Yet ANOTHER, irresponsible pet owner!

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell

I said that if it happens ONE more I will call animal control and file a complaint.



I deal with a similar situation in my neighborhood. this lady walks her dog off a leash (against the law) every morning. It's a nice but very playful and energetic lab. It runs through every persons yard, takes a [censored] in my yard (and everyone elses) at least once a week, and comes barreling at me if I'm in my yard. I told the lady nicely several times I don't appreciate here dog [censored] in my yard and she basically said, oh sorry, just deal with it, it isn't hurting anything. I called animal control and the police and filed a complaint and that's the best they can do. SO, after talking with a few neighbors, we fought back and everytime the dog [censored] in someone's yard, we promptly remove said [censored] and give it back to it's rightful owner, as in throwing it via shovel into her driveway. It's gone as far as her husband threatening to kick my a$$ and yadda yadda yadda. I laughed and pulled out my phone which recorded the entire confrontation. It's died down now and the lady has miraculously started walking the dog on a leash. Some people are just absolute [censored]; what she was doing was essentially using her dog to mark her (the woman's) "territory". I swear to god, that's how pathological some of these dog owners are.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: daves66nova
Originally Posted By: Kruse
He bit me on the hand with five puncture wounds and my hand got swollen and infected. Try explaining that to the doctor.
So what happened after that? You confront the owner?


He had his dog put down. I didn't push it, he decided to do it on his own free will. It was a blue heeler.

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT


I deal with a similar situation in my neighborhood. this lady walks her dog off a leash (against the law) every morning. It's a nice but very playful and energetic lab. It runs through every persons yard, takes a [censored] in my yard (and everyone elses) at least once a week, and comes barreling at me if I'm in my yard. I told the lady nicely several times I don't appreciate here dog [censored] in my yard and she basically said, oh sorry, just deal with it, it isn't hurting anything. I called animal control and the police and filed a complaint and that's the best they can do. SO, after talking with a few neighbors, we fought back and everytime the dog [censored] in someone's yard, we promptly remove said [censored] and give it back to it's rightful owner, as in throwing it via shovel into her driveway. It's gone as far as her husband threatening to kick my a$$ and yadda yadda yadda. I laughed and pulled out my phone which recorded the entire confrontation. It's died down now and the lady has miraculously started walking the dog on a leash. Some people are just absolute [censored]; what she was doing was essentially using her dog to mark her (the woman's) "territory". I swear to god, that's how pathological some of these dog owners are.


I don't think they want the dog to attack me...however they do, I believe want the dog to react to pedestrians...(however interestingly this dog does NOT come after the other next door neighbors...so I believe that it is trained in this way. The only reason they have weakly attempted to call the dog back is because they KNOW that I would expect that reaction. These owners are NOT stupid, and probably are quite clever.

Yes, in our SC county as well you can use LETHAL force when dealing with a threatening dog off of the owner's property. That is why I will start carrying a gun.

I don't care about how "influential" these well off people are. They probably count on using that as leverage, but clearly picked the wrong person to attempt that with. I'm not the least bit intimidated.

OBTW These owners have TWO houses within 300 yards of each other one worth over a million the other worth about 250+. LOL

Agreed with the other poster that stated there are NO bad dogs only bad owners.

 

[mechtech2]

People have no concern for others - me first - me only.
Not just annoying jumping on you and maybe a bite, but cursed barking and barking.
Go legal on his arse!

 

[Bladecutter]

I deal with this issue just about every single day, but my problem is slightly bigger.

I have a beautiful little Black Lab mix named Nera.
She's a sweet little thing, just over 40 lbs of happy energy, and just loves going for walks.

I keep Nera on a harness and leash at all times, like any responsible pet owner should.
The harness wraps all around her front end, so I have full control over her as long as I have the leash in my hand, but again, she's a great dog, and we love going for walks.

Unfortunately, a huge portion of the people who also live in my neighborhood, and who own dogs feel like it's their right to have their dogs roaming free, in their front yards, at any given time of the day. So while we're on a walk, we might turn a corner, and have a dog come charging right at us.

Like I said earlier, Nera is a Lab mix.
She REALLY doesn't like being charged at by unfamiliar dogs.
A couple weeks back, she had two dogs charge her at the same time, and in less than a moment, she had one by the throat and tackled it to the ground, while I kept the other one at bay myself, kicking it several times.

These owners don't learn.
At least once a week, I have to avoid a confrontation with loose dogs, and their stupid owners. They get mad at me for telling them to put their dogs on leashes. I'm getting to the point where I'm tempted to print out copies of the city's leash law, and mail a copy to every address in the neighborhood, and include a note that if I ever have their dog charge me again, I'm calling the police and animal control.

BC.

