What a weak add pack on the factory fill. Phosphorus is not even up to the minimum standard. Glad I got it out.
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Factory fill, 1,929 miles, '17 Jeep 3.6L Pentastar
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It has a healthy dose of Moly which is good. Prob one of the most important additives for break in oil.
Is it still PYB used in these from the factory?
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Is it still PYB used in these from the factory?
FCA specs 0W-20 for the 2017 models so PYB would apparently not fit the bill. Pennzoil Platinum would qualify but here are VOA's of PYB and PP done recently by the Petroleum Quality Institute of America. Neither appears to be the oil that was in this engine. I can not find any oil that resembles it.
Product: Pennzoil
Viscosity Grade: SAE 5W-20
Labeling: API SN/ILSAC GF-5
Date of purchase: 6-23-2016
PHYSICAL TESTS (click for test details) - a Standard Pennzoil
TBN, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 8.77
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 6.9 to Viscosity @40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 50.52
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 149
Viscosity @-30ºC mPa s (cP) (ASTM D5293) 6,600 Max 5,339
Volatility, mass % loss, 1 hr, @ 250ºC (ASTM D5800) 15 Max -c 13.1
ELEMENTAL ANALYSIS (click for test details) - a, b
Additives
Calcium 2,283
Magnesium 7
Phosphorus, ppm 797
Zinc, ppm 876
Molybdenum, ppm 187
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 115
Silicon, ppm 4
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm Contaminants
Silver, ppm Aluminum, ppm 3
Chromium, ppm Iron, ppm Nickel, ppm Lead, ppm Antimony, ppm Tin, ppm
Product: Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic
Viscosity Grade: SAE 0W-20
Labeling: API SN/ILSAC GF-5 dexos1
Date of purchase: 12/28/2015
PHYSICAL TESTS (click for test details) - a Standard Pennzoil Platinum
TBN, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 8.88
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 6.9 to Viscosity @40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 44.56
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 165
Viscosity @-35ºC mPa s (cP) (ASTM D5293) 6,200 Max 6,068
Volatility, mass % loss, 1 hr, @ 250ºC (ASTM D5800) 15 Max -c 10.1
ELEMENTAL ANALYSIS (click for test details) - a, b
Additives
Calcium 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm Contaminants
Silver, ppm Aluminum, ppm 1
Chromium, ppm Iron, ppm Nickel, ppm Lead, ppm Antimony, ppm Tin, ppm <1
Is it still PYB used in these from the factory?
FCA specs 0W-20 for the 2017 models so PYB would apparently not fit the bill. Pennzoil Platinum would qualify but here are VOA's of PYB and PP done recently by the Petroleum Quality Institute of America. Neither appears to be the oil that was in this engine. I can not find any oil that resembles it.
Product: Pennzoil
Viscosity Grade: SAE 5W-20
Labeling: API SN/ILSAC GF-5
Date of purchase: 6-23-2016
PHYSICAL TESTS (click for test details) - a Standard Pennzoil
TBN, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 8.77
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 6.9 to Viscosity @40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 50.52
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 149
Viscosity @-30ºC mPa s (cP) (ASTM D5293) 6,600 Max 5,339
Volatility, mass % loss, 1 hr, @ 250ºC (ASTM D5800) 15 Max -c 13.1
ELEMENTAL ANALYSIS (click for test details) - a, b
Additives
Calcium 2,283
Magnesium 7
Phosphorus, ppm 797
Zinc, ppm 876
Molybdenum, ppm 187
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 115
Silicon, ppm 4
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm Contaminants
Silver, ppm Aluminum, ppm 3
Chromium, ppm Iron, ppm Nickel, ppm Lead, ppm Antimony, ppm Tin, ppm
Product: Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic
Viscosity Grade: SAE 0W-20
Labeling: API SN/ILSAC GF-5 dexos1
Date of purchase: 12/28/2015
PHYSICAL TESTS (click for test details) - a Standard Pennzoil Platinum
TBN, mg KOH/g (ASTM D2896) 8.88
Viscosity @ 100ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 6.9 to Viscosity @40ºC, cSt (ASTM D445) 44.56
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 165
Viscosity @-35ºC mPa s (cP) (ASTM D5293) 6,200 Max 6,068
Volatility, mass % loss, 1 hr, @ 250ºC (ASTM D5800) 15 Max -c 10.1
ELEMENTAL ANALYSIS (click for test details) - a, b
Additives
Calcium 2,615
Magnesium 8
Phosphorus, ppm 750
Zinc, ppm 835
Molybdenum, ppm 57
Barium, ppm Boron, ppm 3
Silicon, ppm 7
Potassium, ppm Manganese, ppm Titanium, ppm Copper, ppm Sodium, ppm Vanadium, ppm Contaminants
Silver, ppm Aluminum, ppm 1
Chromium, ppm Iron, ppm Nickel, ppm Lead, ppm Antimony, ppm Tin, ppm <1
What about PYB 5w30 being the FF?
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
What about PYB 5w30 being the FF?
With reported viscosity at 7.3 cSt and fuel dilution at 3%, that would put the 0% fuel dilution cSt in the low to mid 8 range - just right for SAE 20 viscosity.
What about PYB 5w30 being the FF?
With reported viscosity at 7.3 cSt and fuel dilution at 3%, that would put the 0% fuel dilution cSt in the low to mid 8 range - just right for SAE 20 viscosity.
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
It has a healthy dose of Moly which is good. Prob one of the most important additives for break in oil.
Not trying to start a fight here, a real question, but why Moly ?
I thought high zinc (ZDDP) for anti-wear, but low detergent and low FM to not compete with the zinc on the metal surface, was the traditional breaking-in oil. This was normally changed early due to low detergent and TBN levels.
Not that I think it matters much now days with modern engines and roller cams.
Just asking.
BTW OP, thanks for the UOA.
It has a healthy dose of Moly which is good. Prob one of the most important additives for break in oil.
Not trying to start a fight here, a real question, but why Moly ?
I thought high zinc (ZDDP) for anti-wear, but low detergent and low FM to not compete with the zinc on the metal surface, was the traditional breaking-in oil. This was normally changed early due to low detergent and TBN levels.
Not that I think it matters much now days with modern engines and roller cams.
Just asking.
BTW OP, thanks for the UOA.
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