hear any issues from GM regarding the oil I use if I should ever require warranty service. Powertrain warranty is 5yrs/100k...so I'll be running an oil that is approved by GM until then.

Looks like I'll try PP next and see how that goes. I'm not looking for extended OCI's....mostly trying to get longevity out of my truck. I have almost 6k on this M1 5-30 fill and my OLM is showing 50% oil life left. I will most likely change it around 7-8k. May even look into the M1 truck/suv oil as another option....again, too many choices!

Thanks
 
Originally Posted By: el_zorro
I switched to GC 0w30 in my 2000 GMC Sierra with a 4.8L V8 and have been very pleased with the results. My mileage went UP! signficantly. Before switching if I got 400 miles on a gas fill I was happy, I consistently get 450 miles on a fill. The truck has had mostly M1 5w30 and Valvoline SynPower 5w30 through it's life with a few dino and blends used and OCI has been 6000 or less through it's life. The vehicle just turned 265,000 miles with no oil consumption. So much for the Starburst, I think it is meaningless, I get better mileage with GC so I would strongly recommend using it. I am planning to go to 7,000 mile OCIs with GC since it is a longer life oil.



It may be meanigless to you with a 2000 model year truck w/ 265,000 miles that has no warranty left and it may be meaningless as far as guranteeing increased MPG as well. However, in regards to warranty requirements for his brand new 2009 it is not.
 
Originally Posted By: bretfraz
Originally Posted By: BR549
bretfraz,
What oil filter are you using??


Right now its an AC Delco PF47(?). I have one of those Fram ToughGuard 3506 filters to go in next.

Over the years I've used Purolator, Fram (the good ones), AC Delco, NAPA, and Wix filters.


There is no such thing as a good Fram.
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Ditch it and use the AC or the Wix/Napa.
 
Just finished dropping in a fresh 6 of GC and installed a Fram TG3506 filter. Reset the OLM at 3%. Guess I'm good to go for another 8000 miles or so.

Can't wait for the Fram to explode on me, turning my truck into a rolling fireball. At least I'm out of warranty so no chance of the GM Warranty Police helicoptering in to take me down and confiscate my GC stash.
 
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Can't wait for the Fram to explode on me, turning my truck into a rolling fireball.


Look on the bright side.
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You would then own a great percentage of Fram.
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Originally Posted By: bretfraz
Just finished dropping in a fresh 6 of GC and installed a Fram TG3506 filter. Reset the OLM at 3%. Guess I'm good to go for another 8000 miles or so.

Can't wait for the Fram to explode on me, turning my truck into a rolling fireball. At least I'm out of warranty so no chance of the GM Warranty Police helicoptering in to take me down and confiscate my GC stash.


Posts like these are so lame.
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It is well known and proven that Fram makes cheap filters that MIGHT fail. Run them at your own risk and remember IF they fail you were told so. No one ever says you absolutely WILL see a failure just that you are more likely to with a Fram vs a quality filter. And before you say it no I have not personally had a Fram fail( I have run them in the past before I knew any better ). However, I had sold Fram filters that failed that came back to the parts store( we referred them to Fram HQ ). There are posts on here about failed Fram's as well.

The possibility exists with Fram and to a greater extent than other brands built to a higher standard. That is the point. I don't care if you run a dixie cup w/ lawn clippings duct taped to your block for a filter.

As to your warranty comment. Absolutely childish. You have a 2004 vehicle that chances are is out of warranty so run whatever you wish. I never said GC was bad oil and not to use it for that reason. I simply pointed out that with a 2009 vehicle with a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty he has obligations he must meet to preserve that warranty. GC apparantly is only API SL and thus it does not meet his warranty requirements. He needs an API Starburst certified oil. I only pointed that out to him in case it was soemthing he cared about. Turns out it was.

WOW! get a grip man.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bretfraz
Just finished dropping in a fresh 6 of GC and installed a Fram TG3506 filter. Reset the OLM at 3%. Guess I'm good to go for another 8000 miles or so.

Can't wait for the Fram to explode on me, turning my truck into a rolling fireball. At least I'm out of warranty so no chance of the GM Warranty Police helicoptering in to take me down and confiscate my GC stash.


Posts like these are so lame.
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It is well known and proven that Fram makes cheap filters that MIGHT fail. Run them at your own risk and remember IF they fail you were told so. No one ever says you absolutely WILL see a failure just that you are more likely to with a Fram vs a quality filter. And before you say it no I have not personally had a Fram fail( I have run them in the past before I knew any better ). However, I had sold Fram filters that failed that came back to the parts store( we referred them to Fram HQ ). There are posts on here about failed Fram's as well.

