Zero40 Euro compared to zero 40

[6.2]

I could not find zero 40 Pennzoil ultra platinum motor oil so I put zero40 ultra platinum European formula in my hellcat. Should I drain it or leave it in there it’s a 2016 dodge challenger hellcat. I get conflicting answers from people. I would like to know if I should leave it in there or not

 

[HankHill]

Read here for info:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/what-oil-for-the-hellcat.219599/

 

[JavierH19]

In reality just about any euro spec 0/5w-40 will do just fine. It may not have the exact spec but it won't be the slightly different 40 grade euro oil that will be it's grim reaper. it'll be a telephone pole or a thief. Or a combination of both.

 

[6.2]

I could not find zero 40 Pennzoil ultra platinum motor oil so I put zero40 ultra platinum European formula in my hellcat. Should I drain it or leave it in there it’s a 2016 dodge challenger hellcat. I get conflicting answers from people. I would like to know if I should leave it in there or not

Hello

 

[edyvw]

I could not find zero 40 Pennzoil ultra platinum motor oil so I put zero40 ultra platinum European formula in my hellcat. Should I drain it or leave it in there it’s a 2016 dodge challenger hellcat. I get conflicting answers from people. I would like to know if I should leave it in there or not

European specifications are more stringent than what FCA recommends.
Leave it in.

 

[OVERKILL]

European specifications are more stringent than what FCA recommends.
Leave it in.

This.

The SRT 0w-40 is not as robustly formulated as a Euro 0w-40.

 

[Gokhan]

They are both very good oils.

Pennzoil Ultra is branded as the race-tested oil line of Pennzoil, specifically designed for cars like SRT Hellcat (0W-40 grade) and other performance cars (other viscosity grades) that are occasionally raced. It has a boosted additive package in comparison to Pennzoil Platinum. The base oil for Platinum flavors is all GTL, so there is no quality variation with flavors there, but there may be viscosity variations.

Pennzoil Euro 0W-40 is full-SAPS, which is for older European cars with less strict emission requirements.

This said, you don't need to drain. The main concern with the full-SAPS (A3/B4) Euro flavor is the the higher phosphorus content, which will accelerate the poisoning of your catalytic converter.

It looks like the SP version of the Euro has a lot of boron now, which is good. I couldn't find a VOA for the SP version of Ultra.

The closest alternative for PP Ultra 0W-40 is Mobil 1 Supercar 0W-40 (dexosR), formerly M1 ESP 0W-40 (dexos2). It is for Corvettes. You using PP Euro instead of PP Ultra in your SRT Hellcat is like someone using M1 FS 0W-40 instead of M1 ESP/Supercar 0W-40 in their Corvette.

https://www.mobil.com/en-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/na-xx-mobil-1-supercar-0w-40

https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-motor-oils/pennzoil-ultra-platinum.html

https://www.epc.shell.com/documentRetrieve.asp?documentId=114524653

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/pennzoil-platinum-euro-0w-40-voa.348615/

https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2967957A1/en

 

[6.2]

Wow. Impressive….thank you

 

[kschachn]

I could not find zero 40 Pennzoil ultra platinum motor oil so I put zero40 ultra platinum European formula in my hellcat. Should I drain it or leave it in there it’s a 2016 dodge challenger hellcat. I get conflicting answers from people. I would like to know if I should leave it in there or not

Where were you getting conflicting answers?

 

[6.2]

Where were you getting conflicting answers?

I called Pennzoil and asked them they said “change the oil back to zero 40 ultra platinum do not use euro.” I called Amsoil and a tech guy told me leave it in won’t hurt other than emissions.

 

[edyvw]

They are both very good oils.

Pennzoil Ultra is branded as the race-tested oil line of Pennzoil, specifically designed for cars like SRT Hellcat (0W-40 grade) and other performance cars (other viscosity grades) that are occasionally raced. It has a boosted additive package in comparison to Pennzoil Platinum. The base oil for Platinum flavors is all GTL, so there is no quality variation with flavors there, but there may be viscosity variations.

Pennzoil Euro 0W-40 is full-SAPS, which is for older European cars with less strict emission requirements.

This said, you don't need to drain. The main concern with the full-SAPS (A3/B4) Euro flavor is the the higher phosphorus content, which will accelerate the poisoning of your catalytic converter.

It looks like the SP version of the Euro has a lot of boron now, which is good. I couldn't find a VOA for the SP version of Ultra.

The closest alternative for PP Ultra 0W-40 is Mobil 1 Supercar 0W-40 (dexosR), formerly M1 ESP 0W-40 (dexos2). It is for Corvettes. You using PP Euro instead of PP Ultra in your SRT Hellcat is like someone using M1 FS 0W-40 instead of M1 ESP/Supercar 0W-40 in their Corvette.

https://www.mobil.com/en-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/na-xx-mobil-1-supercar-0w-40

https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-motor-oils/pennzoil-ultra-platinum.html

https://www.epc.shell.com/documentRetrieve.asp?documentId=114524653

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/pennzoil-platinum-euro-0w-40-voa.348615/

https://patents.google.com/patent/CA2967957A1/en

Wait what?
Platinum carries A40 approval which is tested for track purposes.
Shell Helix (PPE) is used in numerous race series that Shell sponsors.
WWhat is exactly this race tested methodology?

 

[edyvw]

I called Pennzoil and asked them they said “change the oil back to zero 40 ultra platinum do not use euro.” I called Amsoil and a tech guy told me leave it in won’t hurt other than emissions.

Pennzoil or ANY other company like that will never tell you to go against manufacturers recommendations, even if Dodge said: get Extra Virgin Oil on Costco in isle 5 (not one on sale in isle 23).
Leave it in. Your catalytic converter will be perfectly fine and unlike SRT actually has bunch of approvals that include also track capability.
Personally, I would run in that engine A40 oil any day over SRT oil.

