08 Sienna maintenance regimen

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I have about 10,000 on my 08 Toyota Sienna. With the introduction of Amsoil ATL, I was considering doing a drain and fill every 15,000 miles for peace of mind. Am I'm over-maintaining with the schedule? The drain and fill on this vehicle is a piece of cake and only requires 4 qts of fluid.
 
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Not excessive. 15k or once a year, or some easy to keep/remember intervals is smart to start. A drain/refill only removes a percentage of the ATF, along with any accumulated wear. You remove wear, refresh the additive pack, bump the visc.... with each drain/refill. This will eliminate the need to ever flush the ATF. An easy to install Magnefine is a smart upgrade. If you are more mechanically inclined, a Permacool(or equivalent) can be plumbed too.
 
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Why not 10K or 5? I would think 1/2 of Amsoils recommendation (25K) might be reasonable. I will defer to your experience however. I think I changed ATF in my 700R4 once in 218K miles...
 
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Cost vs benefit is for you to decide. On a couple of ZF's that I serviced way back when, every 5k was a must if you wanted the tranny to last more then 30k, using cheap mineral ATF. Who would have thought that a transmission without ANY ATF cooler(not even a radiator loop) wouldn't last too long? ZF? the genius automaker? The transmission fluid calculator(somewhere here if you search) is a good reason in itself. Take tranny capacity, drain/refill amount, and calculates intervals required to reach a certain percentile. If you have a 2-quart drain/refill amount in a 14 quart system, then every 5k is a good idea. If you can drain/refill 10 quarts in a 14qt system, then every 20k-30k might be acceptable. Then you need to consider driving style, fluid type, transmission family, and mods or upgrades(filters/cooling).....and adapt as needed. One of the 1st transmissions that I blew up was a 700r4 in an Camaro. Put the pedal to the floor and destroyed it quickly. Had only about 3k miles on it and wasn't even trying to kill this early to blow on demand transmission. Would've been reliable if engineers smoked less during college or inhaled less self made vapor. One of my quickest failures is in a brand new rental Hyundai Accent. That tranny blew(boiled the ATF) before the 1st tank of fuel was empty. A real ATF cooler, along with a fluid that could tolerate stop/go driving on a hot summer day in 8hrs of real bad city traffic, would've saved it.
 
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We've had a Toyota A43DE die from neglect. As of now, we have 200K+ on a A341E and a Nissan/Jatco RE4F04A on just only 10K drain and fills. I'll be draining a Prius at 10K and leaving the ATF-WS in for 30K. That means I'll won't be need to touch it again until 40K.
 
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I wouldn't bother servicing the transmission that frequently unless it has a history of premature failures, which this model does not.
 
