WM/SuperTech's use of CITGO sits poorly w/me

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Originally Posted By: gman2304
A couple facts...The average income in Venezuela is $4,760 US dollars a year. 80% of Venezuelans live below the poverty line.


I can buy your other arguments about Venezuela or Hugo, but outside of the US, $4760 USD / year is much higher than some other oil producing nations and there are places with more than 80% of their citizens live below the poverty line.

I don't think you'll find too many rich oil producing nations that are not corrupted in Africa, Middle East, and Central Asia.
 
Thank you for your first person anecdote, OP.

It's refreshingly different from the Chavez stuff that normally pops up, and later popped up here.
 
How did Cities Service/Citgo get sold off to Venezuela in the first place? Sorta like SOPUS and Royal Dutch Shell.Americans own nothing anymore.And these brands used to be as American as apple pie.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
I have no vendetta towards WM and encourage those that purchase their oil there, to continue doing so, I just cannot.

In the end, we have to make our decisions and go with them. I've got concerns about our retailers up here, and each of the oil companies has done one thing or another over the years to annoy me.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I remember that several years ago that Citgo donated LOTS of
home heating oil to needy families in the USA and did not make a publicity stunt of it, which is RARE in business today, Chavez was the one that prompted it as well.

That is a good deed and I will make an effort to use Citgo products whenever possible.


It was a publicity stunt on the radio by us. The commercials talked about Citgo and the good people of Venezuela helping out needy Americans who couldnt get help. That may be true, but all Im saying is that they DID try to turn it into a publicity stunt...


But back on track to the OP's discussion. And it really is a buying process disucssion of how W-M stocks stuff. Were not going to talk about Venezuelan wages or what its like in that country. That info can be found elsewhere and people can research it on other sites to help make their buying decisions. The OP is asking specifically about how WM works their supply and demand in terms of choosing and supporting vendors (my read on the intent of the question). So let's focus upon that.

No more flying off the handle on unrelated discussions.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
and in others, [Walmart} Ive seen next to nothing good.
Then you must have been in my local store...it has the WORST oil section. Good thing all I ever buy there is PP and MC...and a little QSUD for good measure.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
...I don't think you'll find too many rich oil producing nations that are not corrupted in Africa, Middle East, and Central Asia...

Agreed. From the well documented Saudi human rights violations to the atrocities in oil rich African nations, the list is long and distinguished. But WM is an easy target for the haters, and obvious to me at least that's what's being encouraged here by some. So simple solution for the OP, shop elsewhere.

That said, how this thread is not locked with one member clearly threatening another is beyond me. This thread went off the rails long ago and more importantly can't see how it fits with Helen's vision of a family friendly site. Hard to comprehend.

EDIT. I see the threatening posts have now been deleted from this thread, so I guess the WM bash fest can continue.
 
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Originally Posted By: sayjac
But WM is an easy target for the haters, and obvious to me at least that's what's being encouraged here by some. So simple solution for the OP, shop elsewhere.


WM has little to do with it in terms of "hating", if you would read the OP. Most big businesses have multiple vendors and that's nothing new. Here one of the vendors is a business that the OP is not comfortable with. How that's WM bashing is beyond me.

And the OP is free to not buy from them as his choice due to their stocking decisions. I dont think him buying WPP ST has anything to do with it, and he himself talked about NOT shopping there in a very non-offensive manner. So refrain from spooling this in a direction it need not go.

The other bad actors have been removed so that this can be discussed in a specific manner of if WPP influences the sale of Citgo or not. Valid point and discussion. Everybody can vote with their wallet and look into the other aspects of the OP's choice on other sites if they choose. Those who dont care need not take part in this thread. Those who do, can discuss so long as it doesnt turn into attacks or arguments.
 
I'm going to move to Montana and start up a company that makes straw containers.

I'm going to call it Helena Handbasket.
Then when people go to shop there, they'll say "I'm going to Helena Handbasket".
That's where this thread went long ago.
Can't somebody answer the OP's simple question?
I would if I had the correct information.
 
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
My grandparents lives were turned upside down during WWII. I still buy GC.

I, and others respect your position on not wanting to buy oil from Citgo, but politics doesn't belong in the oil forum....

Well said and agreed.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
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Can't somebody answer the OP's simple question?
I would if I had the correct information.


Exactly.

Originally Posted By: wemay
I began to get an uneasy feeling knowing that WM/ST also uses CITGO derived oils. Even though the bottles I purchased say WPP, I felt like a hypocrite knowing in some regions, CITGO is the blender.


Not truly a question but certainly a valid discussion point. As I said earlier, I highly doubt that in day-to-day operations the selection of one variant from one locality versus the Citgo variant from another locality has any influence on one another. Only perhaps at the time of renegotiation of supplier contracts if it all. But given that I don't have anything to do with Walmart supplying I couldn't say. There are some others who have actually had positions doing such jobs, and have posted insight on the forum before. Hopefully they will chime in.
 
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Do you have any idea as to how many people that CITGO employs in the US...? How about how many people that they employ in their US headquarters in Houston, TX?

Hugo Chavez is dead, and has been for some time now. Let it go.


+1.
 
The older I get the more I realize how little I know about the source of anything. PC investing and purchasing is just about impossible today. Where it be oil or anything else I look at cost and how it meets my needs/wants today and little else.
 
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I began to get an uneasy feeling knowing that WM/ST also uses CITGO derived oils
Couldn't any oil you buy be Citgo derived? It's a commodity. The only way to not help Citgo is to stop buying any petroleum products.

I pretty much use Citgo gas exclusively. Not because I like Citgo but because I like the local guys that own the store and not buying there won't hurt Citgo at all. They were BP branded during the spill and those foolish boycotts.
 
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The consumer is placed in a catch 22. If you need to change your oil (on a budget) but want to support small business, you simply can't. Mom & Pop sell a quart of Pennzoil conventional for $7 a quart. You can pick up a 5qt jug at Walmart for $16.xx. So, what do you do?
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Originally Posted By: gman2304
Chavez did give heating oil away a few years ago when he and Bush were sparring. It was for political propaganda and it was all over the news. And it seems to have worked... on at least one person.


Just to touch on the Citizens Energy program, I recommend you guys check out Joe-4-oil and read into it. It's much more in depth than simply "working with Chavez". Joe Kennedy has done an outstanding job helping Americans since 1979.
Sometimes I feel like the only Republican in Mass, but the work that Joe has done to help people has no political boundaries. We need more of that now than ever.
 
I only buy oil that comes from planet earth. I refuse to drive Fords since they came out with the Vulcan engine. I simply won't buy any automotive products made by extraterrestrials no matter how logical it seems.
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Do you have any idea as to how many people that CITGO employs in the US...? How about how many people that they employ in their US headquarters in Houston, TX?

Hugo Chavez is dead, and has been for some time now. Let it go.
 
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