 

[HM12460]

I apologize to all you dog owners before posting this. If a big dog charges me, I'll be the last one said dog charges. A 40 cal. will stop even the biggest dog. Any dog just wanting to play, regardless of size, I'll probably stop and shake hands or other wise try to make friends with them. A big dog with fangs bared growling/barking is going down fast. No second chances.

 

[crazyoildude]

Maybe its a good idea to stay away from that situation who knows this guy could be discussing this topic with his cousins...LOL
I do agree also that there are no bad Dogs only bad owners..

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Maybe its a good idea to stay away from that situation who knows this guy could be discussing this topic with his cousins...LOL
I do agree also that there are no bad Dogs only bad owners..


I have NO intention of "staying away" from the area, I live there and the dog has come after me on TWO different streets, each near both houses.
Like I am really going to cower in my home and not walk a PUBLIC roadway that I pay taxes on. LOL... NEVER gonna happen!

You did read where I said I will start carrying a gun, didn't you?

Honestly, I hope that they "got it" when I lambasted the woman and commented that if I get hurt or someone else does they will be sued as well. I wouldn't mind getting the best ambulance chaser I can find and telling him that if he wins a court case he can have all monies/properties except for the medical costs and damages to bring me back to health. I think that lawyer will be VERY successful.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Maybe its a good idea to stay away from that situation who knows this guy could be discussing this topic with his cousins...LOL
I do agree also that there are no bad Dogs only bad owners..


I have NO intention of "staying away" from the area, I live there and the dog has come after me on TWO different streets, each near both houses.
Like I am really going to cower in my home and not walk a PUBLIC roadway that I pay taxes on. LOL... NEVER gonna happen!

You did read where I said I will start carrying a gun, didn't you?

Honestly, I hope that they "got it" when I lambasted the woman and commented that if I get hurt or someone else does they will be sued as well. I wouldn't mind getting the best ambulance chaser I can find and telling him that if he wins a court case he can have all monies/properties except for the medical costs and damages to bring me back to health. I think that lawyer will be VERY successful.

A bit extreme to continue walking near that house and say that you will be carrying a gun. Not smart. You are aware of the issue yet you think it better to carry a gun than solve this another way? That's not smart at all. I think you are getting way too worked up over this to the point of bringing a firearm into it when other alternatives exist.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: HM12460
I apologize to all you dog owners before posting this. If a big dog charges me, I'll be the last one said dog charges. A 40 cal. will stop even the biggest dog. Any dog just wanting to play, regardless of size, I'll probably stop and shake hands or other wise try to make friends with them. A big dog with fangs bared growling/barking is going down fast. No second chances.


Sad but I agree.

 

[Astro14]

This is a difficult situation - the owner should not allow their dog to threaten anyone. But, if you know the dog is hostile, then the question becomes, why put yourself in harm's way?

I completely support your right to walk in peace, and your right to defend yourself.

But I think that the use of lethal force would be interpreted by some as "looking for a fight"...so, I would not use lethal means against the dog...

A large walking stick? Pepper spray? Both would be more proportional responses (self defense must be both necessary and proportional)...if you're forced to defend yourself...

I would choose to document/video the dog's behaviour and present that in a civil suit or other legal venue to get the owners to behave responsibly before you have to take physical action against the dog itself...it really is their fault that their dog is badly behaved...they should be the target of any action...

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: andrewg

A bit extreme to continue walking near that house and say that you will be carrying a gun. Not smart. You are aware of the issue yet you think it better to carry a gun than solve this another way? That's not smart at all. I think you are getting way too worked up over this to the point of bringing a firearm into it when other alternatives exist.


they have been warned now repeatedly.....They are well heeled intelligent people and know the possible consequences for repeatedly allowing a vicious dog to threaten me.

If you read my previous posts I mentioned that I would call animal control and or sue them if I am injured for every penny they have! I will carry a gun but it would only be used if my life was in immediate danger.

The bottom line this....YOU CANNOT allow a threatening animal to wander around UNCONTROLLED on public streets..PERIOD. The law specifically states this...and like I mentioned earlier...I feel sorry for the animal because it only can do what its IDIOT owners allow it to do. But that owner is essentially pointing a "loaded gun" at innocent neighbors and spinning the chamber of the pistol ..who knows which one is "loaded".

"Looking for a fight".....is when an owner INSISTS on letting their big threatening dog bother me when I am walking in peace on a public street minding my own business.

You make irresponsible decisions, you must pay. These people are NOT retarded or uneducated. They know the consequences and can suffer them.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: andrewg

A bit extreme to continue walking near that house and say that you will be carrying a gun. Not smart. You are aware of the issue yet you think it better to carry a gun than solve this another way? That's not smart at all. I think you are getting way too worked up over this to the point of bringing a firearm into it when other alternatives exist.


they have been warned now repeatedly.....They are well heeled intelligent people and know the possible consequences for repeatedly allowing a vicious dog to threaten me.

