Zimmerman Trial Thread Locked

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

And this KID was a huge hunk of a guy. They showed little boy pics of him on the news, totally distorted. Anyone knows if you go down with one of these thugs they will kick you in the head repeatedly. That should make anyone afraid...


5'11 158 lbs is a huge hunk of a guy? Sounds like an average HS kid to me.

 

[Benzadmiral]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

And this KID was a huge hunk of a guy. They showed little boy pics of him on the news, totally distorted. Anyone knows if you go down with one of these thugs they will kick you in the head repeatedly. That should make anyone afraid...


5'11 158 lbs is a huge hunk of a guy? Sounds like an average HS kid to me.

Size differential or not (and GZ weighed only 10 lbs. more than TM), it appears that if TM hadn't jumped GZ, he'd be alive now.

 

[refaller]

And if GZ hadn't followed him, TM would've been alive. Honestly, with all the testosterone on BITOG, it would appear most people here would not respond with love and respect to someone following you around as you walked a neighborhood. I walk around in my neighborhood. If someone is following me, I would be suspicious. If I took actions further, I would expect most of you would applaud me. Regardless, there was a day when a fist fight ended with a winner, not a dead guy cause the dude losing the fight to a smaller guy got the best of him and so the loser pulled a firearm. Glad fists were enough when I was 17.

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[ottotheclown]

No anymore just think if it was now that point would be different. I figure Zimm was about 5o lbs more now eh??

Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

And this KID was a huge hunk of a guy. They showed little boy pics of him on the news, totally distorted. Anyone knows if you go down with one of these thugs they will kick you in the head repeatedly. That should make anyone afraid...


5'11 158 lbs is a huge hunk of a guy? Sounds like an average HS kid to me.

Size differential or not (and GZ weighed only 10 lbs. more than TM), it appears that if TM hadn't jumped GZ, he'd be alive now.

 

[Mystic]

I agree with Clevy. A guy can kill another guy with his fists. I saw a guy break another guy's jaw in four places using his fists.

This TM was on top of Zimmerman and punching him. If Zimmerman would have been knocked out TM could have killed him.

 

[Swarmlord]

A lot of assumptions going on in this thread.

 

[FXjohn]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

And this KID was a huge hunk of a guy. They showed little boy pics of him on the news, totally distorted. Anyone knows if you go down with one of these thugs they will kick you in the head repeatedly. That should make anyone afraid...


5'11 158 lbs is a huge hunk of a guy? Sounds like an average HS kid to me.


why does 5'11'" 158 pounds scare steve so much? wow

 

[97tbird]

I did not say he's an 11 yr old. That's media's problem.

So you assume he brought drugs - why?
Again, whom did you refer to as animals? and you called TM thug?

 

[refaller]

He will not answer that. However, it is clear in context. Police reports have him at 160lbs. At 6'0" and 160, GZ must've been a wuss who should not be trying to pick fights. I am 6' 220 and I do not go looking for fights. If this was anyone kid on this board, they would not be so quick to defend the shooter.

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For the record, I think they were both stupid, but one already paid the ultimate price for his stupidity.

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Clevy
This whole comment that tm only had his fists to fight with. Well I can honestly say I've seen guys fight with their fists that hit so hard they can break your jaw,and a few well placed punches can easily cause Bain swelling and coma.
My cousin has fists the size of cantaloupes and I've seen him knock guys clean out cold with 1 shot. Now lets imagine a man like that getting on top after the victim is asleep and plants a couple more.
Sorry. Not buying the only his fists argument. If seen men who's fists could put you in a coma.


And this KID was a huge hunk of a guy. They showed little boy pics of him on the news, totally distorted. Anyone knows if you go down with one of these thugs they will kick you in the head repeatedly. That should make anyone afraid...
What a joke!! He was 5'11 158. Zimmerman 5'7 204!! Yeah Mr. TM was a huge hulking person!! Please save you assumptions for the Faux News crowd. Zimmerman the pig thug lied in court, lied about him grabbing the gun, lied about not knowing the street, even though the address was on the curb. Its only three streets there, he lived there for 4 years and constantly patrolled the area...but he doesn't know the name?? Only a fool with no critical thinking believes that. I hope that pig thug rots in H E L L! Photo evidence shows there wasn't any blood on the concrete....wonder why not because I thought he was getting his head bashed in?

I guess that it's ok for me to arm myself, stalk someone I don't like or who I feel is causing trouble, face off with them and once I'm hit, then I have the right to shoot and kill scot free and scream that I stood my ground? Guess I need to move to FL!!

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
+1 This.
I am amazed why 90% here don't see this.
But then again, this BITOG - one should not be surprised of the views where guns are involved.


That's not fair. Being an advocate for your one's personal self defense does not mean that you're an advocate for vigilantism.


Agree. My views on this case are not 2nd amendment/gun ownership related at all.

 

[Mystic]

I think it is possible to say things about both of them. Zimmerman apparently was told by the dispatcher on the cellphone not to get out of his car and follow TM. If he would have stayed in his car probably nothing would have happened. However, before the fight started he apparently was going back to his car. So why did TM attack him? Zimmerman apparently thought TM had been up to something and wanted to keep an eye on him.

There are all kinds of things that can be brought up. But in the end TM was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, breaking his nose and causing injuries to the back of his head. Zimmerman was losing the fight and may have been in fear for his life. He claims that TM noticed the gun and went for the gun.