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Critic, history takes time. Every transmission is great until 5 years later when the history comes through. Its a heavy vehicle with a lot of power. Reminds me of that really reliable powertrain combo that found its way it the mildly too heavy RX300 AWD. Without some upgrades, shorter maintenance intervals should be considered. The factory tow package is great if you don't tow. Its mediocre if do! There is no point in waiting for failures prior to considering common sense maintenance. Don't change your oil until someone with that engine develops sludge. Don't change your ATF until failures occur. Don't change your PSF until you need a new pump/rack. Don't change your antifreeze until she overheats. Don't bleed your brakes until you crash into the car in front of you. Don't align your wheels until your tires wear out. Don't shower until you smell really bad and look dirty. BTW, that jewel of a 3.5 V6, if ticking, will get some new cams under warranty. Manufacturing tolerances were just a little off! And, I did appreciate my 100k extended sludge warranty from Toyota on my 2.2 and 3.0's, but I was required/recommended to drop from the 7.5k owners manual mineral oil OCI to full synth every 5k! TSB-0094-09 March 19, 2009 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Service Category Engine/Hybrid System Section Engine Mechanical Market USA Applicability YEAR(S) MODEL(S) ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 2005 – 2009 Avalon 2007 – 2009 Camry VDS(s): BK46K 2008 – 2009 Highlander 2006 – 2009 RAV4 Engine(s): 2GR VDS(s): BK31V, BK32V, BK33V, BK34V, BK35V, ZK31V, ZK32V, ZK33V, ZK34V, ZK35V 2007 – 2009 Sienna Introduction Some 2005 – 2009 model year vehicles with 2GR-FE engines may exhibit a ticking/clicking type noise from the cylinder head cover area which may be accompanied by a MIL “ON” and one or more VVT-i related Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs). Please use the following repair procedure to address customer concerns. 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Warranty Information MODEL OP CODE DESCRIPTION DRIVETRAIN TIME OFP T1 T2 Avalon 2WD 16 Camry 2WD 14.3 Highlander 2WD 16.6 AWD 17.1 RAV4 2WD 15.4 AWD 16 Sienna 2WD 14.1 EG8053 R & R Exhaust VVT-I Gear, Camshaft, Camshaft Housing AWD 14.3 – Combo A Add R & R Intake VVT-I Gear – .2 – Combo B Add R & R Exhaust VVT-I Gear, Camshaft & Camshaft Housing (Opposite Bank) – 1.2 – Combo C Add R & R Exhaust & Intake VVT-I Gear, Camshaft, & Camshaft Housing (Opposite Bank) – 1.4 13080-31030 13080-0P020 91 99 APPLICABLE WARRANTY • This repair is covered under the Toyota Powertrain Warranty. This warranty is in effect for 60 months or 60,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the vehicle’s in-service date. • Warranty application is limited to correction of a problem based upon a customer’s specific complaint. Parts Information QUANTITY PREVIOUS PART NUMBER CURRENT PART NUMBER PART NAME BANK 1 REPAIR ONLY BANK 2 REPAIR ONLY BOTH BANKS REPAIR 11103-3102# 11103-0P01# 11103-0P014 Housing Sub-assembly, Camshaft, RH 1 0 1 13502-31040 13502-0P020 13502-0P021 Camshaft Sub-assembly No.2 1 0 1 11104-3102# 11104-0P010 11104-0P011 Housing Sub-assembly, Camshaft, LH 0 1 1 13054-31030 13054-0P020 13054-0P021 Camshaft Sub-assembly No.4 0 1 1 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Parts Information (Continued) QUANTITY PREVIOUS PART NUMBER CURRENT PART NUMBER PART NAME BANK 1 REPAIR ONLY BANK 2 REPAIR ONLY BOTH BANKS REPAIR 13080-31030 13080-0P020 13080-0P040 Gear Assembly, Camshaft Timing, Exhaust, LH 1 1 2 13050-0P### 13050-31### 13050-0P070 Gear Assembly, Camshaft Timing 1* 1* 2* 17176-0P020 Same Gasket, Air Surge Tank to Intake Manifold 3 3 3 17177-0P020 Same Gasket, Intake Manifold to Head, No.1 1 1 1 17178-0P020 Same Gasket, Intake Manifold to Head, No.2 1 1 1 11159-0P010 Same Gasket, Camshaft Bearing Cap Oil Hole 4 4 4 90430-A0001 Same O-ring (standard part) 2 2 2 90430-12031 Same Gasket, Oil Pan Drain Plug 1 1 1 15147-0P020 Same Gasket, Oil Strainer 1 1 1 12151-0P010 Same Gasket, Oil Pan 2 2 2 96721-19010 Same O-ring, for Oil Level Gauge Guide, No. 2 1 1 1 90301-12018 Same O-ring, for Oil Level Gauge Guide 1 1 1 15193-0P010 Same Gasket Oil Pump 1 1 1 11213-0P010 Same Gasket, Cylinder Head Cover 1 1 1 11214-0P040 Same Gasket, Cylinder Head Cover No. 2 1 1 1 90430-16016 Same Gasket, Oil Pipe No. 2 2 2 2 90430-16012 90430-16017 Gasket, Oil Pipe No. 1 4 4 4 90311-A0005 Same Seal, Oil, for Timing Gear Case 1 1 1 11328-0P010 Same Gasket, Timing Gear Cover 1 1 1 96761-24021 Same O-ring (standard part), Coolant Pipe 1 1 1 90301-79006 Same O-ring (for Oil Filter Cap) 1 1 1 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Parts Information (Continued) QUANTITY PREVIOUS PART NUMBER CURRENT PART NUMBER PART NAME BANK 1 REPAIR ONLY BANK 2 REPAIR ONLY BOTH BANKS REPAIR 96723-35028 Same O-ring (for Oil Filter Cap Drain Plug) 1 1 1 16325-31010 Same Gasket, Water Inlet Housing No. 2 1 1 1 90080-43036 Same Gasket, Exhaust Pipe 1 1 1 04152-31090 04152-YZZA1 Element Kit, Oil Filter 1 1 1 16271-0P010 Same Gasket, Water Pump 1 1 1 * Part may not be needed based on inspection. Required Tools & Equipment REQUIRED MATERIAL PART NUMBER QTY Three Bond 1324 or Equivalent – As Needed FIPG Sealant or Equivalent 08826-00080 As Needed Toyota Genuine Seal Packing Black, Three Bond 1207B, or Equivalent – As Needed Toyota Genuine Seal Packing Black, Three Bond 1282B, or Equivalent – As Needed Toyota Genuine Adhesive 1344, Three Bond 1344, or Equivalent – As Needed ILSAC GF-4 Multi-grade SAE 5W-30 00279-1QT5W-01 6.0 U.S. qts. (5.7 liters) Super Long Life Coolant (SLLC) 00272-SLLC2 9.5 U.S. qts. (9.0 liters) Oil Filter Wrench* 09228-06500-02 1 Companion Flange Holding Tool* NOTE: All Components from this kit/set are required. 