Wyoming might be the home of the first sodium cooled nuclear plant in the U.S.

and what technology would that be?
Perhaps launching the age of home computers?
Early on, Paul Allen and I set the goal of a computer on every desk and in every home. It was a bold idea and a lot of people thought we were out of our minds to imagine it was possible.” Bill Gates.


Off the top of my head...
  • Information Technology.
  • Communication Technology.
  • Biotechnology.
  • Green and Clean Technology.
  • Manufacturing Technology.
  • Transportation Technology.
  • Aerospace Technology.
  • Artificial Intelligence.
 
Nuclear power is fission, not fusion.

Solar and nuclear power are two different things.

But you are right.
The sun's energy comes from a nuclear fusion process. Solar panels use the sun's energy to create electricity through photovoltaics. So yeah, I am using that big thermonuclear reactor in the sky...

No fusion reaction, no sunlight. No sunlight, no solar panel production.
 
Some things are just a bad idea and using sodium for a coolant is one of those. If you think lithium battery fires are hard to put out, you aint seen nothin yet. I would be very curious what type heat exchangers they plan to use that will never ever develop a crack or leak.

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Off the top of my head...
  • Information Technology.
  • Communication Technology.
  • Biotechnology.
  • Green and Clean Technology.
  • Manufacturing Technology.
  • Transportation Technology.
  • Aerospace Technology.
  • Artificial Intelligence.
None of which is "his technology" as you put it. If anything he might be coined as a pioneer in software standardization, or monopolization, either one. Everything else is investment power, nothing else.
No fusion reaction, no sunlight. No sunlight, no solar panel production.
You are right as I said before. But solar and nuclear are two completely different things. If you have solar system, you are not contributing to anything in the way of nuclear. You seem not to understand that. Fission and fusion are not the same, and the mode of power transformation are not the same. One uses light, and the other heat. One is largely mechanical, and the other is electrical.
 
None of which is "his technology" as you put it. If anything he might be coined as a pioneer in software standardization, or monopolization, either one. Everything else is investment power, nothing else.

You are right as I said before. But solar and nuclear are two completely different things. If you have solar system, you are not contributing to anything in the way of nuclear. You seem not to understand that. Fission and fusion are not the same, and the mode of power transformation are not the same. One uses light, and the other heat. One is largely mechanical, and the other is electrical.
Yes, Gates was, and is, a leading pioneer, and visionary, in today's computer technologies. Jobs was another.
I said I use the energy generated by the sun, not that my solar panels generate it. I never said fusion and fission were the same.

Oh yeah, you said "Nuclear power is fission, not fusion." Seems only one of us is right.
 
Interesting article about Bill Gates leading an effort to build the first U.S. sodium cooled nuclear power plant in Wyoming.
Looking forward to hearing @OVERKILL thoughts on this.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/wyoming-bill-gates-moves-ahead-183058312.html
GREAT post
The pop tarts who want to save the world will finally acknowledge the importance of nuclear energy.

Also I picked up something I bet no one else did ... hmmmm ... and who says producing H2 for fuel cell cars is an unattainable idea?
One thing for sure, it wont be a lithium battery, it might be another form of battery OR a fuel cell powered by H2

I saw this one part of the sentence just as an idea "Heat from advanced reactors could be used to produce hydrogen..."

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correct 😭

most importantly, i think, we agree that nuclear is the best option for energy in the future.
I never said that either. I said nuclear is part of the solution. I am not one of those people who believe there is only one path to solve a problem. For example, my solar project was pretty much a no brainier for me, but that does not mean it makes sense for everyone.
 
I never said that either. I said nuclear is part of the solution. I am not one of those people who believe there is only one path to solve a problem. For example, my solar project was pretty much a no brainier for me, but that does not mean it makes sense for everyone.
So you dont think that, nuclear is the best option?
 
So you dont think that, nuclear is the best option?
I think it is part of the solution. For example, it can take something like 12 hours or more for a nuclear plant to start up. There needs to be backup.

The best solution is a multi-faceted solution. I don't subscribe to "one size fits all". I also don't claim to be an expert in energy solutions; I most certainly don't have all the answers.
 
Conceptually, liquid metal cooled fast reactors are fantastic. Self-regulating, can be used as a breeder or burner, depending on configuration and fuel selection, and will shut themselves down in a LOCA (so no risk of meltdown, but of course sodium has other challenges). They also produce much higher temperatures that align with traditional fossil turbines, making them more thermally efficient for power production and a potential drop-in replacement at existing sites.

However, the US has VERY little experience designing and operating them, most of this experience is in Russia (the BN-600 being the most notable example) and France (Phoenix).

