woulhow much dirt can i haul

[Zaedock]

I don't like these threads, because frankly if you have to ask, then you're not equipped to do the job safely (both your driving and the trucks capabilities). Regardless, your truck is a base model V6 2wd. It's a half ton. Put roughly a half ton O' dirt in the bed and see what happens. There are too many variables to make an accurate prediction beyond that. Wet dirt, dry dirt? Drop some in and see how it goes. Just keep in mind your W/T has a 10 bolt rear end. It's a C-clip with 28 spline axle shafts. It's very far from the strongest axle on Earth.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Overk1ll aren't leafs spread farther apart these days rob help ride comfort and doesn't that hurt payload. I get what your saying . Personally I'm more concerned with brakes than the frame I'm sure my frame can handle whatever i throw at it. Brakes are good but theyvall have there limits. Realistically shouldn't I be able to fill the bed completely up and be fine? And how it God earth do you start to bend a truck? Lol


Trucks are better designed these days, which helps ride comfort

And of course it also increases the payload capacity.

And water is heavy. That's how you bend a truck. That gen Chev wasn't known for having an ultra robust frame, and when you get over the payload capacity, fun things can happen. This was one of those fun things

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I don't like these threads, because frankly if you have to ask, then you're not equipped to do the job safely (both your driving and the trucks capabilities). Regardless, your truck is a base model V6 2wd. It's a half ton. Put roughly a half ton O' dirt in the bed and see what happens. There are too many variables to make an accurate prediction beyond that. Wet dirt, dry dirt? Drop some in and see how it goes. Just keep in mind your W/T has a 10 bolt rear end. It's a C-clip with 28 spline axle shafts. It's very far from the strongest axle on Earth.


Oh yeah...... I didn't even think about that one

 

[Donald]

If you look up the vehicle on KBB under used cars, they have a section with all the specs. Or look on the door. But as another poster mentioned, wet vs dry will be a big difference.

 

[oggb]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: JRed
Have hauled enough gravel in a friend's short-bed regular-cab Chevrolet that it would actually do wheelies if you gave it enough right foot. Not fun at all - scary as [censored] in fact.


If you want to have some real fun, try cases of water. We had a '99 1500 start bending in half loading the back of it with cases of water. Had to pull half of them back out and take the rest of the load in the F-250.


Well that's not very "like a rock"-ish.

 

[cchase]

Realistically, you aren't going to break that rear end with a bed full of anything.

As far as brakes, don't expect much. I have a 2 mile downhill with my boat in tow and don't have much braking by the end. The brakes on these trucks work well empty but don't work well beyond that.

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Well that's not very "like a rock"-ish.


They're half ton trucks, what do you want? They're all comparable when it comes to load limits and frame strength, all fanboy comments aside.

 

[hattaresguy]

As long as your not going to fast or to far you can load them right up. I put 2k-3k pounds in my half ton all the time, but its just for under 30mph runs a couple miles at most down side streets.

For interstate travel any distance I don't like going more than 1,200-1,500.

My 1/2 ton WT is actually rated at about 1,900 pounds.

I also have very good E rates tires on my truck so I don't have to worry about a tire failure. My truck also has SS front brakes on it so even loaded up I stop just fine.

 

[hattaresguy]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Yea but aren't some new truck rated at like 3000 lbs?


The new F150's are but they also have a much more beefy frame than the old Chevy's did.

Ford does a pretty nice 1/2 ton frame.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: cchase
Realistically, you aren't going to break that rear end with a bed full of anything.

As far as brakes, don't expect much. I have a 2 mile downhill with my boat in tow and don't have much braking by the end. The brakes on these trucks work well empty but don't work well beyond that.

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Well that's not very "like a rock"-ish.


They're half ton trucks, what do you want? They're all comparable when it comes to load limits and frame strength, all fanboy comments aside.


That's not accurate at all unless you add some context to it. Take an '04+ F-150 and the truck in question and start loading them with water jugs. Let me know which one has the frame buckle.