If you read my previous posts I mentioned that I would call animal control and or sue them if I am injured for every penny they have! I will carry a gun but it would only be used if my life was in immediate danger.

The bottom line this....YOU CANNOT allow a threatening animal to wander around UNCONTROLLED on public streets..PERIOD. The law specifically states this...and like I mentioned earlier...I feel sorry for the animal because it only can do what its IDIOT owners allow it to do. But that owner is essentially pointing a "loaded gun" at innocent neighbors and spinning the chamber of the pistol ..who knows which one is "loaded".

"Looking for a fight".....is when an owner INSISTS on letting their big threatening dog bother me when I am walking in peace on a public street minding my own business.

You make irresponsible decisions, you must pay. These people are NOT retarded or uneducated. They know the consequences and can suffer them.

No doubt these people are in the wrong. No doubt the dog does present somewhat of a danger. And no doubt that you have a right to walk the street without fear of being attacked. BUT......being that YOU know this animal is a danger and may possibly attack you, AND you bring up the mention of carrying a firearm the next time YOU walk by this house....well sir, you are simply not using wise judgement. What if you get no immediate help with your issue and then you decide to go for a walk right past this house knowing full well what could happen? Do you not see that you are inviting conflict that could involve something extremely serious (a firearm)? What if a stray slug hits a child or innocent bystander? It's just not worth the risk. Do any and all means of involving the authorities that you can. Get a lawyer if need be....because I can promise you that if you discharge a firearm in your community (especially knowing full well about the dog being a danger and NOT avoiding it)....you'll sure need a lawyer. Trust me....I agree with most of what you've stated. I despise rude and inconsiderate people with a passion. But you really should put away all notion of utilizing a firearm in this situation. Avoid this escalation of the conflict or you may very well come to regret it. (Just so you know, I do hold the 2nd Amendment as crucial and am a gun owner with a concealed permit...so I am not an anti-gun type).

 

[crazyoildude]

Well im going to end it here this is becomming silly.. HaHa

 

[antiqueshell]

Please read my previous post again.

As I mentioned twice I will carry a gun but only use it if my life is in immediate danger.

Also remember that these people own TWO homes within 300 or 400 yards from both which are located on two different streets that are nearby to where I live, each time that dog has come from on their property and threatened me. I am NOT using poor judgement when I walk those streets I live there, and I have the right of way to walk (exercise) there without the fear of a threatening animal on my heels.

In my county the law states that a person CAN use lethal force(gun, cattle prod, knife, ect. ) if they are approached by a threatening dog, period.

The first thing a court here will ask is....did the owner maintain control of the dog at ALL TIMES? The answer is NO. Did the victim give the owners the consideration of a fair warning as to the threat of the animal to my person? Yes, MULTIPLE times....
Yet the owner failed to take the needed measures to OBEY and follow the laws of the county. It is not my job as the victim to inform the owners of their duties to obey the laws, it is for them to ALREADY know and understand, else they have no right to own such an animal.

I can promise you that the magistrate or judge would find the owners guilty of gross negligence and hopefully sentence them to prison time and damages to the victim. Maybe then they won't be so arrogant, obnoxious, and self entitled.

 

[crazyoildude]

LOL !!

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Please read my previous post again.

As I mentioned twice I will carry a gun but only use it if my life is in immediate danger.

Also remember that these people own TWO homes within 300 or 400 yards from both which are located on two different streets that are nearby to where I live, each time that dog has come from on their property and threatened me. I am NOT using poor judgement when I walk those streets I live there, and I have the right of way to walk (exercise) there without the fear of a threatening animal on my heels.

In my county the law states that a person CAN use lethal force(gun, cattle prod, knife, ect. ) if they are approached by a threatening dog, period.

The first thing a court here will ask is....did the owner maintain control of the dog at ALL TIMES? The answer is NO. Did the victim give the owners the consideration of a fair warning as to the threat of the animal to my person? Yes, MULTIPLE times....
Yet the owner failed to take the needed measures to OBEY and follow the laws of the county. It is not my job as the victim to inform the owners of their duties to obey the laws, it is for them to ALREADY know and understand, else they have no right to own such an animal.

I can promise you that the magistrate or judge would find the owners guilty of gross negligence and hopefully sentence them to prison time and damages to the victim. Maybe then they won't be so arrogant, obnoxious, and self entitled.

I hear you....and I hope it all works out for you without any serious escalation. It's a pity that some people are so discourteous as to allow for this to happen. I live in a neighborhood that has a very high percentage of rude scumbags....and I truly wish we could move (economy and other reasons force us to stay for a while longer). We've tried getting help from the local authorities for many different reasons including noise, trespassing, destruction of our property, witnessing a looting, mailbox destruction, drag racing on the street out front....etc. etc. Never does any good to call the police (takes over an hour or two to arrive). So yes, I understand your frustration and disgust.
Good luck....hope it ends well.