My position is thus hesitantly optimistic. I fully expect this project to go over time and over budget. If you look at Vogtle, the reactor design the West has the most experience with (PWR), and how much of a blowout it was on both of those fronts, it's effectively a guarantee that the same will happen here, and perhaps at an even grander scale.

That said, this isn't like fusion where it's always 10 years away. FBR's have been constructed and operated for decades, so this isn't hypothetical that it will work, there's plenty of evidence that shows that it does. The challenges will be economic operation, reliability and hazard shielding/management, which are quite different with this concept from traditional LWR's and HWR's.
 
Some things are just a bad idea and using sodium for a coolant is one of those. If you think lithium battery fires are hard to put out, you aint seen nothin yet. I would be very curious what type heat exchangers they plan to use that will never ever develop a crack or leak.

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Sodium-cooled fast reactors (SFRs) have several potential problems, including:
  • Safety
    Sodium can burn when exposed to air or water, and react explosively with water to produce hydrogen. Sodium leaks can also lead to toxic sodium-oxide aerosols. SFRs could also experience uncontrollable power increases that cause rapid core melting.
  • Reliability
    Keeping air away from the sodium coolant makes refueling and repairs more difficult and time-consuming than for water-cooled reactors.
  • Decommissioning
    Challenges include treating the coolant, activated corrosion products in the sodium, and the consequences of leakage during operation.
  • Uranium efficiency
    Some say that SFRs like the Natrium may be less uranium-efficient than other reactors and won't reduce the amount of waste that needs to be isolated in a geologic repository for a long time.
  • Corrosion
    Early SFRs built by France, Russia, and Japan have experienced corrosion and sodium leaks.

 
Some things are just a bad idea and using sodium for a coolant is one of those. If you think lithium battery fires are hard to put out, you aint seen nothin yet. I would be very curious what type heat exchangers they plan to use that will never ever develop a crack or leak.

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Not at all. The main cause of meltdowns and explosions is water and water pumps failing or being out of service. The sodium won't start to boil till it hits 1,600f and won't be hot enough to explode like water till it hits more like 2,500f. Sodium reactor cores can stay cool without pumps.
Water can easily cause steam explosions at 300f, not very hard to do when the fuel pellets in a reactor core are operating at over 4,000f.
Plus if something does go wrong just bring in a D11 dozer and burry the whole thing under a mountain of near by coal ash.
 
Radioactive waste from reactors:

Separate into small pieces, encase in glass spheres, and deposit to the bottom of the sea. It would last basically forever or at least until tech can come up with a better solution.
Conceptually, liquid metal cooled fast reactors are fantastic. Self-regulating, can be used as a breeder or burner, depending on configuration and fuel selection, and will shut themselves down in a LOCA (so no risk of meltdown, but of course sodium has other challenges). They also produce much higher temperatures that align with traditional fossil turbines, making them more thermally efficient for power production and a potential drop-in replacement at existing sites.

However, the US has VERY little experience designing and operating them, most of this experience is in Russia (the BN-600 being the most notable example) and France (Phoenix).

My position is thus hesitantly optimistic. I fully expect this project to go over time and over budget. If you look at Vogtle, the reactor design the West has the most experience with (PWR), and how much of a blowout it was on both of those fronts, it's effectively a guarantee that the same will happen here, and perhaps at an even grander scale.

That said, this isn't like fusion where it's always 10 years away. FBR's have been constructed and operated for decades, so this isn't hypothetical that it will work, there's plenty of evidence that shows that it does. The challenges will be economic operation, reliability and hazard shielding/management, which are quite different with this concept from traditional LWR's and HWR's.
So there is NO risk of meltdown? Seems a bit hard to believe.

Can water be used to cool if the NEVER thing happened? If not what would be used to cool\regulate?
 
Radioactive waste from reactors:

Separate into small pieces, encase in glass spheres, and deposit to the bottom of the sea. It would last basically forever or at least until tech can come up with a better solution.

So there is NO risk of meltdown? Seems a bit hard to believe.

Can water be used to cool if the NEVER thing happened? If not what would be used to cool\regulate?
There is a better solution. Recycling the spent fuel. Fuel reprocessing has been around since about mid 1940s. Then dispose of the unusable fission byproducts at the bottom of the ocean or in a deep salt mine.
Meltdowns aren't the hazard, explosions and fire are.
 
There is a better solution. Recycling the spent fuel. Fuel reprocessing has been around since about mid 1940s. Then dispose of the unusable fission byproducts at the bottom of the ocean or in a deep salt mine.
Meltdowns aren't the hazard, explosions and fire are.
Iirc, France does this a lot and has been at the forefront of it for decades. (Reusing spent fuel multiple times)
 
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