Originally Posted By: Steve S
where will the electricity come from to charge them?
the electricity fairy!
where will the electricity come from to charge them?
the electricity fairy!
would you welcome a cheaper Chinese electric Volt?
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Id buy it as a DD.
well,here is how i fell on the matter.......
If you buy a made in China car you will be denying the big cash bonus to the G.M. workers so pay the higher G.M. prices
I bet if this forum had been around 40-50 years ago, all those who are saying "heck no" to this car would have said the same thing about Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Nissan/Datsun.
Here's what I take from the article: "All of the problems are fixable without adding a lot of cost. "
Who knows where this will lead.
Here's what I take from the article: "All of the problems are fixable without adding a lot of cost. "
Who knows where this will lead.
Would I welcome a Chinese "Volt"? If it meets our standards, is safe and reliable, I absolutely would. The competition will only make other manufacturers better.
Would I own one?
Doubtful, very doubtful. But then I said the same thing about Hyundai and/or Kia 15 years ago.
Would I own one?
Doubtful, very doubtful. But then I said the same thing about Hyundai and/or Kia 15 years ago.
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More than likely, NO. However, even if I would, definitely NOT for $20K considering where it comes from...
Originally Posted By: Jeepster_nut
It reminds me of this car:
http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/index.html
Esp. the dashboard in the picture from the OP's link
, I know, but that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. That must have been a fun week at the ad agency.
It reminds me of this car:
http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/index.html
Esp. the dashboard in the picture from the OP's link
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
Not so sure about that. The public would see the crash tests first...
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
Not so sure about that. The public would see the crash tests first...
That won't be any real roadblock. The car will have to pass crash testing standards to be sold in the US anyway. Where it'd probably do the worse is in side impact. I'm thinking a lot of imports have sold well without having anything near a 5 star crash test rating.
In "normal" driving, it seems to do better than the Volt:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/01/la-public-housing-makes-auto-journalism-history/
“If the battery is less than 25 percent [state of charge], the vehicle automatically goes from electric to H.E.V., which is the gasoline,” Bacierto said in an exclusive interview with PluginCars.com. “In that situation, it’s a different sound.” He described it as louder, more like a normal car. “It doesn’t bother me.” Bacierto added that the acceleration picks up in H.E.V. mode. “If you are going 55 miles per hour, you see 65 to 75 miles per hour [after it switches].” He said the switchover happened after 50 miles of driving on a full charge. Bacierto said the dashboard shows battery state of charge on a percentage basis—one of the metrics he is logging, in addition to miles driven, charge times, and amount of gasoline consumed.
the overall driving experience as “smooth” and “not too fast, not too slow,” and compared the styling of the BYD F3DM to a 1980s Toyota Corolla. He said the charging process was easy. HACLA is not installing special charging equipment, but instead is using standard 220-volt outlets…
“With the Prius, I was filling up every two weeks,” Bacierto said. “The BYD car had a full tank in the middle of December. Yesterday, it’s a half tank. I haven’t put in gas yet.”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/01/la-public-housing-makes-auto-journalism-history/
“If the battery is less than 25 percent [state of charge], the vehicle automatically goes from electric to H.E.V., which is the gasoline,” Bacierto said in an exclusive interview with PluginCars.com. “In that situation, it’s a different sound.” He described it as louder, more like a normal car. “It doesn’t bother me.” Bacierto added that the acceleration picks up in H.E.V. mode. “If you are going 55 miles per hour, you see 65 to 75 miles per hour [after it switches].” He said the switchover happened after 50 miles of driving on a full charge. Bacierto said the dashboard shows battery state of charge on a percentage basis—one of the metrics he is logging, in addition to miles driven, charge times, and amount of gasoline consumed.
the overall driving experience as “smooth” and “not too fast, not too slow,” and compared the styling of the BYD F3DM to a 1980s Toyota Corolla. He said the charging process was easy. HACLA is not installing special charging equipment, but instead is using standard 220-volt outlets…
“With the Prius, I was filling up every two weeks,” Bacierto said. “The BYD car had a full tank in the middle of December. Yesterday, it’s a half tank. I haven’t put in gas yet.”
The more competition, the better. Let's face it, the domestic companies didn't get their act together until they faced competition from Japanese and Euro brands in 80s and 90s. The auto industry as a whole has higher quality products today and I partly attribute that to the entry of brands like Honda into the US market.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
When it comes to large purchases, there's more to the consumer's decision than just price. It isn't enough for the Chinese to underprice their cars by a few dollars to generate lots of sales and enough profits to stay afloat. Why isn't Kia outselling Honda and Toyota? Kias are cheaper. Obviously the consumer cares about more than just price. The automotive industry is a very tough business to get into. The history of the industry is littered with failed companies and failed products. Don't automatically assume some new Chinese company will be a success. Odds are actually stacked against them not in favor of them
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
When it comes to large purchases, there's more to the consumer's decision than just price. It isn't enough for the Chinese to underprice their cars by a few dollars to generate lots of sales and enough profits to stay afloat. Why isn't Kia outselling Honda and Toyota? Kias are cheaper. Obviously the consumer cares about more than just price. The automotive industry is a very tough business to get into. The history of the industry is littered with failed companies and failed products. Don't automatically assume some new Chinese company will be a success. Odds are actually stacked against them not in favor of them
Originally Posted By: tonycarguy
The automotive industry is a very tough business to get into. The history of the industry is littered with failed companies and failed products. Don't automatically assume some new Chinese company will be a success. Odds are actually stacked against them not in favor of them
True. Mahindra was very close to selling a small diesel pickup here, they even got EPA approval and everything.
The dealer network/ importer had a spat and now the future looks bleak. Remember, the importer gets to deal with warranty issues. If Bricklin doesn't want any part of this car (and he brought us the YUGO!), that should say something to others. Look, their US headquarters are a used car lot!!!!
The automotive industry is a very tough business to get into. The history of the industry is littered with failed companies and failed products. Don't automatically assume some new Chinese company will be a success. Odds are actually stacked against them not in favor of them
True. Mahindra was very close to selling a small diesel pickup here, they even got EPA approval and everything.
The dealer network/ importer had a spat and now the future looks bleak. Remember, the importer gets to deal with warranty issues. If Bricklin doesn't want any part of this car (and he brought us the YUGO!), that should say something to others. Look, their US headquarters are a used car lot!!!!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
Agree. No foreign (esp Chinese)cars for me.
I believe this is the future, Chinese companies selling Chinese made cars here. The media won't take long to convince everyone just like they did first with Japanese cars then Korean cars that Chinese cars are the best thing since sliced bread even though none of it is necesarily true or based in facts. And as long as these Chinese cars are priced a few dollars less they will sell here. Maybe China will even set up a token US assembly plant with tax breaks as a mostly publicity stunt like the other asian automaker have. Monkey see monkey do I guess.
Agree. No foreign (esp Chinese)cars for me.
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