Even the older gen, say an '02 base F-150 was available with a 3,150lb payload capacity (7,700lb GVWR).

The '04+ were available in a 15,300lb GVWR rating. Want to take a stab at the payload capacity of that truck?

So no, they aren't all comparable. Add some context, and years, generations can be compared, yes. But to say "they are all comparable when it comes to load limits and frame strength" when the OP's truck has a 5,600lb GVWR and an '04+ F-150 has THREE TIMES THAT? No, I don't think that's comparable AT ALL.

 

[Dakota1820]

I'm not going to start a fanboy argument but Ford exxagerates there capacities. Like when I think motor tend did a test towing 10,000 lbs the Ford stopped the slowest and pulled the slowest but some how has the highest rating . Also comparing apples to apples the 87 -98 Chevys have better frames than the Ford that's for darn sure. I've had a few Fords there frame twist is bad. The Chevy is c channel with a boxed front portion. Also I've seen a 10 bolt do some impressive stuff and not break I'm not even worried about that. I only asked because idk the payload and I have no reason to over load it. Also as far as new trucks go my uncles 2010ford work truck is a joke the bed is so high it almost unuseable. The bumpers are a joke and the frame is fully boxed but the metal isn't that thick. It looks more like a Tonka truck. So say what you want but he hooked his truck to his old garage/barn to pull of down and the Ford wouldn't do it but my Chevy with 207,000 miles did it and he has a v8 so IMO the new fords aren't impressive. Numbers are nice to know but real world work is the proof. I've never hauled a lot in a Chevy. No more than a 1000 lbs and it did that fine as could be

 

[hattaresguy]

Nah I like GM products but get under a 2012 F150, its way better. They also have a larger cab, and more modern drive lines.

The Chevy 4.3 is an out of date boat anchor compared to the stock 300hp Ford V6.

I'm really not a fan of the NBS GM's, they made a few pretty big mistakes.

For starters you can't stand up full sheets of plywood in the beds anymore, they are 1/2 an inch to short. So [censored] GM now I have to cut $30 worth of plywood for a dump run? Seriously? They fit just dandy in my 2005.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I'm not going to start a fanboy argument but Ford exxagerates there capacities. Like when I think motor tend did a test towing 10,000 lbs the Ford stopped the slowest and pulled the slowest but some how has the highest rating . Also comparing apples to apples the 87 -98 Chevys have better frames than the Ford that's for darn sure. I've had a few Fords there frame twist is bad. The Chevy is c channel with a boxed front portion. Also I've seen a 10 bolt do some impressive stuff and not break I'm not even worried about that. I only asked because idk the payload and I have no reason to over load it. Also as far as new trucks go my uncles 2010ford work truck is a joke the bed is so high it almost unuseable. The bumpers are a joke and the frame is fully boxed but the metal isn't that thick. It looks more like a Tonka truck. So say what you want but he hooked his truck to his old garage/barn to pull of down and the Ford wouldn't do it but my Chevy with 207,000 miles did it and he has a v8 so IMO the new fords aren't impressive. Numbers are nice to know but real world work is the proof. I've never hauled a lot in a Chevy. No more than a 1000 lbs and it did that fine as could be


If you seriously believe that, come on over and I'll pull you around in my Expedition. It weighs 6,000lbs, has far better weight distribution, 4x4 and low range. If your uncle's 2010 with 3x the power of your tired 4.3L couldn't pull the barn down then he was doing something wrong, and it sure wasn't a problem with the truck.

Funny though that you start a statement with "I'm not going to start a fanboy argument" and then go off on a fanboy argument.

So a few things here:

- Ford doesn't exaggerate their capacities. If they did, they'd be in the same trouble as GM or Chrysler would be for doing the same thing.


- "Stopping the slowest" and "pulling the slowest" (in the context of using a motortrend article for the basis of ones argument....) means nothing if it is within safe limits and can do it day in and day out. You don't drag race a pick-up truck. If you think getting a load up to 70Mph faster automatically makes a truck better.... You don't know much about trucks.