The possibility exists with Fram and to a greater extent than other brands built to a higher standard. That is the point. I don't care if you run a dixie cup w/ lawn clippings duct taped to your block for a filter.

As to your warranty comment. Absolutely childish. You have a 2004 vehicle that chances are is out of warranty so run whatever you wish. I never said GC was bad oil and not to use it for that reason. I simply pointed out that with a 2009 vehicle with a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty he has obligations he must meet to preserve that warranty. GC apparantly is only API SL and thus it does not meet his warranty requirements. He needs an API Starburst certified oil. I only pointed that out to him in case it was soemthing he cared about. Turns out it was.

WOW! get a grip man.


Thanks for your equally lame response. A three paragraph missive of handwringing and e-bullying must have taken you some time to construct. Well done.

While I do not see the need to justify my oil filter purchase to you, perhaps you should do a little more research on the better-made Fram filters before dismissing them out of hand. The construction quality of the ToughGuard series (and better) is not much different than anything else in its price range. For 5 bucks, you get what you pay for, no matter whose name is printed on the box.

As for the rest of your diatribe, spare me. After 7 years of membership here I'm educated enough to know the good stuff from the junk. I don't care what "advice" you gave to the OP, but your first post to me was insulting and degrading. I don't need you to act like daddy, ordering me to "ditch the Fram" and buy whatever product you deem appropriate. You are in no position of authority or expertise on BITOG. There is a small handful of acknowledged experts here; everyone else is in the same boat.

In the end, its just motor oil and related products. Perhaps you need to take some of your own advice and be a little less overbearing with your commentary.
 
Originally Posted By: bretfraz


Thanks for your equally lame response. A three paragraph missive of handwringing and e-bullying must have taken you some time to construct. Well done.

While I do not see the need to justify my oil filter purchase to you, perhaps you should do a little more research on the better-made Fram filters before dismissing them out of hand. The construction quality of the ToughGuard series (and better) is not much different than anything else in its price range. For 5 bucks, you get what you pay for, no matter whose name is printed on the box.

As for the rest of your diatribe, spare me. After 7 years of membership here I'm educated enough to know the good stuff from the junk. I don't care what "advice" you gave to the OP, but your first post to me was insulting and degrading. I don't need you to act like daddy, ordering me to "ditch the Fram" and buy whatever product you deem appropriate. You are in no position of authority or expertise on BITOG. There is a small handful of acknowledged experts here; everyone else is in the same boat.

In the end, its just motor oil and related products. Perhaps you need to take some of your own advice and be a little less overbearing with your commentary.


Wow!
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My post to you about Fram was made in good natured jest/humor. While what I said is true(IMO)there was nothing meant offensive in it. Relax a little man. If you feel the 1st post to you was insulting and degrading then I have no clue what either of those terms mean and you are in for a hard time on this site if THAT upset you so badly. I made two simple statements and added a whacko smiley face( to indicate it was humor - isn't that what they are for??? ).

That is insulting and degrading? I wasn't trying to tell you what to buy as your "Daddy". I made no opprobrious( how is that for a big word - you seem to like them
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)comments about you in the least. I simply suggested you ditch using the Fram and use the other brands you mentioned you had before because they are a better filter( IMO - I forgot to add the Purolator which was the other brand you mentioned ). Was that out of line? I don't think so but if you do ok then I apologize. Your response to that and this one is most definitely over the top however. And come on now man, Cyber Bullying? Are you serious!
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Diatribe? Diatribe? I spent all those hours composing such an articulate and well thought out response to your 1st comments to me and you dare to label it a diatribe? I am insulted. Harumph!
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Also, you still apparently can not grasp the concept that I was not saying anything bad about GC. I "think" so anyway based on your good from the junk comment. Just pointing out it did not meet warranty requirements for the OP's new truck. Not sure where that is all coming from? Never said one bad thing about GC in the least.
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You are right it is just oil and no need to freak out as you have. Your Vitriolic Rhetoric( see I can use lots of big words as well )is disproportionate( see there is another one
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So are we done fencing with each other and fighting over something so stupid or do you want to keep at it?
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Relax man. Try and enjoy your time here. Don't go looking for insults and invitations to fights that are not there. There was nothing insulting nor degrading in my comments to you about Fram. I am sorry you took it as such( seriously )but no such intent was there behind those words and let me state yet AGAIN I made no pejorative( I am on a roll
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)comments about GC. Total misinterpretation by you.

Let's just say we both overreacted and acted badly and move on.
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NOTE - before you pop a cork. This is 99.9% posted in good humor to try and lighten the mood. I hope you can take it as such. I really feel you have overreacted to my initial post which led to my less than cordial response before this one.
 
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I always like to read another multi-paragraph post on how I'm now the bad guy. Well, I ain't gonna read all that babble.