 

[TWG1572]

I'm going to throw my own personal experience in here, because the sad truth is that these people will never "get it". I had a similar situation that could have escalated very quickly, I prevented it from doing such, but the end result was that I was portrayed as the "bad, irresponsible" person and her lovely dog was a victim. She wasted no time in spreading this around the neighborhood either.

In my case, I regulary walked my dog at night and often took my 2 year old along in a stroller. My dog always walked on the street side of the stroller (on a leash), with the child to the house side of the sidewalk. The dog has been through obedience school, is well trained, obeys commands, etc. He is also a German Shephard, which becomes relevant at the end of the story.

I'm walking by a house and this large (50-60lb)dog comes tearing from the side yard, barking, growing, and charging right at me. My immediate reaction was to get between him and the stroller, which I did. When he got close enough, with no signs of stopping, I launched a kick at him. It didn't really connect hard, but I did make contact. At this point two things happened:

The lady came flying out of the house screaming at the top of her lungs about "how dare I kick her dog", calling me every swear word in the book, etc...

My dog was next to me the whole time this happened and was under control, not barking, etc - but when I launched the kick he went into full bore "guard" mode. So I now have 70 lbs of extremely [censored] off German Shephard on my hands, am being circled by this "precious" other dog, am trying to watch the baby stroller, and the whold time this lady is screaming at me. Finally, the other dog decided he was done with this and just wandered off (no help from the lady) and I got my dog calmed down again.

Now the lady switches her screaming to "those blank, blank, German Shephards", etc etc... I finally just responded with "my dog was under control and on a leash the whole time, how about yours" and walked off.

She then felt the need to do the round of the neighborhood over the next weeks talking about what a bad person I was, and how my dog should be put to sleep.

Looking back, I should have at least called the police and animal control and requested that her dog be taken in and evaluated. It was stupid I didn't. But she lived three houses down, I was trying to be neighborly, etc.

In retrospect, I should have reacted differently that day. Yes, I got between the stroller and the dog but I've got no chance of fighting off a large dog when push comes to shove. I think I could done a better job of keeping my child safe had I turned my dog loose, let the chips fall where they may in the ensuing dog fight, and just have high tailed it out of there with the stroller.

I guess my point is pretty much what you've said. These people are likely irrational, think their precious dogs can do no harm, and you are the bad guy. You already know this, it's just a sad commentary on our society today.

 

[antiqueshell]

Just an update...so I thought they were going to behave themselves....well not so.

Walking on my own street pretty close to my own home and lo and behold here comes the owner (who NEVER has ever walked this dog from my recollection in the 3 years they've had it, certainly NOT on this street) walking the problem dog on a leash along with his wife and her dog. As they walk towards me the man lets the leash out and the dog of course attempts to approach me. I'm pretty sure they were TRYING to provoke an issue...I calmly say "control your dog". This clown immediately goes into a name calling rage shouting that the animal is on a leash! (True, but he was deliberately allowing the dog to extend the leash ) He then starts the name calling and attempting to insult my manhood. I don't react except to again calmly state you still need to control your dog. Then his genius wife says, "why don't you call the cops?". LOL
(My guess is they have a "friend" on the staff of the local sheriff's dept.) I would be calling the state troopers anyhow and if that would be OK with them? Bet they wouldn't be so obnoxious if they knew that the troopers don't play favorites or have a stake in the local area ....I replied to the woman calmly ...." I don't bluff do you REALLY want me to make that call?" No reply. As they now walk off.

I don't know if I posted this previously but I have been walking these streets for about FOUR years now, with nary a problem and I was here BEFORE these idiots even had this dog by a couple of years. Sheesh.


It's just stunning to see the obnoxious behavior from people that, are educated, have everything they could want, and KNOW better. Total contempt for their neighbors. Even a couple of their immediate neighbors have commented on the dog and the owners.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
My dog doesn't need a leash. When I walk him he stays at my side,if I stop he sits and waits. Other people dogs will run up at him at which point I tell him to guard,which means attack. Other owner learn real fast to keep their dogs leashed and away from me or my dog.
My dog is purpose trained. Do not come into my yard unannounced,you will be bit. My dog will not jump my fence,he does as he is commanded to do by me.
Control. Why have an animal unless its for a purpose. I laugh at those toy purse dogs. They are a joke and barely a meal for mine.
Keep it close because if it comes up on me and mine in a threatening manner if my dog can't subdue it papa will.


I'm guessing you have a German or Belgian Shepherd? When I was a kid, my 120# GSD would walk beside me like that. Only dog I ever saw at the time that would do that. They are very intelligent and trainable dogs.