XR650L 3.9k mi; Honda HP4S 10w-30 1.9k mi

[RatherBeFishing]

I had an oil analysis done on my 2023 Honda xr650L and was a little shocked by the results. The aluminum, iron, tin, and copper were high. There were only about 3,900 miles on the bike and about 1900 miles on the oil when I tested.

Anyone have any input on these numbers? I’m wondering if it’s just breaking in still or if I should be worried.

thanks

 

[fantastic]

Probably break-in still
Edit: well, that might have me wondering. How's your driving style?

 

[RatherBeFishing]

I should’ve included that. I’d say ride it fairly hard.

And there have been a couple times on hot days in traffic where the oil got to about 270°

 

[Slick3914]

I’d be running Mobil 1 10W-40 Motorcycle oil if it were mine.

 

[RatherBeFishing]

I’d be running Mobil 1 10W-40 Motorcycle oil if it were mine.

Thanks. Just out of curiosity, why would you choose that oil?

 

[sw99]

The XR's like T6 5w40 also just FYI.

 

[Bonz]

Honda has spec'd all of their bikes for 10w30 in this day and age which is way too thin. Up until that point 10w40 was the specification.

M1 10w40 4T is an easy choice for me as well based on using it in my bikes. It holds grade for 5,000 mile oci's, has a really stout additive package. I don't have an air cooled thumper that holds 2 quarts with a 2000 mi oci recommendation, but if I did this would be my top oil of choice.

T6 5w40 has also been mentioned, I would only wonder with that large viscosity spread how much it shears down over 2,000 mi. Otherwise that could be good option.

M1 15w50 is worth a look as well.

Any oil besides 10w30 is going to be an upgrade in desirability in my estimation.

For once, I agree with everything Blackstone said. There's no fuel dilution, the viscosity is now a 20 weight as that engine historically stresses oil really hard and only holds 2 quarts.

I would not worry about the metal in the analysis at this relatively early stage in its life, those engines are generally long lived.
 

 

[sunruh]

1900mi on breakin oil? dude you should have dumped that at 500mi, then 1500mi and be on your 3rd oci

26 silver?

at $33 and ounce is it ok if i mine your motor?
or
once again the stoners are off smoking in the weeds

 

[RatherBeFishing]

1900mi on breakin oil? dude you should have dumped that at 500mi, then 1500mi and be on your 3rd oci

26 silver?

at $33 and ounce is it ok if i mine your motor?
or
once again the stoners are off smoking in the weeds

If you actually read the oil report is says the mileage on the bike is 3,878 and that the oil I had analyzed had 1,931 miles on it. Nowhere does it say how many oil changes I’ve done or whether or not I did the initial 600 mile oil change.

 

[sunruh]

If you actually read the oil report is says the mileage on the bike is 3,878 and that the oil I had analyzed had 1,931 miles on it. Nowhere does it say how many oil changes I’ve done or whether or not I did the initial 600 mile oil change.

that is my bad, you are very correct

now, how much silver does that motor have in it?

do you trust the stoners that your motor is shedding silver?

and if not...then what else in your report do you not trust?

 

[RatherBeFishing]

that is my bad, you are very correct

now, how much silver does that motor have in it?

do you trust the stoners that your motor is shedding silver?

and if not...then what else in your report do you not trust?

I don’t know how much silver is in it. I don’t have a reason not to trust Blackstone

 

[Ausfahrt]

M1 15w50 is worth a look as well.


 

This is what I'm running in my '08 XR650L and I am happy with it FWIW.

 

[Cujet]

The air cooled RFVC engines are well known for extreme oil temps and sometimes even annealing piston rings due to high piston and cylinder temps.

I'd run M1, 10W-40 motorcycle oil in that beast and nothing less robust. The M1 is a very shear resistant, high HTHS, high ZDDP oil. In fact one would have to look long and hard to find a 10W-40 that can outperform this particular M1. Match it, yes, Amsoil, Redline and a few others make products as good. None are better. It's that good, and it's what your bike really needs.

The other good option is M1, 15W-50.

 

[RatherBeFishing]

Thanks for the input everyone. I think I’ll switch to M1 10w40. Now I just have to find it near me. I’m not a huge fan of buying stuff online if I can help it

 

[kschachn]

Walmart has the Racing 4T I believe he’s referring to. Not just the regular M1 10W-40.

 

[We're Metals]

Wow yeah I wouldn't use 10w-30 in this engine. They suffer from high oil temps as others have said.

I'd recommend Rotella T5 myself. My 650R has been using it for 10 years now and still looks great inside. Its a stout 40 weight. Change it often.

M1 15w-50 (seen on the shelves at walmart as an automotive oil) is a great option as well. Your bike wont know the difference between a synthetic or non synthetic. I wouldn't get hung up on that. Motul is a Overkill ($$$) in this application.

This engine has been around since the dawn of time, 40w+ you're good to go.

 

[dnewton3]

I'd recommend Rotella T5 myself. My 650R has been using it for 10 years now and still looks great inside. Its a stout 40 weight. Change it often.

Just to be clear for others, T5 isn't a "grade" (40 weight). T5 is the product name for their semi-syn HDEO line of lubes. It comes in many different grades, which includes 10w-30 as well as 15w-40.
https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/pro...=L3NvcHVzL3JvdGVsbGEvbmV3c2xldHRlci9lbl91cw==


Interestingly, their T4 and T6 products in 15w-40 are actually JASO MA, MA2 recommended. But not the T5, for whatever that may be worth to those who concern themselves with the whole wet-clutch debate.

 

[Bonz]

I ran T5 15w40 when it first it came out. No issues in my 2001 ZRX1200 with fairly high output mods putting it at 145 horsepower and 87 lb/ft torque. The bike is at 81,000 mi and on the original clutch, I think it was around 50,000 miles when I ran the T5 15w40.

My feeling is it's important to say when pointing out an oil does not have a specific JASO rating/certification, that HDEO's have been used for hundreds of millions of miles in motorcycles and many of them don't have ratings. I can't recall a single problem posted on BITOG. Obviously, mechanical issues with a clutch not withstanding.

My feeling as well is posting with outdated information being shared as current gospel dealing with current questions could be scrutinized more closely for those that aren't able to pick out the wheat from the chaff with respect to oil knowledge and nomenclature. It happens frequently with cut and paste information that is misleading. Not necessarily in this thread but it's a tangent that fits with respect to being sure things are clear to all users.

 

[EvoMan]

My feeling is it's important to say when pointing out an oil does not have a specific JASO rating/certification, that HDEO's have been used for hundreds of millions of miles in motorcycles and many of them don't have ratings. I can't recall a single problem posted on BITOG. Obviously, mechanical issues with a clutch not withstanding.

In most case, unless an engine is torn down and inspected, you won’t know if there is any abnormal wear. Watch the video below on why you should not use diesel oil in a gas engine.

 

[Bonz]

I've seen the video, thanks for sharing though. Not going to deny what he says but real world experience with hundreds of millions of miles of diesel oil in gasoline engines and motorcycles kind of says otherwise.