wow toyota sounds evil

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Originally Posted By: cchase
I want to know why when a user changes their screen name, it says "Formally" instead of what I assume should be "Formerly".

I caught that under overkill's name change too.
 
I not a toyota fanboy, but in term of evilness, toyota is nothing compared to some other companies. So, one person died at toyota many years ago and the family sued? Is that the best you can come up with? How about products made for USA companies in sweatshops for a change.

Riots, suicides, and other issues
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-575159...hone-factories/

Or this from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/27/foxconn-suicides-continue_n_591616.html#s94017

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Or some other assorted pictures with suicide nets:
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals

Maybe you have family members that had career-long union jobs. Getting that big pension and bennies in retirement. For the most part, those days are gone. And so are the companies that behaved that way. Why companies went off shore to survive. Can't compete. too costly. Wish it were different, but thats the way it is. A classic example is the US postal service. The majority of its gigantic billion dollar losses are retirement pensions. If it were not for the taxpayer, USPS would be long extinct. And thats the majority reason why GM went through a recent chapt 11 restructure (with our tax money).

In the good old days of Detroit, life was very similar to what what your describing. Everyone worked for GM, Ford, etc. Lived next to the plant, went to the same schools. Raised to work at the auto plant like their parents did. Everyone was in the UAW union. Paid their mandatory union dues. With that union due you got not being able to get fired for being a slacker, inflated salaries and benefits, retirement pension. But you had to do what your told, vote who your told to vote for by the union boss. The long term costs were devastating from a company perspective. Today many have no job, many living in poverty or welfare.

For now were are suffering the consequences of decades of entitlement in the workplace. While we may never see the conditions of the Japanese culture and Toyota, we will have to use something similar to compete.



Very astute post from someone who recognizes the true root causes involved!
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: cchase
I want to know why when a user changes their screen name, it says "Formally" instead of what I assume should be "Formerly".

I caught that under overkill's name change too.


I'm quite sure Bill did it on purpose, judging by the giant grin he put after he told me that he'd done it, and putting the word in quotations
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i dont think they are evil because one guy died. i think living in a city where your destiny is decided for you and you have no say , you are what you are told and that is that. what if someone does not want to be a toyota worker do they have a say in toyota city? it didnt sound like it. thats my issue with it. everyone human should have the right to do the career path they want. not be brainwashed from a young age that this job is what you have to do. i dont care where you live or how different their culture is it still seems wrong to me.
 
Originally Posted By: Dakota1820
i dont think they are evil because one guy died. i think living in a city where your destiny is decided for you and you have no say , you are what you are told and that is that. what if someone does not want to be a toyota worker do they have a say in toyota city? it didnt sound like it. thats my issue with it. everyone human should have the right to do the career path they want. not be brainwashed from a young age that this job is what you have to do. i dont care where you live or how different their culture is it still seems wrong to me.


Every culture has ways to brainwash children so they would be obedient productive adults. Whether that is school, religion, political indoctrination, or nationalism. Japan culture is quirky, no question about it, but still has more freedoms than many other countries.

This discussion amounts to xenophobia as far I can see.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Dakota1820
i dont think they are evil because one guy died. i think living in a city where your destiny is decided for you and you have no say , you are what you are told and that is that. what if someone does not want to be a toyota worker do they have a say in toyota city? it didnt sound like it. thats my issue with it. everyone human should have the right to do the career path they want. not be brainwashed from a young age that this job is what you have to do. i dont care where you live or how different their culture is it still seems wrong to me.


Every culture has ways to brainwash children so they would be obedient productive adults. Whether that is school, religion, political indoctrination, or nationalism. Japan culture is quirky, no question about it, but still has more freedoms than many other countries.

This discussion amounts to xenophobia as far I can see.




i am not afraid of different cultures. i am afraid of people losing their freedoms. if the people that work for these places are ok with it fine, but a lot aren't. when people are not happy there is a problem.
 
Dakota - Toyota workers didn't lose their freedom. They could quit at anytime, Japan is not communist forced labor. Want to get paid? Keep a job? You gotta do what the employer tells you to do. Same as here.

We know your studying to become a mechanic. Have to ask, have you thought this through? "Like working on cars" is one thing, being a mechanic in a small shop is something entirely different. Do you really think your going to "Yabba Dabba Doo" at 5:00 when a customer needs his car back tomorrow? You going to tell some huge burly mechanic with 20 years experience he's gotta finish, cause you wanna go home now?

Lets find out how evil Toyota is..Any mechanics reading this? What are the hours in a small shop? How hard is the work? Lifting things over OSHA's 75 lbs? Is it 120F in the garage in the summer? Is it freezing cold in the winter? Breathing carbon monoxide and splashing toxic chemicals all over yourself all day? Are coworkers angry with bad tempers? Please tell us about the working conditions a mechanic can expect starting off in a small shop.
 
toyota has a city and from the sounds of it they run the [censored] thing. t me that sounds like a limited amount of freedom.

i dont mind working. i feel like you aren't hearing what i am saying, yes if someone needs their car done i will do it if that is what the boss wants me to do. but 106 hours of overtime in a month is a lot. and that's not even my issue. my concern is they basically run this city around a corporation. like apple above people live where they work. i am sorry that's nuts. people have a right to work if they work hard people deserve a fair wage ect ect but making a city around the company is a little overboard IMO. i get to go to work as a mechanic and when its time to leave i can leave and go to a bar or a movie. these people live and breathe toyota.
 
Originally Posted By: Chevys_n_Hawgs
Talk about "wet behind the ears"..... Sheeeeeeesh!!