- I've had a few Ford's. My family has had a few Ford's. We've been buying Ford vehicles since the Model T. I like to think I know a thing or two about Ford trucks. Am I a fanboy? Sure am. But then I didn't start my argument with "I'm not going to start a fanboy argument" now did I? However, your statement about frame twist is an absolute STEAMING pile. I would ROUTINELY put several pallets of shingles in the back of my '88 F-250 and it would take it like a champ with a tired old 300 I6 backed by a C6. That engine was no powerhouse, in fact it was far from it. But it got the job done. And THAT is what it is about, getting the job done.


So, I'm not sure what making fun of your Uncle's bumpers accomplishes. Box height? All new trucks sit high, from all the manufacturers. Sounds like you just want to rip on his truck to make you feel good about yours. You know, the one that you are obviously concerned enough about the payload capacity that you started a thread about it. I gave you my experience with regards to how overloading your generation of truck goes. Heck, I even dug up the spec's. If the fact that an F-150 has a higher payload capacity than your truck makes you feel bad, you need to re-evaluate your priorities. Because there are FAR more important things to be worried about....

Is your truck is SAFE enough to be carrying the weight? What shape are your brake lines in? How experienced are you with loaded driving? How much towing have you done? How good are your brakes themselves? Are you experienced with stopping heavy loads?

Lets ditch the "I'm not a fanboy" fanboy argument and get back to your REAL concerns. That is if you can swallow the fact that I'm right of course. The safety of yourself, your family and those on the road is of far greater importance than contrived barn pulling manhood stories and getting worked up over who has the greatest payload capacity. Trucks ALL have their pro's and cons and I'm quite sure (to borrow a line from morris) that I can tell you more problems with Ford trucks than you can tell me. So lets try to keep this civil, contain the chest thumping and keep the tape measure in our pocket.

 

[Dakota1820]

Overkill I had an88 f150 and that pos was tough motor wise but the frame would twist like crazy. I mean side to side. And his Ford has a 4.6 and its good motor but its not flightless by any means. It doesn't pull very well. And of course your expedition will pull my truck but will it outlast? I doubt it. I'm not stating any arguments I'm giving you my facts from my experience. Fords are not better trucks in my experience. The Chevy's were more reliable and worked better. And the fords new beds are ridiculous. They had complaints that's why they added that manly man step. . Your right all trucks sit to high these days they aren't made for work anymore. But throwing numbers aside we all know that trucks 20 yrs ago were built better . Trucks today are just gross to much plastic and aluminum. And my uncles truck tire started to slip and then it just sat there and grunted and wouldn't do anything. Mine spun spun some more and then the barn came down. Not scientific but you Ford people can keep your trucks because in the real world in my experience of what I've done and seen is Chevy's get it done. I'm not arguing you can like Ford all you want I'm telling you from my experience. And I dont want an argument I'm telling you how it is from my perspective. A few people on here have said it before anytime a Chevy guy says anything anti Ford you guys come out swinging. Moaning and whining. Your passionate about what you like thats fine. But I'm telling the facts from my prospective. Maybe its different in your neck of the woods. Seriously why is it OK for Ford guys to pick at gm and we are suppose to take it but a Chevy guy says that his old "tired" Chevy did something a new Ford truck couldn't do and you have a fit? Ford builds good trucks but Chevy builds better imo. And she is hardly tired. And if it is tired that makes the Ford look really bad. Since the "tired" Chevy did something a almost new Ford couldn't do. LOL. you have to admit the 4.6 isn't impressive and they put [censored] tires on the new trucks. Bottom line I prefer what I prefer. I stated the way I see things from my prospective that simple. And BTW each company has a certain way of rating There stuff and it was stated that the Ford do tend to have a more liberal sense of capacity. How else could a Ford with worse brakes and power pull more than the better equipped Chevy? Sure the Ford did it but it struggled more than the rest this was before the eco boost. The Ford flat didnt do as good. You can't deny that a truck with smaller brakes and lower engine power wont handle a large load as good as a truck with bigger brakes and more power. And to make it clear the comment about hooking up your expedition that was childish. I happen to think your pretty smart but stuff like that just sounds stupid. That's like racing a mustang and a Prius its to totally different things. And my uncles truck is nicer than mine and I'm not jealous or anything like that. I happen to dislike the mew fords in almost every respect. And I can tell you if i wanted a nice shiny ride to impress I'd pick his but if I wanted to go work my truck I'd take my Chevy hands down just my opinion don't get your panties in a bunch. And since I can't figure out my actual payload ill be taking a trip to the Chevy dealer Monday.