09330-00021 1 Universal Puller Set “C” NOTE: All Components from this kit/set are required. 09950-50013-01 1 Gasket Seal Cutter* 09032-00100 1 * Essential SST. NOTE Additional SSTs may be ordered by calling 1-800-933-8335. 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Required Tools & Equipment (Continued) REQUIRED EQUIPMENT SUPPLIER PART NUMBER QTY R134-a Refrigerant Recovery/Recycling Machine ADE Robinair ROB34200* (or equivalent) 1 NOTE Additional refrigerant service equipment may be ordered by calling Toyota Approved Dealer Equipment (ADE) at 1-800-368-6787. Inspection Procedure 1. Start the engine and listen for any ticking/clicking type noises coming from the VVT-i gear area of the engine. NOTE This condition may or may not be accompanied by one or more of the following DTCs stored in the Engine Control Module (ECM) (SAE term: Powertrain Control Module/PCM). A. P0014: Camshaft Position “B” – Timing Advanced or System Performance (Bank 1) B. P0015: Camshaft Position “B” Timing Over Retarded (Bank 1) C. P0017: Crankshaft Position Camshaft Position Correlation (Bank 1 Sensor B) D. P0018: Crankshaft Position Camshaft Position Correlation (Bank 2 Sensor A) E. P0024: Camshaft Position “B” – Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 2) F. P0025: Camshaft Position “B” – Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 2) 2. Remove the cylinder head cover and inspect the Exhaust VVT-i Gear Assembly on the affected cylinder bank. NOTE If no concerns are found with the VVT-i gear actuator bolts, the actuator center section alignment or actuator body this TSB does NOT apply. Refer to Repair Manual procedures for further diagnosis. Repair Procedure 1. If any concerns are noted with the exhaust VVT-i gear bolts or actuator follow the four steps below: A. Replace the camshaft housing sub-assembly, exhaust camshaft, and exhaust VVT-i gear assembly on the affected bank. 2GR-FE Engine Ticking Noise and / or MIL ON P0014, P0015, P0024, P0025, P0017, or P0018 Repair Procedure (Continued) B. Inspect the intake VVT-i gear assembly and bolts on the affected bank. Replace the intake VVT-i gear assembly if necessary. C. Inspect the opposite bank exhaust VVT-i gear actuator and bolts. If any concerns are noted replace the opposite bank camshaft housing sub-assembly, exhaust camshaft, and exhaust VVT-i gear assembly. D. Inspect the opposite bank intake gear actuator assembly and bolts. Replace the intake VVT-i gear assembly if necessary. For complete disassembly procedures refer to the Technical Information System (TIS), applicable model and model year Repair Manual: • 2005 model year Avalon Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System,“Engine Mechanical: Camshaft (LH Bank) 2GR-FE : Replacement” • 2005 model year Avalon Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System,“Engine Mechanical: Camshaft Camshaft (RH Bank) 2GR-FE : Replacement” • 2007/2008/2009 model year Avalon Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System,“2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Disassembly” • 2007/2008/2009 model year Camry Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Disassembly” • 2008/2009 model year Highlander Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Disassembly” • 2006/2007/2008/2009 model year RAV4 Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Disassembly” • 2007/2008/2009 model year Sienna Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Disassembly” For complete reassembly procedures refer to the TIS, if applicable etc. • 2007/2008/2009 model year Avalon Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Reassembly” • 2007/2008/2009 model year Camry Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Reassembly” • 2008/2009 model year Highlander Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Reassembly” • 2006/2007/2008/2009 model year RAV4 Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Reassembly” • 2007/2008/2009 model year Sienna Repair Manual, Engine/Hybrid System, “2GR-FE Engine Mechanical: Engine Unit: Reassembly” 2. Start engine and test drive to verify the repair.
 
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Brett Miller

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I think what I will do is a drain and fill every 15,000. We often travel to the beach and this vehicle is fully loaded and we do get into a lot of stop and go traffic. Thanks for everyone's input.
 
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Cant go wrong with that plan brett. I have been using RL D6 in my tacoma for several months now (10K so far) and I love it. If you go with the ATL let us know how it performs. Looks like another great alternative to WS.
 
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I could see doing the first pan drop at 15K as a good idea to get rid of the break in junk that clings to the pan, but after that, I would do a 60K OCI in the transmission.
 
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I have been doing 15K drain/fill on my Highlander AWD since we bought it new in 2006 with T-IV (until warranty). The last drain/fill of the T-IV ATF looked like engine oil (though I know color is no indication of wear PPMs but for the naked eye one would expect dark red for the drained ATF), so that must explain how much charm T-IV is doing inside the tranny. I would do drain/fill every 15K miles if it were T-IV and drain/fills every 30K if it were some high end syn like Amsoil. Money spent on drain/fills is peanuts compared to >30K investment.
 
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