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#4628427 - 01/08/18 05:07 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Robenstein Offline


Registered: 12/23/09
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Loc: Central IA
I said it in other threads. I too have seen it gum up my guns. I used it on my old mil surps that don't get shot much and the stuff turned to a tacky varnish like substance over a two year period.


It is a lubricant designed and put into place almost 10 years before WW1. Back then...it stood out as great compared to its competitors. Heck Vaseline was used as a gun lube and protectant back then too. However, now its merely mediocre in performance. I feel the same about old orange bottle Hoppes as a gun oil. But Ballistol is overpriced for what it is and what it does. If you don't mind spending the cash on it, go for it. I just think there are better products for the money out there that have the benefit of being developed in the more modern era of science and technology.


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#4628753 - 01/08/18 09:30 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: billt460]
john_pifer Offline


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 1797
Loc: Nashville, TN via Memphis
Originally Posted By: billt460
The other issue with Ballistol is much like Frog Lube. The problems seem to start with long term storage, rather than regular use. Guys like Hickok are all but constantly shooting and cleaning their weapons. He shoots guns every day. Many times several at once. So whatever he uses is not going to have time to go bad. It will be cleaned off and reapplied before anything negative can happen. Where as for someone who stores their weapons for months at a time, it can cause that weapon to become gummed up.

Some time back I posted where I ran into a guy who had lubed his AR-15 with Frog Lube and stored it in his safe for a good 6 months. When he brought it to the range to shoot it with his son, it was a gummed up mess that wouldn't run. I'm willing to bet he would have had a similar experience with Ballistol, as both products are biodegradable.


You make a good point. I've used Ballistol, mainly on the recommendation of Hickok 45. But I haven't lubed a gun and let it sit for a long time, so I couldn't say for sure that it wont' gum up.
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#4628889 - 01/09/18 05:09 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: Robenstein]
billt460 Offline


Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4049
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
....... I just think there are better products for the money out there that have the benefit of being developed in the more modern era of science and technology.


Good point, and I agree. Time alone has caused it to lose effectiveness. 104 years is a long time regarding the science of lubrication. The settlers and frontiersmen used to "grease" their wheel hubs on their covered wagons with tallow and various types of animal fat. It got them from the Great Plains of the Midwest, all the way to San Francisco. That doesn't mean that today you would want to repack the wheel bearings on your Camaro with it for the same journey.

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#4633694 - 01/13/18 02:11 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
CajunLariat Offline


Registered: 11/24/17
Posts: 77
Loc: LOUISIANA
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Is Ballistol really as good as people claim it to be? shrug

My dad (BlueOvalFitter) and I tried the Ballistol. We both like it very much. My dad cleaned my grandfathers Winchester .22 pump rifle (Made 1939) with it. He has the before and after pics on his phone, but he can't post them because he's on vacation.
He even used it on the wood stock. Let's just say, WOW! That stuff is super slippery, if that's a different way of describing it. I own a S&W Sport 2 and a S&W M2.0 Compact 9mm. I haven't tried the Ballistol on either one, but will after tomorrow. Me and my dad are going to my grandfathers house to shoot. My dad built a range in his back yard by the edge of the soybean field back in 2009. It's a huge dirt hill with target stands in front of it. I want to shoot my AR then clean it with the Ballistol. Being we are new to it, any advice is very much appreciated.

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#4633876 - 01/13/18 05:38 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: billt460]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41403
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: billt460

Just so you don't think I'm bashing Ballistol, I feel the same about ANY biodegradable lubricant. There is nothing in any of them to pull me away from petroleum based oils and greases for firearms use. And if the little amount of petro based oil I consume for my personal use on firearms, is actually "damaging" the environment, we would have all been dead long ago.


Sorry, what basis do you have that the oils in ballistol aren't petroleum based?

I wouldn't be concerned about damaging the environment, but I wouldn't necessarily want lubricating ok additives on parts that contact my skin. IMO that's where ballistol shines. Wiped down an M1917 and 15-3 with it and they look beautiful, no worries about wood contact, and I can easily pick them up and go.

