3835 might be dry weight before fluids?
woulhow much dirt can i haul
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Yes that's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm thinking curb weight is with oil and antifreeze and all the necessary fluids but isn't gas or a person. A tank of gas weighs around 200 lbs
My dad had some springs installed to work with the leaf springs in the rear of his extended-cab 2001 Chevy S10.
Now, without a load in there it rides high in the back and gives semi-whip lash.
A truck bed FULL of wood now rests even with the cab.
PS: Yeah, overkill but if you do a LOT of hauling, it might work out for ya. Just keep it loaded down for a long while so the springs 'break' in.
Dad wants to remove the springs and have a rung or half a rung cut off.
Now, without a load in there it rides high in the back and gives semi-whip lash.
A truck bed FULL of wood now rests even with the cab.
PS: Yeah, overkill but if you do a LOT of hauling, it might work out for ya. Just keep it loaded down for a long while so the springs 'break' in.
Per the issue of why newer trucks do not typically have particularly higher payload capacities than older trucks...
There's no "easy" way for a manufacturer to substantially increase the load-carrying ability of springs without being detrimental to the ride characteristics. So, small gains may be possible over time but basically, you need more (or stiffer) leaf springs in order to carry more weight and since most 1/2 ton trucks carry air 99% of the time I don't think typical buyers would want the ride quality associated with that.
This is why newer trucks have increasingly impressive tow ratings and negligibly higher payload capacities. That said, carrying a yard of dirt in a 20 year old truck and a new truck will show you how far they've come in balancing ability with performance even if the payload capacity specification is not substantially better.
There's no "easy" way for a manufacturer to substantially increase the load-carrying ability of springs without being detrimental to the ride characteristics. So, small gains may be possible over time but basically, you need more (or stiffer) leaf springs in order to carry more weight and since most 1/2 ton trucks carry air 99% of the time I don't think typical buyers would want the ride quality associated with that.
This is why newer trucks have increasingly impressive tow ratings and negligibly higher payload capacities. That said, carrying a yard of dirt in a 20 year old truck and a new truck will show you how far they've come in balancing ability with performance even if the payload capacity specification is not substantially better.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the last part of that
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
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Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Yup. My old '88 F-250 would get the job done, but you knew you were doing the job. My buddy Jon (slammds15 on here) has an '05 F-250 and doing MORE work, it felt like it was barely breaking a sweat. Towing several tons of scrap metal in a trailer with a full bed of cast iron and it had excellent manners. Riding around in climate controlled comfort (Lariat) drinking Tim Hortons, listing to FFDP and the truck just did what you asked it to. Very different feeling.
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Yup. My old '88 F-250 would get the job done, but you knew you were doing the job. My buddy Jon (slammds15 on here) has an '05 F-250 and doing MORE work, it felt like it was barely breaking a sweat. Towing several tons of scrap metal in a trailer with a full bed of cast iron and it had excellent manners. Riding around in climate controlled comfort (Lariat) drinking Tim Hortons, listing to FFDP and the truck just did what you asked it to. Very different feeling.
Well, my preferences are set for 25 posts per page (I think), so I skipped pages 2-3 because of the Ford vs. GM nonsense.
I have hauled close to 1800-2000 pounds in my 2wd and didn't have a problem. I made sure the load was central over the axle and I took back streets to avoid stops/lights. Brake early. After considering it, I don't think I'd exceed 2000 pounds.
I have hauled close to 1800-2000 pounds in my 2wd and didn't have a problem. I made sure the load was central over the axle and I took back streets to avoid stops/lights. Brake early. After considering it, I don't think I'd exceed 2000 pounds.
Make two trips. Air up your tires to at/near sidewall max. Take plenty of notes. No need to kill your truck over a little pile of dirt.
I hauled (about) 1,350lbs of sheetrock home, 30 miles, in the back of our Windstar once.
Now, I'm not really sure how much that van is rated for, but I can tell you I won't do it again.
Stay safe!
Now, I'm not really sure how much that van is rated for, but I can tell you I won't do it again.
Stay safe!
I wouldn't worry about it. Here's my (previous) Sport Trac with a cuyd of organic topsoil. To be fair, I doubt it was a full cubic yard. The bucket of the loader was wider than my bed, so some went on the ground. It was still quite heavy. I drove about 7 mi, and normal speeds (mostly back roads). It took about 2 hrs to clean out my truck bed afterwards. I should have put a tarp down first. V8, 2wd, with max payload 1400 lbs. I miss this vehicle the most
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That's nowhere near a yard of soil.
Although to add, it also looks to be handling the weight well.
Overk1ll,
Chevy has had very weak frames since about 1973-2012??. THAT is not a secret. Even on their HD trucks.
The 15,300lbs you QUOTED for an 04 F150 is it's GROSS COMBINED WIEGHT= TRUCK & TRAILER. IF it's not, my Ranger had a !0,000lb PAYLOAD CAPACITY! LOL
DUSTY
Chevy has had very weak frames since about 1973-2012??. THAT is not a secret. Even on their HD trucks.