 

[Dakota1820]

Brakes and lines are new I've hauled trailers before. Probably 5000 Max. I can handle it no trouble I just wasn't certain on the payload . If the dealer can't give me an answer I'm just going to load it full. As long as it isn't wet. If it is ill judge accordingly. When the rear bumper drags ill know its good. Jk

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Overkill I had an88 f150 and that pos was tough motor wise but the frame would twist like crazy. I mean side to side. And his Ford has a 4.6 and its good motor but its not flightless by any means. It doesn't pull very well. And of course your expedition will pull my truck but will it outlast? I doubt it. I'm not stating any arguments I'm giving you my facts from my experience. Fords are not better trucks in my experience. The Chevy's were more reliable and worked better. And the fords new beds are ridiculous. They had complaints that's why they added that manly man step. . Your right all trucks sit to high these days they aren't made for work anymore. But throwing numbers aside we all know that trucks 20 yrs ago were built better . Trucks today are just gross to much plastic and aluminum. And my uncles truck tire started to slip and then it just sat there and grunted and wouldn't do anything. Mine spun spun some more and then the barn came down. Not scientific but you Ford people can keep your trucks because in the real world in my experience of what I've done and seen is Chevy's get it done. I'm not arguing you can like Ford all you want I'm telling you from my experience. And I dont want an argument I'm telling you how it is from my perspective. A few people on here have said it before anytime a Chevy guy says anything anti Ford you guys come out swinging. Moaning and whining. Your passionate about what you like thats fine. But I'm telling the facts from my prospective. Maybe its different in your neck of the woods. Seriously why is it OK for Ford guys to pick at gm and we are suppose to take it but a Chevy guy says that his old "tired" Chevy did something a new Ford truck couldn't do and you have a fit? Ford builds good trucks but Chevy builds better imo. And she is hardly tired. And if it is tired that makes the Ford look really bad. Since the "tired" Chevy did something a almost new Ford couldn't do. LOL. you have to admit the 4.6 isn't impressive and they put [censored] tires on the new trucks. Bottom line I prefer what I prefer. I stated the way I see things from my prospective that simple. And BTW each company has a certain way of rating There stuff and it was stated that the Ford do tend to have a more liberal sense of capacity. How else could a Ford with worse brakes and power pull more than the better equipped Chevy? Sure the Ford did it but it struggled more than the rest this was before the eco boost. The Ford flat didnt do as good. You can't deny that a truck with smaller brakes and lower engine power wont handle a large load as good as a truck with bigger brakes and more power. And to make it clear the comment about hooking up your expedition that was childish. I happen to think your pretty smart but stuff like that just sounds stupid. That's like racing a mustang and a Prius its to totally different things. And my uncles truck is nicer than mine and I'm not jealous or anything like that. I happen to dislike the mew fords in almost every respect. And I can tell you if i wanted a nice shiny ride to impress I'd pick his but if I wanted to go work my truck I'd take my Chevy hands down just my opinion don't get your panties in a bunch. And since I can't figure out my actual payload ill be taking a trip to the Chevy dealer Monday.


I posted the payload for your vehicle earlier.