 

[edyvw]

To add one more thing,

Pennzoil Platinum is the first fill in Ferrari and Maserati and is used by dealerships. The same oil in Europe is designated as Shell Helix Ultra. Shell and Ferrari have decades-long R&D cooperation.
I know Hellcat is a fast vehicle, but it ain't Ferrari.

 

[Gokhan]

Wait what?
Platinum carries A40 approval which is tested for track purposes.
Shell Helix (PPE) is used in numerous race series that Shell sponsors.
WWhat is exactly this race tested methodology?

PP Ultra 0W-40 does not have Porsche A40 approval or Ferrari approval.

As I said, both are good oils. Which one has more antioxidant? I don't know because I am not the formulator. Pennzoil claims extreme performance on the chart I linked above for Ultra but not for Euro. Again, these are their claims.

The main problem is the higher phosphorus and SAPS level. Of course, it would reduce the catalyst life. It's the same reason mid-SAPS M1 Supercar dexosR (R for racing) 0W-40 is recommended for Corvette but not the more common full-SAPS M1 FS A3/B4 0W-40.

If you had a new Corvette, would you go off-spec and use M1 FS 0W-40? I doubt it.

 

[Gokhan]

I think we're splitting hairs here. Probably any 0W-40 or 5W-40 with European specs or Chrysler specs is fine in this engine. However, I am sure that when the Chrysler engineers chose the Ultra 0W-40 over Euro 0W-40, there was a reason other than a marketing agreement. Note that the Euro 5W-40 has a bunch of Chrysler specs (MS-10725, MS-10850, and MS-12991) as well but not the spec for the SRT Hellcat (MS-A0921).

Oil-Club Russia found an unusually high sulfur content (0.357%) in PP Ultra 5W-30, which made the user who posted the VOA unhappy about it. (He said, "But I don't like sulfur. Oil is based on GTL with a modern additive package and even on calcium plus magnesium. It shouldn't contain so much sulfur. Where is it from?") Perhaps this is an antioxidant/extreme-pressure/antiwear sulfur compound such as these marketed by Vanderbilt, and it is the secret sauce of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum that gives its "extreme performance" over Pennzoil Platinum without Ultra or Pennzoil Platinum Euro without Ultra.

https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/41141-pennzoil-ultra-platinum-5w-30-api-sn-plus-свежее/

https://www.vanderbiltchemicals.com...r-oil-additives-antioxidants-sulfur-compounds

 

[edyvw]

PP Ultra 0W-40 does not have Porsche A40 approval or Ferrari approval.

As I said, both are good oils. Which one has more antioxidant? I don't know because I am not the formulator. Pennzoil claims extreme performance on the chart I linked above for Ultra but not for Euro. Again, these are their claims.

The main problem is the higher phosphorus and SAPS level. Of course, it would reduce the catalyst life. It's the same reason mid-SAPS M1 Supercar dexosR (R for racing) 0W-40 is recommended for Corvette but not the more common full-SAPS M1 FS A3/B4 0W-40.

If you had a new Corvette, would you go off-spec and use M1 FS 0W-40? I doubt it.

I said PPE (Pennzoil Platinum Euro) has A40 not ultra. Not sure where did you get that in my post?

I would use FS or X3.

 

[gogydm]

And of PPE only the 5W-40 version was A40 approval.

 

[PimTac]

I called Pennzoil and asked them they said “change the oil back to zero 40 ultra platinum do not use euro.” I called Amsoil and a tech guy told me leave it in won’t hurt other than emissions.

I would call Chevron and get their opinion.

 

[edyvw]

And of PPE only the 5W-40 version was A40 approval.

You are right. Though Helix, same oil basically carries A40.
It is still ridiculous to argue that it won’t be ok in this engine.

 

[OVERKILL]

I think we're splitting hairs here. Probably any 0W-40 or 5W-40 with European specs or Chrysler specs is fine in this engine. However, I am sure that when the Chrysler engineers chose the Ultra 0W-40 over Euro 0W-40, there was a reason other than a marketing agreement. Note that the Euro 5W-40 has a bunch of Chrysler specs (MS-10725, MS-10850, and MS-12991) as well but not the spec for the SRT Hellcat (MS-A0921).

Oil-Club Russia found an unusually high sulfur content (0.357%) in PP Ultra 5W-30, which made the user who posted the VOA unhappy about it. (He said, "But I don't like sulfur. Oil is based on GTL with a modern additive package and even on calcium plus magnesium. It shouldn't contain so much sulfur. Where is it from?") Perhaps this is an antioxidant/extreme-pressure/antiwear sulfur compound such as these marketed by Vanderbilt, and it is the secret sauce of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum that gives its "extreme performance" over Pennzoil Platinum without Ultra or Pennzoil Platinum Euro without Ultra.

https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/41141-pennzoil-ultra-platinum-5w-30-api-sn-plus-свежее/

https://www.vanderbiltchemicals.com...r-oil-additives-antioxidants-sulfur-compounds

The original SRT oil was M1 0w-40, a Euro oil. And it was that way for AGES until Fiat bought Chrysler and then swapped-out Mobil for SOPUS. They quickly cooked-up the SRT 0w-40, the only approvals it carried were SN and the new numbered SRT approval (to replace the number previously worn by the Euro oil). It had higher Noack and the additive package, at least the metallics, looked like your typical SN GF-5 lube.

I've never had a full SAPS oil kill a catalyst. Maybe GPF/DPF's are more sensitive? But the SRT cars don't have GPF's. Catalyst failure just isn't that prevalent and the ones I have heard about were mostly on economy cars driven mildly, often in-town, running oils that are already low SAPS.