The 15,300lbs you QUOTED for an 04 F150 is it's GROSS COMBINED WIEGHT= TRUCK & TRAILER. IF it's not, my Ranger had a !0,000lb PAYLOAD CAPACITY! LOL
DUSTY
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Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Overk1ll,
Chevy has had very weak frames since about 1973-2012??. THAT is not a secret. Even on their HD trucks.
The 15,300lbs you QUOTED for an 04 F150 is it's GROSS COMBINED WIEGHT= TRUCK & TRAILER. IF it's not, my Ranger had a !0,000lb PAYLOAD CAPACITY! LOL
DUSTY
Correct. Please see this post:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2556811#Post2556811
Overk1ll,
Chevy has had very weak frames since about 1973-2012??. THAT is not a secret. Even on their HD trucks.
The 15,300lbs you QUOTED for an 04 F150 is it's GROSS COMBINED WIEGHT= TRUCK & TRAILER. IF it's not, my Ranger had a !0,000lb PAYLOAD CAPACITY! LOL
DUSTY
Correct. Please see this post:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2556811#Post2556811
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
I would say the biggest improvement in the last 30 years, across the board, Cars and Trucks has been Braking systems.
I well remember in 1980, buying a 3/4 ton truck and returning in to the dealer numerous times complaining about the brakes (rear wheel lock up and Fade with legal load)
I Well remember being told by the service manager "they All do that"
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
I would say the biggest improvement in the last 30 years, across the board, Cars and Trucks has been Braking systems.
I well remember in 1980, buying a 3/4 ton truck and returning in to the dealer numerous times complaining about the brakes (rear wheel lock up and Fade with legal load)
I Well remember being told by the service manager "they All do that"
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Yup. My old '88 F-250 would get the job done, but you knew you were doing the job. My buddy Jon (slammds15 on here) has an '05 F-250 and doing MORE work, it felt like it was barely breaking a sweat. Towing several tons of scrap metal in a trailer with a full bed of cast iron and it had excellent manners. Riding around in climate controlled comfort (Lariat) drinking Tim Hortons, listing to FFDP and the truck just did what you asked it to. Very different feeling.
If I remember correctly I had just under 3000lbs in the truck and 8300lbs on the trailer that day. glad you were there to help me unload lol. The most I've hauled was 3900lbs of auto cast in the bed and almost 10,000lbs on the trailer. It was too much weight in the truck. Happy I got away with it, but won't do it again. The big tires, helper springs and 2 extra leafs help, but if I had of blown a tire it would have been game over. In regards to the older vehicles... I had a '84 Dodge 3/4 ton, it worked well. As far as braking and handling, no comparison to my Superduty. Then again my Ford is 30+ years newer with giant brakes and sway bars.
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Yup. My old '88 F-250 would get the job done, but you knew you were doing the job. My buddy Jon (slammds15 on here) has an '05 F-250 and doing MORE work, it felt like it was barely breaking a sweat. Towing several tons of scrap metal in a trailer with a full bed of cast iron and it had excellent manners. Riding around in climate controlled comfort (Lariat) drinking Tim Hortons, listing to FFDP and the truck just did what you asked it to. Very different feeling.
If I remember correctly I had just under 3000lbs in the truck and 8300lbs on the trailer that day. glad you were there to help me unload lol. The most I've hauled was 3900lbs of auto cast in the bed and almost 10,000lbs on the trailer. It was too much weight in the truck. Happy I got away with it, but won't do it again. The big tires, helper springs and 2 extra leafs help, but if I had of blown a tire it would have been game over. In regards to the older vehicles... I had a '84 Dodge 3/4 ton, it worked well. As far as braking and handling, no comparison to my Superduty. Then again my Ford is 30+ years newer with giant brakes and sway bars.
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Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
I would say the biggest improvement in the last 30 years, across the board, Cars and Trucks has been Braking systems.
I well remember in 1980, buying a 3/4 ton truck and returning in to the dealer numerous times complaining about the brakes (rear wheel lock up and Fade with legal load)
I Well remember being told by the service manager "they All do that"
Oh yeah tell me about it. Modern 3/4 tons really have awesome brakes; I know a lot of guys who run fully loaded 2500HD's with utility bodies on them and they got 100k-120k miles before they even have to change the front pads.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: cchase
I've moved dirt and gravel in 20 year old trucks and it's an adventure to anticipate when you have to start braking, trying to avoid potholes that normally wouldn't matter. When I've done it in newer trucks with the same weight in the back and a "similar" payload capacity they handle the weight much better. I'm sure others on here can attest to the difference.
Oh yeah big time, my dad buys an identical F150 about every 10 years and his 07 shrugs off lumber loads that would have really been interesting in the 96.
The newer trucks have very good brakes, and more than enough power.
I would say the biggest improvement in the last 30 years, across the board, Cars and Trucks has been Braking systems.
I well remember in 1980, buying a 3/4 ton truck and returning in to the dealer numerous times complaining about the brakes (rear wheel lock up and Fade with legal load)
I Well remember being told by the service manager "they All do that"
Oh yeah tell me about it. Modern 3/4 tons really have awesome brakes; I know a lot of guys who run fully loaded 2500HD's with utility bodies on them and they got 100k-120k miles before they even have to change the front pads.
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