Doesn't/shouldn't mean that for actual wear/touch points, something more modern and surface active shouldn't be used. Just wondering what other competitive product can do what I stated the way ballistol can.

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#4633885 - 01/13/18 05:45 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: CajunLariat]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41403
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: CajunLariat
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Is Ballistol really as good as people claim it to be? shrug

My dad (BlueOvalFitter) and I tried the Ballistol. We both like it very much. My dad cleaned my grandfathers Winchester .22 pump rifle (Made 1939) with it. He has the before and after pics on his phone, but he can't post them because he's on vacation.
He even used it on the wood stock. Let's just say, WOW! That stuff is super slippery, if that's a different way of describing it. I own a S&W Sport 2 and a S&W M2.0 Compact 9mm. I haven't tried the Ballistol on either one, but will after tomorrow. Me and my dad are going to my grandfathers house to shoot. My dad built a range in his back yard by the edge of the soybean field back in 2009. It's a huge dirt hill with target stands in front of it. I want to shoot my AR then clean it with the Ballistol. Being we are new to it, any advice is very much appreciated.


Not a fan of ballistol or anything else on the polymer/rubber parts of pistols.

Ballistol is good IMO for cleaning the AR after routine use. Of course there are more aggressive cleaners, but for a light/routine cleaning, imo it works great. I personally use SLIP on the necessary points in the bcg and elsewhere after cleaning with the ballistol.

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#4633894 - 01/13/18 05:55 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: JHZR2]
CajunLariat Offline


Registered: 11/24/17
Posts: 77
Loc: LOUISIANA
JHZR2, what is SLIP and where can I buy some?

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#4633898 - 01/13/18 06:00 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: JHZR2]
billt460 Offline


Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4049
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Sorry, what basis do you have that the oils in ballistol aren't petroleum based?


Ballistol is based on Mineral Oil, which has a petroleum base. With that said Mineral Oil can spoil over time. It can and does become gummy and sticky. As people here have said happened to their guns when treated with it over time. Other petroleum based oils will not spoil over time the way Ballistol, and plant based lubricants will. As I've been saying, it's a century old product. There are much better products out there today to use on firearms for lubrication and rust prevention.

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#4633908 - 01/13/18 06:11 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: CajunLariat]
billt460 Offline


Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4049
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Originally Posted By: CajunLariat
JHZR2, what is SLIP and where can I buy some?


https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...f51d2mvmh_e_p20

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#4634033 - 01/13/18 09:13 PM Re: Ballistol [Re: billt460]
CajunLariat Offline


Registered: 11/24/17
Posts: 77
Loc: LOUISIANA
billt460, SERIOUSLY? I almost fell out of my chair when I saw those prices! People actually buy those small containers at those prices? I think I will keep using my WalMart super tech brake cleaner and my napa synthetic oil. I will be trying the Ballistol tomorrow. That stuff is slippery. And it smells.

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#4634172 - 01/14/18 01:55 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: billt460]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41403
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Sorry, what basis do you have that the oils in ballistol aren't petroleum based?


Ballistol is based on Mineral Oil, which has a petroleum base. With that said Mineral Oil can spoil over time. It can and does become gummy and sticky. As people here have said happened to their guns when treated with it over time. Other petroleum based oils will not spoil over time the way Ballistol, and plant based lubricants will. As I've been saying, it's a century old product. There are much better products out there today to use on firearms for lubrication and rust prevention.


I don't deny that there are better products for lubrication. We'd be saying that if it was dollar store oil vs synthetic, or any other comparo.

What Ive not seen a straight answer from anyone on is what can do all the things ballistol does with the same level of non-concern? That is, totally skin and wood safe, time tested, that leaves an oily protective film?

I do still question the basis of rancidity/"going bad" for pure mineral oil, most of the situations of that sort are anecdotal in nature, with other organic materials mixed in.