So I guess your answer to whether we could carry this on without keeping it a fanboy argument is a "no" eh? Figured as much.

So now that you've posted your OPINIONS (which are not the same things as facts BTW, and I'm mentioning this because you keep calling them "facts" as if calling them that is going to magically make them so), and most of which I covered quite well in my previous post that you replied to, I just want to address one thing:

Outlast? Considering how many of the Modular engines make it to obscene mileage (LEO, taxi, limo service), and they don't eat intake gaskets..... My money is on my 5.4L. It might spit another plug or two before it gets there, but I'm sure it will outlast the rest of the Expedition. Assuming of course my wife doesn't write it off. Oh, and of course it doesn't have any sludge either

And, because you missed it when I posted your payload apparently, here are the spec's:

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Specifications
Exterior
Maximum towing capacity: 5000 lbs.
Maximum payload: 1736.0 lbs.
Length: 218.0 in.
Gross weight: 5600 lbs.
Curb weight: 4032 lbs.
Wheel base: 141.5 in.


Yeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwww hoss

Seriously though, please respect your vehicle and its capacities. You want it to MAKE you money, not COST you money, and you need it to be SAFE as well.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Brakes and lines are new I've hauled trailers before. Probably 5000 Max. I can handle it no trouble I just wasn't certain on the payload . If the dealer can't give me an answer I'm just going to load it full. As long as it isn't wet. If it is ill judge accordingly. When the rear bumper drags ill know its good. Jk

Good, just take it slow. Payload posted above. They are good little trucks, and I think the best looking trucks of that time period.

 

[Dakota1820]

I'm not sure your numbers are correct . I found a thing online saying curb weight was 3835 . I imagine your numbers are close though. Ill see if I can get gm to print me out a sheet on my truck I'd like to know gears ect. If you take care of a 4.3 it'll run forever minebhas 207 and it runs great even with the sludge. Which I'm blaming on the pcv and not the oil. Maybe some things I said aren't facts . But I do believe trucks of my time period Chevy had the best frames . And I do believe as a whole Chevy's last longer mind you any of them will last very well. You have to remember i grew up with a Ford family I realized really quick driving a Chevy would get me exiled from the heard. In my experience. And this is a fact I have had better luck with Chevy and they have been more capable in my experience. I will say this I believe old ford trucks were very tough and I'd be proud to own one. Nowa days I think they are all [censored]. Honestly the Dodge sounds the best 390 hp 20 MPG and its a nice truck. Chevy is in the position that Ford was In a couple years ago. Decent truck but least powerful. I honeslty believe they are all getting to ridiculous. Fully boxed frames? Dump trucks are c channel and they haul obviously better than a half ton. Engines ...I dont believe any of the power numbers are to the wheels but really why need 300+ hp they wouldn't but now a truck weighs 5000+. And why so freaking big. Because it looks good. Well I like being able to. Load up my truck with ease. I shouldnt need a step or a stool. They have all gone far away from their designed purpose. I think Ford more so because Ford used to be the work horse of trucks. They have lost that In some ways IMO. And yes I love my truck. I've been asked several times already why didn't you get a v8 my only answer this was a good deal and I don't need a v8 honestly I'm very happy with this truck has plenty of torque. It may not have numbers that the new ones do but I believe that it has everything it needs to get the job done and that's all that matters. I don't want to overload it that's why I asked for the payload. It probably could hold more but there's no sense in tearing it up. And last but not least how in the heck does a truck get configured into that particular shape? (Btw even though we disagree I enjoy your input more than most people on here) ....even if you are a [censored] Ford guy!

 

[Whizbanger]

Load it till the back is level with the front and go.

 

[97f150]

Wow, just wow.

