05 Honda Civic LX / Part 2

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In a recent post on my neices' Honda Civic, I asked about the O2 sensor. In this post, Im going to ask about her front brakes as she asked if I could replace rotors and pad also. Of course I will so that the car can pass state inspection this month. I haven't worked on a Honda in 5-6 years and I don't know what changes they have made.

1) Is there any special tools that I'll need to remove the caliper bolts/sliders? If so, see #2
2) Torx/Hex or are the bolts just the usual mm size?
3) Can I push in the caliper piston with the usual C-Clamp or will I need a special turn-in tool? I have a square metal tool that is used for this and cover many applications, not sure about Hondas.
4) Are Honda front rotors still held on by 2 little Philips Head Screws?
5) When checking the drum brakes/shoes, is there any thing special I need to know about drum removel w/ABS?

Thank once again,

CharBaby
 
Also, her dealer told her that the car needs an HVAC filter. Is this just the cabin air filter or is there something special Im not familier with?
 
1. no
2. it has normal bolts
3. yes, you can use a C-clamp , remove brake fluid cover
4. yes, the Civic has 2 screws on the rotor (they might be rusted)
5. nothing special

I have the Haynes shop manual for this car as my parents have a 2001 and 2005 Civic. I can scan the pages if you need them.
The HVAC filters are in the glove box and you just have to remove each L shaped 'stop' on each side and the entire glove box can be lowered (swing down) to gain easy access to both cabin filters.
 
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Many thanks LT4...No need for the Haynes Manual. Just want to prepair myself for another of my many brake jobs for the family.
Yes, I will make sure that the resivior cover is open. Actually I like to open the bleeder screws also when pushing the piston back in. I keep the vavuum pump connected and let the fluid go into the cup and then continue bleeding from there, after the brakes are installed(the last step) and it also reduces the chance of pushing back old contaminated fluid.

Any info on the HVAC filter? Or the drum brakes?

Thank you for your quick responce,

CB
 
any brand HVAC filter will do just fine. I vacuum them once a year and replace them every 3 years.

I've haven't done the drum brakes on their 2001 and 2005 Civic as both cars have very low miles 41K and 18K miles.
The drum brakes on a Civic are easy to work on, but I will look at the manual since you said her car has ABS, I will check later today when I get home.
 
On our 03, I used a manual impact driver (about a 10 dollar tool) on the screws holding the rotors on. Otherwise nothing special, nothing TORX and nothing my 1/2" metric impact socket set didn't have.

The front pistons push in, don't turn. C clamp is fine.

You won't need to touch the rear drums if this is the first set of front pads.

I turned the factory rotors and used Akebono pads, and it was better than factory. The OEM pads dust a lot.
 
There's ABS-equipped cars with rear drums. I believe Honda did offer ABS on the LX and EX models, not the DX though.

The OEM Honda filter is horribly overpriced at the dealer, get a Bosch one from Kragen/O'Reilly's. They are the same thing, both are MicronAir filters.
 
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Drum brakes with ABS?
Please do tell....


I can't tell you! All I know is that it has ABS(she says). It's an LX if that means anything. Or are you asking because it's a Civic? Not all Civics had ABS, that I know! I know that older Chevy Cavilars and Pontiac Sunfires had ABS w/drum brakes. Her Honda may not, and I maybe wrong. Still, I want to be prepaired.


Originally Posted By: bepperb
On our 03, I used a manual impact driver (about a 10 dollar tool) on the screws holding the rotors on. Otherwise nothing special, nothing TORX and nothing my 1/2" metric impact socket set didn't have.

The front pistons push in, don't turn. C clamp is fine.

You won't need to touch the rear drums if this is the first set of front pads.

I turned the factory rotors and used Akebono pads, and it was better than factory. The OEM pads dust a lot.


I have an impact driver, it's a great tool. This is the first front pad/rotor replacement. Dealer said the rotors are 90% used up and are not worth turning. She just bought from Rock Auto, new Bosch 02 sensor, both front rotors(Raybestos ProGrade) and Raybestos ceramic pads...Shipped w/Discount Code...$142. Her dealer wanted $1000.00 to do everything we're doing.

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
any brand HVAC filter will do just fine. I vacuum them once a year and replace them every 3 years.

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that the "term" HVAC filter was the same as "in cabin air filter". I've replaced several over the years. Some are a real bear to get at.

I've haven't done the drum brakes on their 2001 and 2005 Civic as both cars have very low miles 41K and 18K miles.
The drum brakes on a Civic are easy to work on, but I will look at the manual since you said her car has ABS, I will check later today when I get home.


There is 45,000 miles on the car. I thought there was more as I mentioned in another statement...OOPS!



Thanks to all

CB
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Drum brakes with ABS?
Please do tell....


Yup. As char baby said, my 97 cavalier has rear drums and ABS. Our old, old 98 windstar had rear drums and ABS too. Why is it surprising that there is ABS with drum brakes?
 
My brother's old 1990 pick up truck had rear drum brakes with ABS.

I looked in the Haynes manual and it doesn't mention any special steps for the Civic with rear drum ABS.
 
Unless mechtech 2 was speeking strictly about that year Civic, it's not unusual that I'm aware of, to have ABS with a front disk/rear drum setup
 
Is this mainly a stop-n-go, around town car? 45k miles seems a little low to need pads, and awfully low to need new rotors. Or is that how Civics/Hondas are? (If so, I may be looking at new brakes soon too.)
 
Originally Posted By: rationull
Is this mainly a stop-n-go, around town car? 45k miles seems a little low to need pads, and awfully low to need new rotors. Or is that how Civics/Hondas are? (If so, I may be looking at new brakes soon too.)


Well, you have to understand this type of driving. My neice lives near everything, as do we...Work, shopping, family/friends. You don't need to go very far in our particular area to get somewhere. Many of us drive like this. Another thing that people don't understand is the amount of road salt our area uses in the winter. It rots everything! So, when you have stop-n-go driving and road salt, the life of things are shortened considerably, brakes and exhaust systems are replaced often. Yes, even stainless steel will rot here, just takes a little longer. Galvanized or aluminized doesn't stand a chance here!
 
Another thing. Even if rotors warp, they are so gouged/pitted from the road salt that they can't be lathed/turned. No one will do it! I'll have to take a picture sometime and post it here so that others can see what rotors look like after about 3-5 years of stop-n-go driving and road salt. They look like a photo shot of IRAQ after Desert Storm.
 
Originally Posted By: nthach
There's ABS-equipped cars with rear drums. I believe Honda did offer ABS on the LX and EX models, not the DX though.

The OEM Honda filter is horribly overpriced at the dealer, get a Bosch one from Kragen/O'Reilly's. They are the same thing, both are MicronAir filters.


Yup my 1996 Cavalier Z24 has rear drums and ABS.
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Another thing. Even if rotors warp, they are so gouged/pitted from the road salt that they can't be lathed/turned. No one will do it! I'll have to take a picture sometime and post it here so that others can see what rotors look like after about 3-5 years of stop-n-go driving and road salt. They look like a photo shot of IRAQ after Desert Storm.


Since the car has rear drum brakes, remember to adjust the rear drum brakes to ensure balanced braking.
 
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