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I stand by my fanboy comments. This is just bringing out the standard Ford vs. Chevy chaff that fills every thread of this nature.

Overkill, of course my implication was that contemporary generations of truck were being compared. I never meant to insinuate that a 1985 truck and a 2005 truck have similar capabilities.

As far as the 4.3 engine, it was not bad when it was used in these trucks initially. Frankly, I don't think it makes any sense to buy one of the newer trucks with one, but then again I don't think it makes sense that people bought 4.0 Mustangs either. They're both boat anchors and have been for the past 15 years of production and neither was bad at one time. They've just been passed by in terms of power density.

I do however firmly believe that if the frame of truck brand A failed, truck brand B would fail also or be on the verge of doing so.

Nick, your statement "The 4.3L V6 is NOT as long lasting or reliable in general as any Ford Modular V8" is without basis in fact and should not be stated as such. I think you have it right with "This whole Chevy vs Ford argument here is getting to the point of ludicrous. Both make a good truck. End of story".
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
I stand by my fanboy comments. This is just bringing out the standard Ford vs. Chevy chaff that fills every thread of this nature.

Overkill, of course my implication was that contemporary generations of truck were being compared. I never meant to insinuate that a 1985 truck and a 2005 truck have similar capabilities.

I do however firmly believe that if the frame of truck brand A failed, truck brand B would fail also or be on the verge of doing so.

Nick, your statement "The 4.3L V6 is NOT as long lasting or reliable in general as any Ford Modular V8" is without basis in fact and should not be stated as such. I think you have it right with "This whole Chevy vs Ford argument here is getting to the point of ludicrous. Both make a good truck. End of story".



As far the the 4.3L goes, I've known a few people from my old high school, and work, that had one. Every single one of them had starter failures, where the starter would spin, but not engage, but just grind. That's 6 different vehicles. I posted a thread about it a year or two ago. I've seen other problems with them as well. I firmly believe that the Ford 4.6L/5.4L 2V SOHC is one of the most long lasting, durable engines ever built. Not to say the 4.3L isn't, but I think it's more prone to nickel and diming disease.
 
Sorry but starter failures don't relate to a long-lasting engine.

I'm not arguing whether the Ford Modular is a long-lasting engine or not. I am certainly arguing the assertion that it is categorically longer-lasting and more reliable than any other given engine. Using the typical BITOG defense of cop cars and taxi cabs running x miles alone isn't enough in this case to make such an assertion.
 
For every anecdote that the Ford guys produce I can produce a Chevy to counter it.

Any high mileage vehicle can easily become a "nickel and dimer". Doesn't matter who made it, has a LOT more to do with who's fixing it!

Just as was quoted earlier: "This whole Chevy vs Ford argument here is getting to the point of ludicrous. Both make a good truck. End of story".
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
For every anecdote that the Ford guys produce I can produce a Chevy to counter it.

Any high mileage vehicle can easily become a "nickel and dimer". Doesn't matter who made it, has a LOT more to do with who's fixing it!

Just as was quoted earlier: "This whole Chevy vs Ford argument here is getting to the point of ludicrous. Both make a good truck. End of story".


For sure. I wasn't making my argument (or initially ANY argument really) about one brand being better than the other when I cited the payload capacities. They are what they are. And they certainly ALL have their issues
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wow guys...the fanboy [censored] is too much. If my quarter ton has the capability of doing a yard of dirt...your half ton can easily do a yard of dirt. Go haul your dirt.
 
I'd say that chevyboy14 has it all figured out... No sense in trying to offer any advice, in fact, I'm not sure why he asked here to begin with.
 