In the end, probably not enough evidence for second degree murder and with the possibility of self defense I think manslaughter is not called for either. Neither one of these guys had good judgment that night. But the news media makes a big deal out of this local event, turning it into national news. I will not make it a racial thing myself. I say self defense even if it had been TM underneath with the gun and Zimmerman on top punching out TM.

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: refaller
He will not answer that. However, it is clear in context. Police reports have him at 160lbs. At 6'0" and 160, GZ must've been a wuss who should not be trying to pick fights. I am 6' 220 and I do not go looking for fights. If this was anyone kid on this board, they would not be so quick to defend the shooter.

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For the record, I think they were both stupid, but one already paid the ultimate price for his stupidity.
He is a wuss thug packing a gun. If this was a professional MMA fighter beating the thug Zimmerman, yes he could've killed him but for some of you to try to act like this kid could've done the same thing is crazy. I'm 6'3 245 and live in the gym and I wouldn't do things this thug Zimmerman did.

I wouldn't call TM stupid. He stood his ground and fought for his life. He was a brave kid who was stalked by a gun toting, cop assaulting, woman beater thug.

 

[NightRiderQ45]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I think it is possible to say things about both of them. Zimmerman apparently was told by the dispatcher on the cellphone not to get out of his car and follow TM. If he would have stayed in his car probably nothing would have happened. However, before the fight started he apparently was going back to his car. So why did TM attack him? Zimmerman apparently thought TM had been up to something and wanted to keep an eye on him.

There are all kinds of things that can be brought up. But in the end TM was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, breaking his nose and causing injuries to the back of his head. Zimmerman was losing the fight and may have been in fear for his life. He claims that TM noticed the gun and went for the gun.

In the end, probably not enough evidence for second degree murder and with the possibility of self defense I think manslaughter is not called for either. Neither one of these guys had good judgment that night. But the news media makes a big deal out of this local event, turning it into national news. I will not make it a racial thing myself. I say self defense even if it had been TM underneath with the gun and Zimmerman on top punching out TM.
try again. Zimmerman said "when I walked back towards him, I saw him coming towards me" sorry he acknowledges that he was the aggressor. He tried to change it up mid-sentence but it was too late. This is FACT, no assumptions....this is what the thug said. Now mister can you provide FACTS to back up your claim that TM came at him first? No assumptions but FACTS.

 

[Dwight_Frye]

Here's some facts for you NightriderQ45: Zimmerman's condo complex had a series of break ins that were committed by young black males. Witnesses confirmed this. A neighborhood watch program was initiated. Trayvon was rightly profiled because he was a young black male and fit the description of prior suspects. Zimmerman was following and observing and waiting for the cops. "Stalking" or "chasing" as I have heard it described is an opinion and an inflammatory bit of rhetoric. Trayvon has a history of violence. FACT. He sucker punched a bus driver. Why that was inadmissible is beyond me. He didn't like the fact that he was being followed, they exchanged words and he punched Zimmerman and began to give him a good beating. Dis he deserve to die ? Maybe not but he sure deserved to get shot.
Zimmerman is a political prisoner, as sure as daylight. He was a wannabe cop. That is not a crime. He shouldn't have followed Trayvon after the dispatcher told him not to. That wasn't a crime either. Trayvon shouldn't have assaulted Zimmerman. That WAS a crime. He brought on his own demise.
Anyone want to bet if Zimmerman is acquitted, he will instantly be handcuffed and taken into custody by a Federal Marshall who was sent by Obama and the chinless weasel corrupt AG Holder, and charged with trumped up Civil Rights violations in order to placate the Obama voters ? I suggest this: Zimmerman gets off with time served and with the public knowledge that he has probably paid $250K in legal fees, has not been able to work and likely won't be able in the future, and his life is in danger on the street by low IQ thugs who can't evaluate the evidence. That's a pretty stiff penalty for someone who is not guilty.
And.....IBTL

 

[Mystic]

Where did you get the cop assaulting, wife beater from? I did not know that Zimmerman had those charges also.

 

[MrOctober44]

A lot of you Guy`s have PROBLEM

I don't` care how bad he was that don't give you the right to shoot someone, y`all made it like the kid brought on himself like I said this is 2013 not 1960s

 

[Mystic]

Having been on jury duty twice I know the people on the jury have to go by the evidence. The jury is not supposed to do what the mainstream media wants and not supposed to use race or anything else in their decision. I have no idea what this jury is going to do. But based on what I have seen I don't think there is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman, no matter how badly the mainstream media may want that.

If the jury does find Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder well then the mainstream media will get what it wants and might be satisfied for a while. But if that was the wrong decision actually and Zimmerman was trying to defend himself it is a terrible thing to send somebody to prison if they are not guilty. Everybody with common sense should know this was a local event that never should have been national news.

I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not. Maybe he is guilty. But if you are sitting on a jury you have to go by the evidence. If you are the one sitting on that jury you can't say 'I don't like that Zimmerman guy' or make it into a racial thing. You are supposed to make your decision based on the evidence, and if that is not possible in this trial then there can be no proper justice.

On both of the trials I was involved in both men were found guilty. We found them guilty based on the evidence that was presented. If the evidence is not there do not send a potentially innocent man (or woman) to prison.

Everybody is entitled to a fair trial, regardless of race, gender, religious beliefs, or anything else. No matter what the mainstream media may think.

 

[refaller]

Interesting how we have a thread going about the gestapo cops stopping people with no reason, but don't criticize a guy stalking someone because he "believed" he was suspicious. In my area, most DUIs are middle aged white dudes. Cops better watch out for me!

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[Mystic]

I stand by what I have said in my posts on this matter because I know it is the truth. In the end, the truth wins.