Would you rather see Wind Turbines or solar farms?

Either or doesn’t bother me as I find them interesting, but if these greenies actually believed what they preached, they’d see the wildlife hazards from both. They’re bird slayers.

I agree with the overkill solution.. it just isn’t about reliable (and plentiful) energy. It’s about renewables and all that entails..
 
Astro14 said:
That was already true with nuclear. But the lawsuits and constructions delays caused the price of construction to go up by 10 or 20 times estimates.

Accordingly, they’re still cheapest, but not quite free.
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Project cost estimates followed by execution certainty still plagues the industry …
My area has a pending project expansion that was handed an NRC permit - yet can’t gather funding …
 
dlundblad said:
Either or doesn’t bother me as I find them interesting, but if these greenies actually believed what they preached, they’d see the wildlife hazards from both. They’re bird slayers.

I agree with the overkill solution.. it just isn’t about reliable (and plentiful) energy. It’s about renewables and all that entails..
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Perhaps investors expect faster ROCE … and if so … tough hill to climb yet still needs climbing …
 
Solar and wind installations are negative factors for where they are installed, both destroy the local fauna & habitat in their own ways. People who chose to live away from cities pay the price even though the overwhelming majority of the energy gets sent to cities. I know because our area has had over 180 wind turbines and 4,000 acres of fertile farmland turned into a solar farm in the last 3 years. Exactly zero of that energy is used where it is generated.

If we’re doing anything, I’m down with nuclear generation & running them WFO and using the excess electricity to split water into hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles. We can always use SpaceX to load up the nuclear waste & send rockets on an outbound path from our solar system. Problem solved!
 
See as in want to see them on the grid, or right in front of your house?

Personally I don't mind ugly houses with roof top solars or wind turbines in landscapes but I'm sure it will impact property value a bit.
 
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Methane gas from anaerobic digestion of sewage.
Feed gas into boiler,
feed the combustion byproduct, and sewage bacteria into an algae farm,
squeeze the algae, diesel fuel or butanol, 95% gasoline…
 
Trashman said:
Maybe I'm the only one, but I think wind turbines are pretty creepy at night. I'm with @PimTac , the cities are already filthy, and those are generally the ones demanding these things, so they can have them 😉
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u know what comes to mind from your comment : They sure could plant a bunch of rows of solar panels on top of some buildings. I am sure they would not want to place anything on top of high risers but there are many lower buildings they could use the spaces for panels.
 
If I had to choose it would be solar.

Windfarms kill too many birds.

Solar looks horrible as well however new techniques are being formulated to significantly shrink the footprint. Think vertical placement.

OT but in an ideal world I'd wish every home had a small self-regulating nuke about the size clothes washer and you could take it with you. Now that would be freedom.
 
Coal fired power plants with the coal miners back to work, coke plants and the steel mills of Pittsburgh and Allentown turning out the best high carbon steel in the world, and diesel trucks and diesel/electric trains delivering the finished products.

All improvement requires change but not all change brings improvement. We didn't start this fire and we won't extinguish it by blowing on it.
 
BMWTurboDzl said:
Windfarms kill too many birds.
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While I am sure we have all seen a picture of a beautiful, rare bird sitting at the base of a wind turbine, is this really a logical answer?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cat...ut 234,000,total bird population, since 1970.
  • Wind turbines kill about 234,000 birds a year, whereas cats kill 2.4 billion.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/05/29/bird-deaths-car-crashes/9623931/
A new study shows that crashes with cars and trucks kill as many as 340 million birds on U.S. roads every year — a much higher toll than bird deaths from many other human activities.


I would say wind farms in places they make sense focusing on hard to farm/infertile areas
Followed by solar on top of urban areas - not only making electricity, but cooling the city at the same time
Finally, all backed and primary source being Nuclear
 
DriveHard said:
While I am sure we have all seen a picture of a beautiful, rare bird sitting at the base of a wind turbine, is this really a logical answer?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cat...ut 234,000,total bird population, since 1970.
  • Wind turbines kill about 234,000 birds a year, whereas cats kill 2.4 billion.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/05/29/bird-deaths-car-crashes/9623931/
A new study shows that crashes with cars and trucks kill as many as 340 million birds on U.S. roads every year — a much higher toll than bird deaths from many other human activities.


I would say wind farms in places they make sense focusing on hard to farm/infertile areas
Followed by solar on top of urban areas - not only making electricity, but cooling the city at the same time
Finally, all backed and primary source being Nuclear
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Don‘t they have to sign off on bald eagles - not sure about golden eagles …
Not sure cats try their luck with large birds …
 
4WD said:
Don‘t they have to sign off on bald eagles - not sure about golden eagles …
Not sure cats try their luck with large birds …
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I don't know what you mean about "sign off" on a specific bird species.

Cats will take down anything they can...but they aren't dumb...I will post a quick story about our cat in the woods when I have more time.
 
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