I have observed a slight film left behind by the product that was easily removed. Ive seen it still as an oily film after many (5+ years) on unfired lever action rifles I own. I believe two things are going on: (1) you apply the product and then the IPA flashes readily. I don't believe there's an emulsifying/water soluble alcohol component readily there for any period of time. (2) there's a minority petrolatum component that isn't listed in the SDS. This is used commonly in products like CRC 6-56 and 3-36, which, under the right conditions can also leave a residue. The ballistol website doesn't state the component, but does admit that it leaves behind a film. I believe the residual film may be miscategorized.

I see from past posts that the option you mention is Weapon Shield. It's claimed to be non toxic and a syn oil base. Great. Would you trust it long term on wood stocks? I trust ballistol in that manner.

There's also absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple products for multiple uses. This discussion here is really not a thought exercise in what one product will fit in my bug out pack for the zombie apocalypse. It's not soldiers in the field. Nothing wrong with having a strong and weakfish solvent, other cleaner, lubes, grease, etc. Ballistol is a tool in the toolbox. One you can use liberally, get on wood, get on your hands, be confident in it having some cleaning ability, leave a protective film that lasts years under the right conditions, but is also easily removed.

I wouldn't use any one product on everything. IMO it's a good and valuable tool; one I use more than any other because it's good and safe.

If there's another product that checks all the boxes I mention, I'm all ears. I'm not sure Weapon Shield checks them all. None of this discussion is to be an overly strong advocate for ballistol with blinders on. But Ive not seen a solid recommendation for a product that meets the metrics I've stated, and I do think the residues are miscategorized.

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#4634173 - 01/14/18 02:03 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: CajunLariat]
JHZR2 Offline



Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 41403
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: CajunLariat
billt460, SERIOUSLY? I almost fell out of my chair when I saw those prices! People actually buy those small containers at those prices? I think I will keep using my WalMart super tech brake cleaner and my napa synthetic oil. I will be trying the Ballistol tomorrow. That stuff is slippery. And it smells.


Brakefree CLP is less money, but Amazon asks about the same for Weapon Shield and other products in those little bottles. Little bottles of stuff that probably has to ship separately adds cost. Amazon is convenient, but their prime prices which have a shipping cost built in aren't always the best.

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#4634219 - 01/14/18 04:59 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: CajunLariat]
billt460 Offline


Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4049
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Originally Posted By: CajunLariat
billt460, SERIOUSLY? I almost fell out of my chair when I saw those prices! People actually buy those small containers at those prices? I think I will keep using my WalMart super tech brake cleaner and my napa synthetic oil. I will be trying the Ballistol tomorrow. That stuff is slippery. And it smells.


It's "gun lube". It's ALL overpriced. That's why there is so much of it out there. This is my favorite. $8.00 for a 1/2 ounce. At that price it comes to just $256.00 for a one pound jar.

https://shop.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-...zcaAr8dEALw_wcB

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#4634222 - 01/14/18 05:19 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: JHZR2]
billt460 Offline


Registered: 03/30/15
Posts: 4049
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I see from past posts that the option you mention is Weapon Shield. It's claimed to be non toxic and a syn oil base. Great. Would you trust it long term on wood stocks? I trust ballistol in that manner.


I would never use ANY product on wood that I use for lubricating metal. Why would you? You wouldn't take motor oil for your SUV and use it on your wife's dining room table. So why would you do basically the same with a lubricant you were using on your gun? What would it prove?

When I want to treat my wood stocks on my firearms I use a product designed for that. For metal I use the same. "All In One" products, along with century old lubricants, don't do anything very well. But they're better than nothing. Today there are far better choices.

WOOD

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Minwax-1-lbs-Paste-Finishing-Wax-785004444/100376194

METAL

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2756220438/steel-shield-weapon-shield-gun-oil-liquid

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2756112298/steel-shield-weapon-shield-gun-grease

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#4634224 - 01/14/18 05:34 AM Re: Ballistol [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 38953
Loc: 'Stralia
SUV Motor oil on your wifes table ?

strawman much ?

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