It ls not that I think new trucks can't do what they say. I just think that older trucks are easier to make work. Trucks now are ridiculously bulky and tall. I mean example my uncle's truck and mine both long bed. His is considerablly deeper!! I assumed that why it's rated to haul more because it is so much deeper. Also in regards to the modular motors. They are good engines. But had their issues intakes on the older ones. Spark plug issues and a couple years had timing chain recalls. They are very good but they are not better that the 4.3 IMO I believe there in the same leauge both will last forever if maintained my buddies dad has a 2000 work truck with the 4.3 last time I way it it had 260,000 still runs like new. Its used every day. I also disagree with it doesn't make sense to buy a 4.3 today. I understand what you mean. Itsbout of date and stuff. But a lot of construction companies love them because they're simple and reliable. The 4.3 to me is like America's engine alot of blue collar workers have them. Its in trucks that help build America. That's just my persepctive. This is how I see it and a lot may disagree that's OK. My number one thing in a truck is reliability. I don't care about if have high hp numbers and torque I need a truck that will get the job done every day for along time. Like the eco boost it sounds cool but I wouldn't buy one until I saw how reliable it was. It makes me nervous that it has turbos . Notbsaying it's not good its down right impressive but I want to see how of does everyday working. They both make great trucks Dodge does to and so does Toyota. It's all about what you like . Me personally I want to see a half ton truck with a diesel option. Make it get 30 MPG and pull a reasonable amount it can be done . Why they don't do it is beyond me. O and ill give you [censored] on having a Ford on occasion but its all in good fun. There's a lot of Ford's I like just not the looks of the trucks. I really liked the way the 2007 looked around that year anyway.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
I'm not sure your numbers are correct . I found a thing online saying curb weight was 3835 . I imagine your numbers are close though. Ill see if I can get gm to print me out a sheet on my truck I'd like to know gears ect. If you take care of a 4.3 it'll run forever minebhas 207 and it runs great even with the sludge. Which I'm blaming on the pcv and not the oil. Maybe some things I said aren't facts . But I do believe trucks of my time period Chevy had the best frames . And I do believe as a whole Chevy's last longer mind you any of them will last very well. You have to remember i grew up with a Ford family I realized really quick driving a Chevy would get me exiled from the heard. In my experience. And this is a fact I have had better luck with Chevy and they have been more capable in my experience. I will say this I believe old ford trucks were very tough and I'd be proud to own one. Nowa days I think they are all [censored]. Honestly the Dodge sounds the best 390 hp 20 MPG and its a nice truck. Chevy is in the position that Ford was In a couple years ago. Decent truck but least powerful. I honeslty believe they are all getting to ridiculous. Fully boxed frames? Dump trucks are c channel and they haul obviously better than a half ton. Engines ...I dont believe any of the power numbers are to the wheels but really why need 300+ hp they wouldn't but now a truck weighs 5000+. And why so freaking big. Because it looks good. Well I like being able to. Load up my truck with ease. I shouldnt need a step or a stool. They have all gone far away from their designed purpose. I think Ford more so because Ford used to be the work horse of trucks. They have lost that In some ways IMO. And yes I love my truck. I've been asked several times already why didn't you get a v8 my only answer this was a good deal and I don't need a v8 honestly I'm very happy with this truck has plenty of torque. It may not have numbers that the new ones do but I believe that it has everything it needs to get the job done and that's all that matters. I don't want to overload it that's why I asked for the payload. It probably could hold more but there's no sense in tearing it up. And last but not least how in the heck does a truck get configured into that particular shape? (Btw even though we disagree I enjoy your input more than most people on here) ....even if you are a [censored] Ford guy!
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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
It ls not that I think new trucks can't do what they say. I just think that older trucks are easier to make work. Trucks now are ridiculously bulky and tall. I mean example my uncle's truck and mine both long bed. His is considerablly deeper!! I assumed that why it's rated to haul more because it is so much deeper. Also in regards to the modular motors. They are good engines. But had their issues intakes on the older ones. Spark plug issues and a couple years had timing chain recalls. They are very good but they are not better that the 4.3 IMO I believe there in the same leauge both will last forever if maintained my buddies dad has a 2000 work truck with the 4.3 last time I way it it had 260,000 still runs like new. Its used every day. I also disagree with it doesn't make sense to buy a 4.3 today. I understand what you mean. Itsbout of date and stuff. But a lot of construction companies love them because they're simple and reliable. The 4.3 to me is like America's engine alot of blue collar workers have them. Its in trucks that help build America. That's just my persepctive. This is how I see it and a lot may disagree that's OK. My number one thing in a truck is reliability. I don't care about if have high hp numbers and torque I need a truck that will get the job done every day for along time. Like the eco boost it sounds cool but I wouldn't buy one until I saw how reliable it was. It makes me nervous that it has turbos . Notbsaying it's not good its down right impressive but I want to see how of does everyday working. They both make great trucks Dodge does to and so does Toyota. It's all about what you like . Me personally I want to see a half ton truck with a diesel option. Make it get 30 MPG and pull a reasonable amount it can be done . Why they don't do it is beyond me. O and ill give you [censored] on having a Ford on occasion but its all in good fun. There's a lot of Ford's I like just not the looks of the trucks. I really liked the way the 2007 looked around that year anyway.


