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Originally Posted By: HerrStig THe pressure to supply smaller filters comes from car makers fighting for packaging space under the hood. An engineer friend who worked for a filter company told me they would get, on a regular basis, "factory" requests to meet a minimum filter performance spec in...

Looks like the new episode will be available this next week online. The thread title should be, Pat Goss links torn media to engine failure. Let the doubters speculate on the why it does not matter. Purolator should pay attention now. If they are serious about addressing their issue they would...

Originally Posted By: Garak I realize that. As I mentioned, I'm not suspecting this is going to cut engine life immensely. My point is that I expect the filter to remain intact. If I don't want full flow filtering, I'll buy an antique. Do you think Goss made up the engine failure story or the...

Originally Posted By: mr_diy Originally Posted By: artificialist Originally Posted By: mr_diy Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech But they have no metal end-caps....laughing at Fram haters. Some would squash but still work fine. So, the bypass and ADBV are now non issues, built into the...

Originally Posted By: artificialist Originally Posted By: mr_diy Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech But they have no metal end-caps....laughing at Fram haters. Some would squash but still work fine. So, the bypass and ADBV are now non issues, built into the mount, cap, pump, block... or...

The link shows what looks like a Purolator with a tear between pleats and when you zoom in looks like a perforated metal center tube. http://www.motorweek.org/features/goss_garage/oil_filters/

Picture of failed filter looks like the Purolator bypass, humm?

Originally Posted By: Greasymechtech But they have no metal end-caps....laughing at Fram haters. Some would squash but still work fine. So, the bypass and ADBV are now non issues, built into the mount, cap, pump, block... or elsewhere. I much prefer cartridges over canisters and wish Honda...

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix Originally Posted By: Apollo14 I think the V space has always been there so if the filter tears, it is because of any of these alone or in combination: 1) Brittle media 2) Potting / glue that is too firm and which means that oil pressure against the pleat causes a...

Originally Posted By: ElastoHydro Originally Posted By: dnewton3 I'm not saying the filter didn't fail as the OP described; I just find it hard to understand how such a WIDE, VAST difference in experiences can happen. Is it possible that counterfiet Classics are getting into the mainstream...

My last 3 have 51 pleats. I wonder if it is easy to pull the metal end-caps off, any advice how to attempt this?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix Originally Posted By: mr_diy Maybe partly responsible for my pre-filled P1's (Honda) holding up while my non fill-able P1's (Toyota) have shown media failures. What are the two PureOne filter numbers involved. Not all Purolators filters are susceptible to tearing...

Whenever possible. Whatever helps prime the oil system, same reason most filters have an anti-drain value. The pre-soaking cellulose based media and media equalization is also a benefit to minimize the initial force against media. Maybe partly responsible for my pre-filled P1's (Honda) holding...

Originally Posted By: Nightmare yea, making me nervous.. I have a Bosch 3422 for my next oil change.. it is the same as a 20195, maybe i need to throw it in the garbage Originally Posted By: 901Memphis Does the 20195 have any tears? If so it's the first one I've seen. If you cannot return or...

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis Does the 20195 have any tears? If so it's the first one I've seen. No tears just one pleat appears to be starting to degrade at the end cap glue. Not bad considering the miles run. The previously used 10241's (5) have wide spaced pleats coming apart at the...

Checking the date codes, all are A = 2009 or B= 2010; 10241 B, oil 5W30 M1 EL 20195 B, oil 5W30 PU (lots of grit in filter) 14610 (2) B (1) A, ~8000 OCIs, oil 5W20 PU, QSUD, QSUD

PL10241 prior filter with ~9000 miles, many wide spaced pleats. PL20195 last one off Sienna and ~8500 miles. Both have pleats that were loose at the end caps where the media appears to have been pulled lose or shrank away from adhesive. 10241 being much worst. filter pictures PL10241, PL20195...

Impressive uniform media spacing. The pleats all appear to have consistent clean side media spacing in the folds, almost like a wire backed media. The rounded folds mean maximum media surface area available for flow. Most non-wire backed filters seem to have many pinched pleats.

I see no reason to run the cheapest filters. The pleats look poor to me. The PL14610's for my Civic run 40% longer look much better. OP, Maybe you could cut pleats to show spread at the glue.

Originally Posted By: Mfrank84 Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix Originally Posted By: Mfrank84 You'd actually have to grab the two pleats just to the right of the seam to notice they were loose. Well, if they are loose and move around, then there's no seal there. It's possible the glue didn't...