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Overkill I had an88 f150 and that pos was tough motor wise but the frame would twist like crazy. I mean side to side. And his Ford has a 4.6 and its good motor but its not flightless by any means. It doesn't pull very well. And of course your expedition will pull my truck but will it outlast? I doubt it. I'm not stating any arguments I'm giving you my facts from my experience. Fords are not better trucks in my experience. The Chevy's were more reliable and worked better. And the fords new beds are ridiculous. They had complaints that's why they added that manly man step. . Your right all trucks sit to high these days they aren't made for work anymore. But throwing numbers aside we all know that trucks 20 yrs ago were built better . Trucks today are just gross to much plastic and aluminum. And my uncles truck tire started to slip and then it just sat there and grunted and wouldn't do anything. Mine spun spun some more and then the barn came down. Not scientific but you Ford people can keep your trucks because in the real world in my experience of what I've done and seen is Chevy's get it done. I'm not arguing you can like Ford all you want I'm telling you from my experience. And I dont want an argument I'm telling you how it is from my perspective. A few people on here have said it before anytime a Chevy guy says anything anti Ford you guys come out swinging. Moaning and whining. Your passionate about what you like thats fine. But I'm telling the facts from my prospective. Maybe its different in your neck of the woods. Seriously why is it OK for Ford guys to pick at gm and we are suppose to take it but a Chevy guy says that his old "tired" Chevy did something a new Ford truck couldn't do and you have a fit? Ford builds good trucks but Chevy builds better imo. And she is hardly tired. And if it is tired that makes the Ford look really bad. Since the "tired" Chevy did something a almost new Ford couldn't do. LOL. you have to admit the 4.6 isn't impressive and they put [censored] tires on the new trucks. Bottom line I prefer what I prefer. I stated the way I see things from my prospective that simple. And BTW each company has a certain way of rating There stuff and it was stated that the Ford do tend to have a more liberal sense of capacity. How else could a Ford with worse brakes and power pull more than the better equipped Chevy? Sure the Ford did it but it struggled more than the rest this was before the eco boost. The Ford flat didnt do as good. You can't deny that a truck with smaller brakes and lower engine power wont handle a large load as good as a truck with bigger brakes and more power. And to make it clear the comment about hooking up your expedition that was childish. I happen to think your pretty smart but stuff like that just sounds stupid. That's like racing a mustang and a Prius its to totally different things. And my uncles truck is nicer than mine and I'm not jealous or anything like that. I happen to dislike the mew fords in almost every respect. And I can tell you if i wanted a nice shiny ride to impress I'd pick his but if I wanted to go work my truck I'd take my Chevy hands down just my opinion don't get your panties in a bunch. And since I can't figure out my actual payload ill be taking a trip to the Chevy dealer Monday.


Dude.... I'm generally a GM guy and even I find your posts to be getting on the slightly ridiculous side. The payload capacity for your truck IS 1700-1800lb. That particular model is also NOT known for frame strength. The 4.3L V6 is NOT as long lasting or reliable in general as any Ford Modular V8.

By the way, both GM and Ford trucks are STILL better at hauling than ANY 90s pickup. Improvements in Frame design and metallurgy, powertrain, things like brakes and engine braking, better transmissions, and smarter suspension. Just because newer trucks are also more civilized and more comfortable, doesn't mean that they are any worse at their intended purpose, that is, hauling things. The F-150 still has 11,300lb towing capacity, with the 3.5TT V6.

Heck even our 03 Expedition when we had it. The 5.4L was rated for 8,900lb, we had the 4.6L, but the only differene between the two was engine power, and minor changes to the transmission. We towed 6,000lb worth of Jeep and house stuff, not to mnetion 4 people and the rest of the truck loaded down, and it did just fine.

This whole Chevy vs Ford argument here is getting to the point of ludicrous. Both make a good truck. End of story

Edit: By the way, if we take "Horsepower" to equate to "Towing capacity", by that metric alone, our Equinox is much, much more capable than either your Truck, and about as capable as overkills V8. I mean, it makes 264HP , so it must be good at towing right? Well, no. It's rated for 3,500lb, but it has a unibody chassis, brakes not designed towing more than that, it's AWD, and only 222lb/ft of torque. Power isn't everything.