I'll leave it at this: In the future, stay on topic and stop telling people what they should or should not use unless they ask you directly, OK? I didn't ask you for your opinion of my filter choice, and your curt response came across as arrogant.
 
Originally Posted By: Roadtrash
Thanks for the help. PP is another oil I have been considering. I am getting a bit of consumption with the M1...not alot, but some.

My main goal is to keep this truck for a long time. I kept my last GMC 4.3 for 10 years and over 100k. I'd like to keep this truck just as long if not more...and who knows how many miles I'll rack up by then?


NHHEMI....nice truck! So far...mine has been great!

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I wonder if thats because the motor was not broken in properly on the dino oil first??
 
I've got PP 5w30 in my 4-Runner right now and absolutely love the stuff, but I have two jugs of M1 0w30 on the garage shelf as a result of the $10 rebate. I do 6 month OCI's, so I have a year's worth.
 
Originally Posted By: bretfraz
I always like to read another multi-paragraph post on how I'm now the bad guy. Well, I ain't gonna read all that babble.

I'll leave it at this: In the future, stay on topic and stop telling people what they should or should not use unless they ask you directly, OK? I didn't ask you for your opinion of my filter choice, and your curt response came across as arrogant.


Grow up and lighten up.
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bretfraz
I always like to read another multi-paragraph post on how I'm now the bad guy. Well, I ain't gonna read all that babble.

I'll leave it at this: In the future, stay on topic and stop telling people what they should or should not use unless they ask you directly, OK? I didn't ask you for your opinion of my filter choice, and your curt response came across as arrogant.


Grow up and lighten up.
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Take some of your own advice!

Last word FTW.
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
I wonder if thats because the motor was not broken in properly on the dino oil first??


I have used up a tiny amount of the M1 in over 5k miles....probably something like 1/4 qt. Like I said...not alot. Some guys on the GM truck forum complain about using 1 qt in 3k...so I aint complaining. And GM tells them that it's normal to use oil like that. Some guys change brands and then have no consumption.

I did alot of reading before deciding to switch to syn at the 1000 mile mark....and I believe that I'll be fine.
 
1 quart in 3000 miles? That's unbelievable! I don't think I've used one quart total in over 80,000 miles. The other Vortec's I'm familiar with do not use oil, either.

Anyway, a few ounces here and there are not a big worry. The break-in process for these engines seems to take forever, what with the engine throwing off copper until past 20K miles. Maybe a change in oil brands will square away the minor consumption issue. Let us know how things go.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: el_zorro
I switched to GC 0w30 in my 2000 GMC Sierra with a 4.8L V8 and have been very pleased with the results. My mileage went UP! signficantly. Before switching if I got 400 miles on a gas fill I was happy, I consistently get 450 miles on a fill. The truck has had mostly M1 5w30 and Valvoline SynPower 5w30 through it's life with a few dino and blends used and OCI has been 6000 or less through it's life. The vehicle just turned 265,000 miles with no oil consumption. So much for the Starburst, I think it is meaningless, I get better mileage with GC so I would strongly recommend using it. I am planning to go to 7,000 mile OCIs with GC since it is a longer life oil.



It may be meanigless to you with a 2000 model year truck w/ 265,000 miles that has no warranty left and it may be meaningless as far as guranteeing increased MPG as well. However, in regards to warranty requirements for his brand new 2009 it is not.


NHHEMI

I thought the GM spec was either GM6094M or GM4718M. I am looking through the manuals of my newer GM vehicles and I don't see starburst mentioned in there anymore. Why do you think starburst has anything to do with the GM Warranty anymore ?
 
The manual for my '09 specs a API starburst oil as well as meeting GM6094m.

This is from the .pdf version of my owners manual:

Notice: Use only engine oil identified as meeting
GM Standard GM6094M and showing the American
Petroleum Institute Certified For Gasoline Engines
starburst symbol. Failure to use the recommended
oil can result in engine damage not covered by
the vehicle warranty.
 
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Originally Posted By: el_zorro


NHHEMI

I thought the GM spec was either GM6094M or GM4718M. I am looking through the manuals of my newer GM vehicles and I don't see starburst mentioned in there anymore. Why do you think starburst has anything to do with the GM Warranty anymore ?


Because it does.
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GM6094M and GM4718M are GM's own oil spec's agreed but they still require API certified oils that are starburst certified as well. There may be one or 2 exceptions but the overwhelming vast majority of new GM vehicles( any mfg really )call for API certified oils and as a rule call for the Starburst.

As the OP mentions above the manual states use 5w30, GM6094M, and API Starburst.

http://www.chevrolet.com/assets/pdf/owners/manuals/2009/2009_chevrolet_silverado_owners.pdf

PDF page 427/Owner's Manual page 5-17
 
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