REALLY!?!?!?! how is it immature in the least bit to think that every employer everywhere should treat its employees well? that does not mean the employees shouldn't be expected to work hard. i applaud the Japanese for being dedicated and hard working but toyota's sole motto is use um up spit them out (thats what it sounds like) and they are all about being quicker and cheaper. which is fine to a point but eventually when your sole objective is to not spend as much money and make the product quicker and quicke eventually the products QUALITY is going to suffer.

Also there are good AMERICAN companies who don't have their people living in a city which they run, with every single part of life being about that company!

Its not about being lazy. Not all Americans are lazy i work very very hard. it has to do is my job doesn't run my life. i didn't go to a school owned by my employer who wrote the book on what you are suppose to be teaching in the school.

you can call me immature or inexperienced thats fine inexperienced is even true in some things. i do not know everything nor will i claim to. but i do understand that the way of life that i read about in that article is a little on the extreme side of things. do you guys even read the article??
 
These days, 40 percent of Toyota’s workers are on temporary contracts. They are barred from joining the official union and can easily be laid off. In Toyota City there is a large community of Brazilians, most of them Japanese-Brazilians, that supply cheap labor. They don’t work in the Toyota factories but are used by several Toyota suppliers. They mostly live separated from the rest of the town on in a sprawling housing complex called Homi-Dachi.


people gave walmart ten different kinds of [censored] for this exact thing but Toyota gets a pass why?


Toyota City, where many of Toyota’s employees live, features modern architecture and well-designed neighborhoods but lacks a culture, fun and individualism. There is little public transportation system—a decision that appears to have been purposely made to get people to buy Toyota cars—and the school calender fits Toyota’s production schedule. Workers say there is little after-work social life and week-on, week-off night shift disrupts sleeping patterns and family life.[Source: Times of London]
One retired worker who worked for Toyota for 43 years told the Times of London, “In 1959 the city literally became Toyota in name. And that is when Toyota corporate culture came to define the place. Nobody dares stand up. Outside the company there is nothing here to arouse any kind of passion...This city is a completely 100 percent corporate-controlled environment. There is no individualism, no ability to speak out, no democracy, just totalitarianism. It’s like North Korea.”


jeee this sounds like a GREAT place to live! am i missing something?
 
Your missing the fact they don't have to live there if they don't want to. They are as free as we are. If your determined to stay with American cars, I applaud you.. But don't make up reasons to justify it. If you said "I'm gonna buy an American car cause I'm an American dammit!" We would all be fine with that..Happy actually, who wouldn't like a loyal domestic buyer?
 
it has nothing to do with american cars or imports i dont like companies who are corrupt. now i realize finding a decent company is like finding a quick geo its not very common. it is scary to think they have a city sure you dont have to live there but they own a freaking city! just an example. if 90% of employers in the states paid 7.25 and ten % paid a great wage of 35 an hour. would you say well they dont have to work there they are free. yes they are free but if the majority of jobs pay 7.25 an hour the majority of people will be working for 7.25 an hour. is that fair? not really but hey people will do it because they almost have to if they want to survive. to me its scary to think corporations have cities. what happens when they more companies decide to do this. your freedoms will keep getting less free. but indirectly they are not saying you cant do this or that they are just making it harder. its like the idea of certain govt people wanting to ban guns well they obviously cannot get that to pass so lets make the ammo cost more and more. what good is a gun without ammo? not very useful. so sure they dont make you live there but i bet you they make it much more convenient to just live there.
 
I'll have to just agree with LeakySeals on what he's saying hope I don't get banned for a week from Bill.

But I'll squeak this one in (I know I can get in trouble so whatever) but the Global Economy is going to be the worst thing we ever did.

I'd take Fortress North America any day of the week rather than compete with people in Mexico who live in a hot climate and can live well off of 20$ a day USD.
 
I agree with Dakota on this one. While it isn't national fascism it appears that Toyota City is a form of a fascist fiefdom.

Also agree about "globalism", or NWO, it is a thinly veiled form of international fascism, nothing more, nothing less.

A SERIOUS THREAT TO INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, AND THE ABILITY FOR THE HUMAN BEING TO BE A, "FREEMAN".
 
Originally Posted By: Falken
I'll have to just agree with LeakySeals on what he's saying hope I don't get banned for a week from Bill.

But I'll squeak this one in (I know I can get in trouble so whatever) but the Global Economy is going to be the worst thing we ever did.

I'd take Fortress North America any day of the week rather than compete with people in Mexico who live in a hot climate and can live well off of 20$ a day USD.


Mexico is part of North America, no?
 
Originally Posted By: Chevys_n_Hawgs
Somebody drank too much grape koolaid.....



i am open to discussion can you tell me where i am wrong? i dont disagree with hard work i just think where we are headed like corporations owning a city worries me. even if you can choose to live there or not. why do they need one. i am very open to being educated. so please civilly and educationally enlighten me. i am not being sarcastic i am serious what am i missing? i am obviously missing something. so what is it.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I agree with Dakota on this one. While it isn't national fascism it appears that Toyota City is a form of a fascist fiefdom.

Also agree about "globalism", or NWO, it is a thinly veiled form of international fascism, nothing more, nothing less.

A SERIOUS THREAT TO INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, AND THE ABILITY FOR THE HUMAN BEING TO BE A, "FREEMAN".




Thats exactly what i am saying. i hate to bring this up but it reminds me of the agenda 21 thing in the sense of living in a apartment kind of thing and you work on site and we teach you what you want to know and thats it kind of thing. why cant toyota build good stuff and not try to influence its employees through their own little city and the city runs of the company. to me this is frightening. maybe i am missing something ?
 
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