could you start practicing some punctuation(paragraphs etc) if you are going to post bricks like that...get in practice for college or something.

the big turd blobs of text are hard to read. I'd offer my 2cents, but you seem to have it figured out
before you post your daily 5 threads so I'll pass on this one.
 
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I'm on a cell phone its an android but it doesn't do real well on forums. It gets confused. As much as I'd like to use punctuation when you type a lot its impossible the cursor wont go where you want ect:(
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
It ls not that I think new trucks can't do what they say. I just think that older trucks are easier to make work. Trucks now are ridiculously bulky and tall. I mean example my uncle's truck and mine both long bed. His is considerablly deeper!! I assumed that why it's rated to haul more because it is so much deeper.


If your truck has a GVWR of 5,600lbs and your uncles has the 15,300lb GVWR package, rest assured there is a heck of a lot more than the depth of the bed going on to make up that 10,000lb difference.
 
Hold on a minute. A lot of numbers are being thrown around here, and some of them aren't right.

A 1992 C1500 curb weight is right about 4200 lbs, might be a little lighter with the 4.3 engine.

The GVWR should be 6100 or perhaps slightly higher.

There is no way the GVWR of any F-150 is 15,300. I can believe the GCWR might be that, but no way on GVWR. So you aren't comparing apples to apples.

EDIT: Just checked, Ford says 8200 is maximum for a 2012 F-150 in "heavy duty" configuration.
 
Seriously though what is so much better? The frame is fully boxed other than that. Maybe brakes are bigger? I'm not sure. It has less leafs and street tires. I don't see what makes these new trucks better. And are those numbers right? Dont seem right but they could be
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
Seriously though what is so much better? The frame is fully boxed other than that. Maybe brakes are bigger? I'm not sure. It has less leafs and street tires. I don't see what makes these new trucks better. And are those numbers right? Dont seem right but they could be


See my edit for more information. What numbers do you doubt?
 
A lot of numbers being thrown around without a lot of context.

In general, a 1/2 ton truck is rated for around 1700-1800 pounds of payload, which includes the weight of the driver. Without a specialty package, such as a heavy half ton, 7700 packge, etc... thats the norm. Given the OP's truck, I'd guess we are not talking a heavy payload equipped truck.

That equates to a safe payload of about a 1/2 yard for most dirt. More than that, and you exceed the rated payload. That being said, if you have a short distance, non-freeway, etc... to go, a yard can be done.

Anything more, and you need a bigger truck.

The fanboy garbage is nonsense. All the big three make and have made decent, capable trucks. There is no answer to which one is better. They all have their quirks.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Hold on a minute. A lot of numbers are being thrown around here, and some of them aren't right.

A 1992 C1500 curb weight is right about 4200 lbs, might be a little lighter with the 4.3 engine.

The GVWR should be 6100 or perhaps slightly higher.

There is no way the GVWR of any F-150 is 15,300. I can believe the GCWR might be that, but no way on GVWR. So you aren't comparing apples to apples.

EDIT: Just checked, Ford says 8200 is maximum for a 2012 F-150 in "heavy duty" configuration.


Yes, I apologize, that was my mistake. The '04+ F-150 with the Payload package has a GCWR of 15,300lbs and an 8,200lb GVWR. Payload is 3,020lbs.
 
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